LeBron Exquisite /99 - altered & damaged - Page 139

Deadshot · 01-17-2019, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by mrdallas

To me that would support the theory that it has been trimmed. If the centering is now off but the corner and edges are now improved, I would guess that corners and edges would benefit the most from trimming while centering may suffer.

I agree with this but it's not concrete enough for me to comfortably say that a card has been trimmed.

As for new developments, I really don't have any. I presented what I felt were a couple of practical options to move forward and put pressure on BNC to do the right thing with his altered LeBron's.

There seemed to be a lot of outrage from people here in the thread but not a lot of enthusiasm to help do anything about it (to those who did try to help, I appreciate your work). I'm not upset and I'm not here to blame anyone - that's just the way I see it. I'd rather put my efforts into the altered card reference sheet and know that his name will be attached to many of those going forward.

THSN · 01-17-2019, 06:42 PM

I spent the weekend reading this thread and wanted to say thank you to all of you who have worked so diligently to expose those who are doing wrong by collectors. As a hobby store owner, I have been pointing people to this thread and having open and honest discussions with them about their questions and thoughts.

Being a hockey store, that McDavid HG Young Guns makes me a little sick.

shindo03 · 01-17-2019, 07:07 PM

Can mods please sticky this?

ThoseBackPages · 01-19-2019, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by shindo03

Can mods please sticky this?

that is a good idea

ThoseBackPages · 01-20-2019, 11:21 AM

this sold yesterday

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2009-Mike-T....m43663.l10137

KhalDrogo · 01-20-2019, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

this sold yesterday

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2009-Mike-T....m43663.l10137

I went digging on that one before. Could not find the raw copy to reference.

Deadshot · 01-20-2019, 11:42 AM

It's definitely been reslabbed though. Looks like the surface went from a 9.5 to a 10.

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...blue-532328142

ThoseBackPages · 01-21-2019, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Deadshot

It's definitely been reslabbed though. Looks like the surface went from a 9.5 to a 10.

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...blue-532328142

great point!

ThoseBackPages · 01-22-2019, 10:53 AM

Good to see PWCC posting on the boards

minnesotachill · 01-22-2019, 11:14 AM

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...ris-1916333297

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-Chris-...KorD:rk:3

f:0

Would like to get opinions on this one.

The back edges seem to be a bit cleaner on the graded copy.

Posted this on the other thread too. Just thought I would add it here too.

Siberian13 · 01-22-2019, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by minnesotachill

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...ris-1916333297

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-Chris-...KorD:rk:3

f:0

Would like to get opinions on this one.

The back edges seem to be a bit cleaner on the graded copy.

Posted this on the other thread too. Just thought I would add it here too.

This is what shows up on my end.

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Siberian13 · 01-22-2019, 11:18 AM

Links worked from other thread though.

KhalDrogo · 01-22-2019, 11:48 AM

I don’t think the Webber is trimmed. The back right edge gives that appearance, but the glare is covering up some of the edge. Points of reference all check out.

Deadshot · 01-22-2019, 12:10 PM

I'm comparing the two on my phone, but the Webber looks fine to me.

Deadshot · 01-22-2019, 07:48 PM

I just want to say that I'm encouraged that there's the potential for ongoing dialogue (and publicly I might add) with some of the big players in the hobby such as PWCC and PSA. There might be doubts about if this will actually happen or if anything will come of it, but let's stop for a moment and recognize progress for what it is.

Thanks to everyone here that has contributed in some way and kept a level head about things. That includes those of you that might not post in the thread but are having conversations about it at your local card shops and shows.

ninjacookies · 01-22-2019, 08:08 PM

Superb work, indeed.

Has anyone close to Mr. Trim Bitz heard anything from him or his camp? He's obviously still keeping track of what's being said. But I'm wondering what he's (possibly) doing to prepare himself for future backlash at shows, etc.

Jasondr91 · 01-22-2019, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Superb work, indeed.

Has anyone close to Mr. Trim Bitz heard anything from him or his camp? He's obviously still keeping track of what's being said. But I'm wondering what he's (possibly) doing to prepare himself for future backlash at shows, etc.

He will use runners and covers. Kevin Burge did it, Gunther713, and other big names. If the heat is too much, they will have guys working for them, moving and buying for them. Certain big ticket cards will move quietly at shows I’m sure. When the heat is too high for some specific cards for having too much a negative backstory, they won’t move on eBay but in person.

ninjacookies · 01-22-2019, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jasondr91

He will use runners and covers. Kevin Burge did it, Gunther713, and other big names. If the heat is too much, they will have guys working for them, moving and buying for them. Certain big ticket cards will move quietly at shows I’m sure. When the heat is too high for some specific cards for having too much a negative backstory, they won’t move on eBay but in person.

Totally overlooked this. You are correct, sir.

I'm wondering how much of his inventory he's purposely withheld from listing or the public since this debacle unfolded. Now that many of the exposed cards are serial numbered and already have blood on their slabs.

Deadshot · 01-23-2019, 04:43 PM

I don't think it's hurt business all that much. Someone pointed out that there was a big Trout sale not too long ago.

ljandkg · 01-23-2019, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Totally overlooked this. You are correct, sir.

I'm wondering how much of his inventory he's purposely withheld from listing or the public since this debacle unfolded. Now that many of the exposed cards are serial numbered and already have blood on their slabs.

'Blood on their slabs.'

That needs to be the title of the next card collecting book!

gnpaden · 01-23-2019, 06:02 PM

very interesting read. I was referred to this thread after discussing the potential trimming of a higher end MJ that ended last night

ThoseBackPages · 01-24-2019, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by gnpaden

very interesting read. I was referred to this thread after discussing the potential trimming of a higher end MJ that ended last night

i agree.

6celtics33 · 01-24-2019, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by gnpaden

very interesting read. I was referred to this thread after discussing the potential trimming of a higher end MJ that ended last night

Which Mj?

ThoseBackPages · 01-24-2019, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 6celtics33

Which Mj?

great question

WHyFLy · 01-25-2019, 10:42 AM

I’d like for you to all know that Cardboard Chronicle has released a video discussing the thread and altered cards. Specific examples have been mentioned and he did reference all those to read and be informed. Excellent watch and will definitely boost awareness

01-17-2019, 06:42 PM	#3452
THSN Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Barrie, ON Posts: 387 DougLaurieSports DougLaurieSports	I spent the weekend reading this thread and wanted to say thank you to all of you who have worked so diligently to expose those who are doing wrong by collectors. As a hobby store owner, I have been pointing people to this thread and having open and honest discussions with them about their questions and thoughts. Being a hockey store, that McDavid HG Young Guns makes me a little sick. __________________ Try me, I'm liable to buy anything!

01-20-2019, 11:21 AM	#3455
ThoseBackPages Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 89,537 ThoseBackPages	this sold yesterday https://www.ebay.com/itm/2009-Mike-T....m43663.l10137 __________________ Pumpers Paradise #YouCryIBuy Four things that we cannot change each others minds about: Politics, Religion, Third Party Grading, and 2021 Bowman's Best Rookie Cards

01-20-2019, 11:42 AM	#3457
Deadshot Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 7,694	It's definitely been reslabbed though. Looks like the surface went from a 9.5 to a 10. https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...blue-532328142 __________________ He said he name was “E”, so I introduced myself as “G”...The license plate said “IMNBITZ” or “IMNBISZ” or something. - G YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPuD3WYJ0rkpLqDdyavC2WA

01-22-2019, 10:53 AM	#3459
ThoseBackPages Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 89,537 ThoseBackPages	Good to see PWCC posting on the boards __________________ Pumpers Paradise #YouCryIBuy Four things that we cannot change each others minds about: Politics, Religion, Third Party Grading, and 2021 Bowman's Best Rookie Cards

01-22-2019, 11:14 AM	#3460
minnesotachill Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 3,884	https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...ris-1916333297 https://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-Chris-...KorD:rk:3f:0 Would like to get opinions on this one. The back edges seem to be a bit cleaner on the graded copy. Posted this on the other thread too. Just thought I would add it here too. Last edited by minnesotachill; 01-22-2019 at 11:21 AM.

01-17-2019, 07:07 PM	#3453
shindo03 Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 2,092	Can mods please sticky this?

01-22-2019, 11:18 AM	#3462
Siberian13 Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 76,944 shiller13	Links worked from other thread though.

01-22-2019, 11:48 AM	#3463
KhalDrogo Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 41,111	I don’t think the Webber is trimmed. The back right edge gives that appearance, but the glare is covering up some of the edge. Points of reference all check out.

01-22-2019, 12:10 PM	#3464
Deadshot Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 7,694	I'm comparing the two on my phone, but the Webber looks fine to me. __________________ He said he name was “E”, so I introduced myself as “G”...The license plate said “IMNBITZ” or “IMNBISZ” or something. - G YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPuD3WYJ0rkpLqDdyavC2WA

01-22-2019, 07:48 PM	#3465
Deadshot Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 7,694	I just want to say that I'm encouraged that there's the potential for ongoing dialogue (and publicly I might add) with some of the big players in the hobby such as PWCC and PSA. There might be doubts about if this will actually happen or if anything will come of it, but let's stop for a moment and recognize progress for what it is. Thanks to everyone here that has contributed in some way and kept a level head about things. That includes those of you that might not post in the thread but are having conversations about it at your local card shops and shows. __________________ He said he name was “E”, so I introduced myself as “G”...The license plate said “IMNBITZ” or “IMNBISZ” or something. - G YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPuD3WYJ0rkpLqDdyavC2WA

01-22-2019, 08:08 PM	#3466
ninjacookies Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: All the girls see the (boi)/ Look at his flips / Look at his kards / All they say is (oh boi). Posts: 56,612	Superb work, indeed. Has anyone close to Mr. Trim Bitz heard anything from him or his camp? He's obviously still keeping track of what's being said. But I'm wondering what he's (possibly) doing to prepare himself for future backlash at shows, etc.

01-23-2019, 04:43 PM	#3469
Deadshot Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 7,694	I don't think it's hurt business all that much. Someone pointed out that there was a big Trout sale not too long ago. __________________ He said he name was “E”, so I introduced myself as “G”...The license plate said “IMNBITZ” or “IMNBISZ” or something. - G YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPuD3WYJ0rkpLqDdyavC2WA

01-23-2019, 06:02 PM	#3471
gnpaden Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Louisville, Kentucky Posts: 1,043 coachcal12	very interesting read. I was referred to this thread after discussing the potential trimming of a higher end MJ that ended last night __________________ I collect MJ, Duncan and vintage baseball! Building 1955 and 1958 Topps Baseball as now. Instagram: GPCards24

01-25-2019, 10:42 AM	#3475
WHyFLy Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 4,028 youeyscollectibles youeyscollectibles	I’d like for you to all know that Cardboard Chronicle has released a video discussing the thread and altered cards. Specific examples have been mentioned and he did reference all those to read and be informed. Excellent watch and will definitely boost awareness __________________ "Risk Something Or Forever Sit With Your Dreams" - Herb Brooks Always Buying! Selling! Trading! Instagram: YoueysCollectibles