WWE Discussion thread- Raw/SD/PPV

[jrg1128]

Originally Posted by Jericho

Becky unable to wrestle at Survivor Series sucks, but doing Charlotte/Ronda now is a mistake to me. As much as I like Becky, Charlotte/Ronda is the biggest womens match they have for Mania.

Bryan winning the title was unexpected, but Im happy about it, especially a heel turn. Pissed off heel Bryan is gold, IF they actually book him right (Which is unlikely, but I can dream). I would have preferred he win it at Mania but a surprise win works too. Guess they had to turn someone to take the title off AJ, because other than Orton or Joe, SD has no other main event heels. So Miz fans can now see how WWE views him, mid card guy as Ive always said. Thrilled we arent getting another disastrous Miz reign. Now they could have AJ win the Rumble and choose to face Lesnar at Mania and take the Universal Title off him and be the new main focus of Raw. Or just have a rematch with Bryan. Both work.

What a joke. The Miz is the best title holder WWE has. He consistently draws heat, is more than competent in the ring, best in WWE on the mic. He's the only one that has even kept a championship belt relevant in the past 2 years. But please, let's have a reign by the overrated indy darling Daniel Bryan. Maybe next they will put the Smackdown women's belt on Brie while they are at it.

[hreed2]

Originally Posted by jrg1128

What a joke. The Miz is the best title holder WWE has. He consistently draws heat, is more than competent in the ring, best in WWE on the mic. He's the only one that has even kept a championship belt relevant in the past 2 years. But please, let's have a reign by the overrated indy darling Daniel Bryan. Maybe next they will put the Smackdown women's belt on Brie while they are at it.

Yeah he hates Miz for whatever reason. There's no question that The Miz is the # 1 heel in WWE right now. The main consistently generates incredible heat, makes any belt he has feels important, is AMAZING on the mic and knows how to tell a story in the ring. I know it would never happen but if we get to see a full on heel Bryan it would be interested to see what him and Miz could do if they paired up.

Also, I don't see how Bryan winning the title shows how the WWE "really" feels about the Miz at all. By all accounts he's a favorite in the locker room and by Vince due to his commitment to improving, his incredible mic work, ring work and the fact that he's team WWE 24/7 and will do anything for the company be it interviews, charity work, a signing apperance, radio and hell they even gave him his own show.

[cinnakaok]

i think they might use Becky not being able to go and have to pick a replacement as a way to start building to the 4 on 4 horsewomen match.

[packman80]

Originally Posted by hreed2

Yeah he hates Miz for whatever reason. There's no question that The Miz is the # 1 heel in WWE right now. The main consistently generates incredible heat, makes any belt he has feels important, is AMAZING on the mic and knows how to tell a story in the ring. I know it would never happen but if we get to see a full on heel Bryan it would be interested to see what him and Miz could do if they paired up.

Also, I don't see how Bryan winning the title shows how the WWE "really" feels about the Miz at all. By all accounts he's a favorite in the locker room and by Vince due to his commitment to improving, his incredible mic work, ring work and the fact that he's team WWE 24/7 and will do anything for the company be it interviews, charity work, a signing apperance, radio and hell they even gave him his own show.

Well if they are turning Bryan heel either means months of Bryan & Styles feud which I can see likely or a face turn for Miz who would compete for title which I see not happening. Which means Miz stays as a undercard joke on the blue brand. He would have made a better heel champ than the goat faced vegan who sucks as a heel.

[Hardcore]

Miz is the worst thing that ever happened to the WWE..
because he cant make or refuses to make other wrestlers look good..
so most of them look horrible and he is a big reason why..

After last night I am done with the WWE..
what an absolute joke and total waste of time.
went to a ROH show here in Toronto on the weekend -- and they all work together to make a better show for the audience inside and outside the ring.
too many clowns who only care about themselves in WWE and nothing but poor storylines that go nowhere week after week after week..
most of the Raw roster should be dropped - they have a lot in NXT that would make for a much better show.

Interesting story to note..
Ric Flair was up in Canada over the weekend to actually promote the Hamilton Tiger Cats football team.
He was in the locker room before the game and out shakin it up with the cheerleaders and even strutted around afterward.

https://www.cfl.ca/2018/11/11/ric-fl...hortons-field/


many people say -- does he need the money?
Its not that..
this is the truth..
back in the mid 1970s - Flair was wrestling in the NWA Mid Atlantic area - which took him only to NC, SC and VA and around that tristate area for the most part...
not much outside of that area .. but they did 15-20 shows a month in that area..
there was no demand for them to wrestle anywhere else.. once or twice to FL and TX for shows with other companies..
Then in summer of 1978 - a TV station out of Hamilton ON Canada - CHCH Channel 11 - started carrying the matches from the NWA every Saturday at 1 pm..
I watched them all as a kid... it was all we talked about the next week at school..
then the matches happened where Ric Flair made Ricky Steamboat a star..
Flair destroyed Steamboat's face and then next week Steamboat ripped off Flair's expensive suit in front of his female entourage.. and it got so much better from there..
after just a couple of months of shows on Channel 11 - they came up from the tristate area for one show at the Toronto's Maple Leaf Gardens... and after that they came up every month - if not sometimes twice a month..
so the schedule became tristate area and up to Toronto once or twice a month..
and with that Flair became a huge superstar as the Toronto shows were always complete sellouts and that lead to a 1979 showdown between Flair and Bob Backlund who was in the other Wrestling league that was on another channel...
shortly thereafter.. the WWF became born and wrestling popularity for me exploded after that..
Flair remembers that the little TV station from Hamilton made his career start to take off at the biggest shows in Toronto and even some shows in the TV studio in Hamilton for CHCH.
and thats why he always remembers Hamilton and Toronto help to make him the star he became..
Thats why he will come to Hamilton and cheer on their team..
There is a special feeling for Ric Flair going back to those really early days and matches in Hamilton and Toronto.

check out this site from 1970s and onward - timeline -year by year - you will see Flair's matches shift from NC SC and VA - to Oct 1978 - one match a month in Toronto..... then onwards through the years.
https://ricflairmatchhistory.weebly.com/

I have met Ric Flair once and I shook his hand and said Thank-You
if I ever meet him again - i will again thank him for how he made me a wrestling fan and how he always cared to make other wrestlers better to make the sport more popular.
to be the man... you need to beat the man...
no one will EVER be better than Ric Flair
woooooooooo!

[packman80]

Originally Posted by Hardcore

Miz is the worst thing that ever happened to the WWE..
because he cant make or refuses to make other wrestlers look good..
so most of them look horrible and he is a big reason why..

LOL so not true Look at how many guys Miz has worked with who after he got done with them they became nothing and were let go by the company but while working with him were red hot with fans. Plus look one of Styles first feuds was with Miz. Miz is not scared to put anyone over to help them get over. This was a stupid comment to make to say Miz can't make others look good.

[hreed2]

Originally Posted by packman80

Well if they are turning Bryan heel either means months of Bryan & Styles feud which I can see likely or a face turn for Miz who would compete for title which I see not happening. Which means Miz stays as a undercard joke on the blue brand. He would have made a better heel champ than the goat faced vegan who sucks as a heel.

As much as I love the Miz I REALLY hope he never turns face. I just don't ever see that working. You're probably right about a LONG Bryan vs Styles feud though. I just can't picture any reason why Bryan vs Miz wouldn't be a big time Wrestlemania match but considering it's the WWE the obvious fantastic feud/match probably just won't happen.

[Hardcore]

Originally Posted by packman80

LOL so not true Look at how many guys Miz has worked with who after he got done with them they became nothing and were let go by the company but while working with him were red hot with fans. Plus look one of Styles first feuds was with Miz. Miz is not scared to put anyone over to help them get over. This was a stupid comment to make to say Miz can't make others look good.

Listen - that is my opinion - he will always be one of the biggest reasons the WWE is failing right now and always when he is on.
Its not only my opinion -- been watching wrestling for over 40+ years and have a group of over 100+ friends who we go around watching wrestling cards in Canada and all over the states...
not ONE of us care for Miz -- he is by far the worst there has ever been in the WWE.

[Jericho]

Miz's biggest problem is that he hasnt evolved or has very little. His in ring skill isnt great, his promos are all the same, and if he isnt linked to Bryan or have someone with him (Morrison, Riley, Sandow, Maryse) no one really cares. And he elevated no title, that always makes me laugh when ppl say that he has. The IC title was nothing more than a prop with Miz.

[jrg1128]

Originally Posted by Hardcore

Listen - that is my opinion - he will always be one of the biggest reasons the WWE is failing right now and always when he is on.
Its not only my opinion -- been watching wrestling for over 40+ years and have a group of over 100+ friends who we go around watching wrestling cards in Canada and all over the states...
not ONE of us care for Miz -- he is by far the worst there has ever been in the WWE.

Can I join your group of sheep? I must not know how to think for myself. Give me a break with that whole story man. It's fine to have your opinion but you are going a little overboard to prove it.

Miz is the only one to make a title relevant in the recent past. But yeah, he's the reason WWE is failing and the worst there has ever been. Your whole post is a joke.

[packman80]

Originally Posted by Jericho

Miz's biggest problem is that he hasnt evolved or has very little. His in ring skill isnt great, his promos are all the same, and if he isnt linked to Bryan or have someone with him (Morrison, Riley, Sandow, Maryse) no one really cares. And he elevated no title, that always makes me laugh when ppl say that he has. The IC title was nothing more than a prop with Miz.

LOL the IC title was nothing before Miz. Miz made the title great again. But let me guess you think Zigger was a great IC champ.

Also were are Riley and Sandow and Morrison now? Yep no where because without Miz propping them up fans did not give a darn about them. Miz makes others better not the other way around.

People hate Miz because he's not a indie darling.

If Bryan was not a indie darling to the fans with his moronic yes chat he would still be wrestling in a bingo hall.

[hreed2]

Originally Posted by Hardcore

Listen - that is my opinion - he will always be one of the biggest reasons the WWE is failing right now and always when he is on.
Its not only my opinion -- been watching wrestling for over 40+ years and have a group of over 100+ friends who we go around watching wrestling cards in Canada and all over the states...
not ONE of us care for Miz -- he is by far the worst there has ever been in the WWE.

You first say it's your opinion, which is fine. But then you say it's not only your opinion meaning you think it's fact which is very far from the truth. Obviously the Miz isn't everybody's cup of tea but he's definitely one of their top heels. Rolling Stone named him Wrestler of the year, he was ranked top 10 in PWI top 500 twice and was even #1 once.

It just sounds like you prefer Indy wrestling (which he definitely is VERY different from) and that's fine. Personally I'm not a big fan of Indy wrestling unless it's a bit of a super card (All In was amazing for instance but I'm not an RoH, PWG, Evolve, CZW etc. etc. fan in general) but to say the Miz is what's wrong with WWE is just absurd because you and your friends don't like him.

To touch upon what somebody else said, he absolutely raised the intercontinental title while he held it, the problem was that everybody after him went back to the norm. When he was champion he made you believe that he was honored to have that title and that it was important and respected and that he would do whatever it takes to keep. When anybody else has it, they just wear it around their waist or over their shoulder and it's never even mentioned or acknowledged.

[Gurds]

https://twitter.com/BeckyLynchWWE/st...53374443978752

[jrg1128]

Originally Posted by Gurds

https://twitter.com/BeckyLynchWWE/st...53374443978752

I missed Raw and Smackdown this week, so not sure what's going on here. Is this kayfabe or did something actually happen?

[mnvikingstwins]

Originally Posted by jrg1128

I missed Raw and Smackdown this week, so not sure what's going on here. Is this kayfabe or did something actually happen?

They did another under siege where Becky had disarmer on Ronda in the back and then came out to the ring and other SD girls attacked Raw team from behind. Nia gave her a legitimate closed fist punch to the face that broke her nose and gave her a concussion. Looked pretty badass since Becky smeared blood over her own face. Lana and Dana also were fighting in the front and Lana flinched her shoulder to pretend to throw a punch. Becky replaced by Charlotte at SS

[LC2nine10]

Originally Posted by jrg1128

I missed Raw and Smackdown this week, so not sure what's going on here. Is this kayfabe or did something actually happen?

Little of both.
They raided. Nia and Becky went at it. Becky had bloody nose, looked AWESOME, but also a concusion sand out next PPV.

Some really cool pics of Becky out thwre, blood streami n arms raised. Totally needs to be a topps now (i think thats what theyre called) card.

[duwal]

Originally Posted by LC2nine10

Little of both.
They raided. Nia and Becky went at it. Becky had bloody nose, looked AWESOME, but also a concusion sand out next PPV.

Some really cool pics of Becky out thwre, blood streami n arms raised. Totally needs to be a topps now (i think thats what theyre called) card.

you could see when she was in the ring for Smackdown that the main damage was more around her eye. The blood was coming from a couple cuts right near her eye

[mnvikingstwins]

Ronnie needs to give up, she's gonna just keep digging a hole

Ronnie, TL/DR. When I got my face broke I got up, owned you THEN showed up the next day looking to fight some more. When you got your face broke you hid for a year under your blankie. Your mind is as weak as your jaw, & I’m going to move heaven & earth to come destroy them both.

https://twitter.com/BeckyLynchWWE/st...99029325778944

[mnvikingstwins]

Ronda was a late addition after I filled rest of wall, gotta keep the two separated now

[notoriousrmb]

Originally Posted by Hardcore

Listen - that is my opinion - he will always be one of the biggest reasons the WWE is failing right now and always when he is on.
Its not only my opinion -- been watching wrestling for over 40+ years and have a group of over 100+ friends who we go around watching wrestling cards in Canada and all over the states...
not ONE of us care for Miz -- he is by far the worst there has ever been in the WWE.

Well me and my group of 200 friends think Miz is great, so there's that. Looks like you are outnumbered.

[jrg1128]

Originally Posted by notoriousrmb

Well me and my group of 200 friends think Miz is great, so there's that. Looks like you are outnumbered.

Lmao LOVE IT!!!

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by Jericho

Miz's biggest problem is that he hasnt evolved or has very little. His in ring skill isnt great, his promos are all the same, and if he isnt linked to Bryan or have someone with him (Morrison, Riley, Sandow, Maryse) no one really cares. And he elevated no title, that always makes me laugh when ppl say that he has. The IC title was nothing more than a prop with Miz.

He hasn't evolved? LMAO.

[JustinVerlander07]

Like the DBry heel turn. I suspect though he'll just get cheered like Lynch. Bryan had no character, and that was getting stale, so the change is good. What I suspect is like all heels, he'll get a character, it'll get over, and they'll try to force feed him as a heel instead of just a ruthless face (like Lynch)

[storm]

Originally Posted by Hardcore

Miz is the worst thing that ever happened to the WWE..
because he cant make or refuses to make other wrestlers look good..
so most of them look horrible and he is a big reason why..

After last night I am done with the WWE..
what an absolute joke and total waste of time.
went to a ROH show here in Toronto on the weekend -- and they all work together to make a better show for the audience inside and outside the ring.
too many clowns who only care about themselves in WWE and nothing but poor storylines that go nowhere week after week after week..
most of the Raw roster should be dropped - they have a lot in NXT that would make for a much better show.

Interesting story to note..
Ric Flair was up in Canada over the weekend to actually promote the Hamilton Tiger Cats football team.
He was in the locker room before the game and out shakin it up with the cheerleaders and even strutted around afterward.

https://www.cfl.ca/2018/11/11/ric-fl...hortons-field/


many people say -- does he need the money?
Its not that..
this is the truth..
back in the mid 1970s - Flair was wrestling in the NWA Mid Atlantic area - which took him only to NC, SC and VA and around that tristate area for the most part...
not much outside of that area .. but they did 15-20 shows a month in that area..
there was no demand for them to wrestle anywhere else.. once or twice to FL and TX for shows with other companies..
Then in summer of 1978 - a TV station out of Hamilton ON Canada - CHCH Channel 11 - started carrying the matches from the NWA every Saturday at 1 pm..
I watched them all as a kid... it was all we talked about the next week at school..
then the matches happened where Ric Flair made Ricky Steamboat a star..
Flair destroyed Steamboat's face and then next week Steamboat ripped off Flair's expensive suit in front of his female entourage.. and it got so much better from there..
after just a couple of months of shows on Channel 11 - they came up from the tristate area for one show at the Toronto's Maple Leaf Gardens... and after that they came up every month - if not sometimes twice a month..
so the schedule became tristate area and up to Toronto once or twice a month..
and with that Flair became a huge superstar as the Toronto shows were always complete sellouts and that lead to a 1979 showdown between Flair and Bob Backlund who was in the other Wrestling league that was on another channel...
shortly thereafter.. the WWF became born and wrestling popularity for me exploded after that..
Flair remembers that the little TV station from Hamilton made his career start to take off at the biggest shows in Toronto and even some shows in the TV studio in Hamilton for CHCH.
and thats why he always remembers Hamilton and Toronto help to make him the star he became..
Thats why he will come to Hamilton and cheer on their team..
There is a special feeling for Ric Flair going back to those really early days and matches in Hamilton and Toronto.

check out this site from 1970s and onward - timeline -year by year - you will see Flair's matches shift from NC SC and VA - to Oct 1978 - one match a month in Toronto..... then onwards through the years.
https://ricflairmatchhistory.weebly.com/

I have met Ric Flair once and I shook his hand and said Thank-You
if I ever meet him again - i will again thank him for how he made me a wrestling fan and how he always cared to make other wrestlers better to make the sport more popular.
to be the man... you need to beat the man...
no one will EVER be better than Ric Flair
woooooooooo!

Personally, I don't like The Miz (or Bryan). But the worst thing to ever happen to WWE ?

He works his tail off every time out, which is more than we can say about many others right now. He feeds the crowd, maybe more with his mouth, than with his in ring stuff. But isn't that why entertainment is listed right there in the company name? I would love to see him get a little bit of a heel title run. Next year give me a heel Miz vs heel Ambrose champ vs champ match at SS and im happy (The heel I love to hate, vs my favorite ).

[Bulls90s]

Originally Posted by duwal

you could see when she was in the ring for Smackdown that the main damage was more around her eye. The blood was coming from a couple cuts right near her eye

Not true at all...all of the blood came from her nose...Im sure the black eye was fake as hell.

Miz is boring as hell. He try so hard to look cool..his robe is pathetic,what a douchebag. I go take a dump when he is on tv.