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Old 08-17-2020, 02:52 PM   #34351
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The real heart of the problem for Trump is that there were 3 million more people that didn't want him to be President than those who did, and yet, from day one, he's governed not as though he lost by 3 million votes, but instead that he won by 30 million with a sweeping mandate. Instead of working to earn the support of those who doubted him, he's demonized any opposition at every turn. To see him and his supporters now crying about the harsh treatment he's earned in return is pathetic, but also predictable. No one has ever failed upward quite like this man has.
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The real heart of the problem for Trump is that there were 3 million more people that didn't want him to be President than those who did, and yet, from day one, he's governed not as though he lost by 3 million votes, but instead that he won by 30 million with a sweeping mandate. Instead of working to earn the support of those who doubted him, he's demonized any opposition at every turn. To see him and his supporters now crying about the harsh treatment he's earned in return is pathetic, but also predictable. No one has ever failed upward quite like this man has.
Aren't your arms tired yet, human pedestals?
The real "real heart of the problem" is you never got over the fact that he won.
Aren't your eyes tired yet, from crying?

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What'd she win, a participation trophy?
A baseball team can outhit their opponent, but if the opponent scores more runs those extra hits don't mean squat.
I'm not sure why you keep beating that drum.
Surely, you mean trashcan lid?
Anyway, I answered above as to why the raw vote total did matter, as much as many try to say it did not.
The President's job is to unite the country, or to at least try.

But for you, a supporter of a team known to have cheated its way to success, use a baseball metaphor to defend Trump, another known and constant cheater, is particularly rich.

Glad to see you're feeling like yourself again after a rough weekend.
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Surely, you mean trashcan lid?
Anyway, I answered above as to why the raw vote total did matter, as much as many try to say it did not.
The President's job is to unite the country, or to at least try.

But for you, a supporter of a team known to have cheated its way to success, use a baseball metaphor to defend Trump, another known and constant cheater, is particularly rich.

Glad to see you're feeling like yourself again after a rough weekend.
You need new material. same tired jokes.
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You need new material. same tired jokes.
Doesn't stop you from stealing them, does it, Calvin n' Hobbes?
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Doesn't stop you from stealing them, does it, Calvin n' Hobbes?
your bad jokes?
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They may not be rioting and violence, but every one of those things mentioned still do/did real damage.

And the Republican overlords did not lose. They merely shifted their support to Trump. Otherwise, people like McConnell wouldn't still be in office.
Make no mistake, the Republican overlords lost in a big way. President Trump is the last person they wanted to win. The establishment lost but you are correct that they are not powerless. McConnell is swampy as they get. I wish I could snap my fingers and he would be gone but unfortunately it does not work that way.
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What has the President done that justifies rioting, violence and destruction?
Youre arguing that one side was morally superior to the other, I'm trying to gather how similar the weights of oppression are.
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If you get physical with anyone, or encourage violence against someone you don't agree with politically, you're a loser. In my area, I've seen stories of people who display both Trump and Biden signs having their property destroyed.
I wasn't aware that it was happening to the left as well. Sorry that is the case. Are there instances of physical violence against Biden supporters? Or is that still reserved for Trump supporters?

I don't worry about one on one confrontations, as those are random idiots that can be dealt with. It's the mobs that attack that I am more concerned about.
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Youre arguing that one side was morally superior to the other, I'm trying to gather how similar the weights of oppression are.
There's oppression?
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Is there such a thing as beta rage?

If not I think we have a groundbreaking case here.

Beta rage? Are you calling yourself a beta?
What a confusing day we’re having.

Jdandns calling people “Human pedestals”
Any objective person has to recognize that as a hilarious dig.

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People have died over enforcing mask wearing. Basically a proxy war against Biden's party.
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Surely, you mean trashcan lid?
Anyway, I answered above as to why the raw vote total did matter, as much as many try to say it did not.
The President's job is to unite the country, or to at least try.
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“Elections have consequences” was very uniting, right? The left never complained about President Obama being so divisive. They never complained when he disparaged half the country as clinging to their guns and religion. How was that uniting the country when he shoved Obamacare down our throats?

The real problem with compromising with the left is that as soon as you do it, they start making the next demand. Just look at abortion. We’ve gone from safe and rare to it’s a woman’s right to kill the baby all the way up to the moment of birth.
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Youre arguing that one side was morally superior to the other, I'm trying to gather how similar the weights of oppression are.
Tea Party protesting was morally superior to the Antifa and BLM rioting, looting, violence and destruction.
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I dislike guns as much as the next person but I'll also argue that the real issue that we aren't facing is mental health. Recognition, access, and treatment as well as removing the stigma associated with it. That would solve a lot of the issues I think. Not all of course, but plenty that it'd be worth it. To me, banning guns is like banning drugs. People will always find some way to do what they are trying to do so solving the "why" to me is more important than the "how."
Excellent post.

I love guns and have plenty of them. But mental health is the problem with gun violence in this country. We need to work on that.
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Beta rage? Are you calling yourself a beta?
What a confusing day we’re having.

Jdandns calling people “Human pedestals”
Any objective person has to recognize that as a hilarious dig.
Jojo going deep into second grade with the “I’m rubber you’re glue” defense.

You are the beta Jojo. I know this isn’t the first time in your life you’ve been told that. It’s the only logical explanation when you see the word “cycling”, an aerobic sport and lash out with “rapid rage” an anaerobic booster. Something got triggered, this after scouring the depth of academic psychology I introduce the term “beta rage” and give you a new mascot. The angry betta fish.

It’s sad that everything must be spelled out for you while you play the role of Mr Vague.
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Surely, you mean trashcan lid?
Anyway, I answered above as to why the raw vote total did matter, as much as many try to say it did not.
The President's job is to unite the country, or to at least try.
The president's job is to fight for the platform that got them elected, and govern in a way that gets them or their party reelected.

Trump's done very well on the first point, not so hot on the second.
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He didn't catch her.
She got 3 million more votes than he did.
Since this is a sports message board, I will try to explain it in spots terms for you since you see, confused.

Baseball-you don't win if you have the most hits, you win if you score the most runs.

Football-more yards less points is a recipe for losses.

Hockey-shots on goal? Or actual goals?

Basketball-field goal percentage or most points?

You'll catch on. Maybe.
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The real heart of the problem for Trump is that there were 3 million more people that didn't want him to be President than those who did, and yet, from day one, he's governed not as though he lost by 3 million votes, but instead that he won by 30 million with a sweeping mandate. Instead of working to earn the support of those who doubted him, he's demonized any opposition at every turn. To see him and his supporters now crying about the harsh treatment he's earned in return is pathetic, but also predictable. No one has ever failed upward quite like this man has.
Aren't your arms tired yet, human pedestals?
He has been terrible at this. Although he never could have accomplished it no matter what he did. Even if he spoke like McCain in that video a couple pages back ever single time, nothing would have helped his cause.
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Tea Party protesting was morally superior to the Antifa and BLM rioting, looting, violence and destruction.
Thats not the argument. How similar were the weights of oppression? There's DACA recipients fighting for their literal homes and families.
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Jojo going deep into second grade with the “I’m rubber you’re glue” defense.

You are the beta Jojo. I know this isn’t the first time in your life you’ve been told that. It’s the only logical explanation when you see the word “cycling”, an aerobic sport and lash out with “rapid rage” an anaerobic booster. Something got triggered, this after scouring the depth of academic psychology I introduce the term “beta rage” and give you a new mascot. The angry betta fish.

It’s sad that everything must be spelled out for you while you play the role of Mr Vague.
Literally the first time I've heard that, but I know Trump tries to convince all his minions they are strong Alphas and that the opponents are weak Betas. I'm still baffled that kind of childish psychology works on grown men. Must be a lack of self-confidence growing up.

There are multiple usages of the word cycling Mr. Masters in P.E.
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Since this is a sports message board, I will try to explain it in spots terms for you since you see, confused.

Baseball-you don't win if you have the most hits, you win if you score the most runs.

Football-more yards less points is a recipe for losses.

Hockey-shots on goal? Or actual goals?

Basketball-field goal percentage or most points?

You'll catch on. Maybe.
How do past results help us predict future outcomes? Most would argue there's way better metrics than who scored the most points/goals/runs.
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He has been terrible at this. Although he never could have accomplished it no matter what he did. Even if he spoke like McCain in that video a couple pages back ever single time, nothing would have helped his cause.
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There is a certain amount of liberals that were going to hate him if he pursued the policies that won him the election. Nothing to do about that. It looks like he will get more votes from blacks and Latinos than in 2016, so he is doing something right. Anti-war Americans should support President Trump but they went into hibernation when the Neocons got their hooks into Obama and Biden have mostly disappeared since Trump rejected the Neocons.
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Literally the first time I've heard that, but I know Trump tries to convince all his minions they are strong Alphas and that the opponents are weak Betas. I'm still baffled that kind of childish psychology works on grown men. Must be a lack of self-confidence growing up.

There are multiple usages of the word cycling Mr. Masters in P.E.
I guess cycling and mileage together were too hard a riddle to crack.

Which explains why you continue to infer I’m a Trumper. Given your initial swing and miss on profiling me, I figured you would have reassessed your abilities. Instead you just keep swinging.

Your not an opponent. Simply a nuisance. Our conversations thus far have proven that point very well.

Anyone who is so triggers someone else exercising means “rood rage” did the convincing for me, irrespective of what I am. I don’t know too may Alphas that prefer cycling and yoga over strength training, but to each their own.

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Thats not the argument. How similar were the weights of oppression? There's DACA recipients fighting for their literal homes and families.
Are you arguing that it is morally acceptable for rioting and violence by and for foreigners we won’t give citizenship?
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