The 2017 Baseball Wax Price Jumping Thread

[babybull]

Originally Posted by pwrslide2

Have you read any of the thread?

What can you deduce from the comments?

How do you feel about monopolies?

How do you feel about a monopoly inflating autograph production numbers year after year while it's been know these are the most coveted cards in the sets and are essentially what brings in the buyers, speculators, gamblers, flippers?

What do you think about about the number of different Rookie cards you can get of the same person in each set?

What has been done correctly within the hobby?

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To us, it's a hobby, I get it. To Topps Company it's a business, in business, to maximize profits. I get that too. The demand is high for Topps products and that drives pricing...as it should. Econ 101. If customers stop buying, then Topps, as a for profit business, has to make necessary adjustments.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by babybull

To us, it's a hobby, I get it. To Topps Company it's a business, in business, to maximize profits. I get that too. The demand is high for Topps products and that drives pricing...as it should. Econ 101. If customers stop buying, then Topps, as a for profit business, has to make necessary adjustments.

True.

But the problem is that by creating products designed primarily to cater to case-breakers, Topps is slowly alienating many of its long-term customers.

Rippers & flippers eventually get bored/tired and move on to something else once the profits get harder to come by. Collectors don't.

As I've said before, Topps needs to segment its product lineup...i.e. create different types of products to appeal to different types of collectors.
But instead they are making every single product into a chase for hot rookies, expensive autos, and low-numbered parallels, thereby driving away the segment of their collectors that doesn't care about any of those things.

[mma138]

I want to know why anyone would pay 2,000 for a case of heritage ? the possibility of a judge auto ? what are the chances of even getting one ? 2,000 for a case of heritage is just plain crazy ! who the hell is paying these crazy prices ???

[chezball]

Originally Posted by mma138

I want to know why anyone would pay 2,000 for a case of heritage ? the possibility of a judge auto ? what are the chances of even getting one ? 2,000 for a case of heritage is just plain crazy ! who the hell is paying these crazy prices ???

[hornedfrog1985]

Ive been buying singles of cards i actually want lol. People busting packs hoping for judges at these prices... i can see a pack here and there though.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by mfw13

True.

But the problem is that by creating products designed primarily to cater to case-breakers, Topps is slowly alienating many of its long-term customers.

Rippers & flippers eventually get bored/tired and move on to something else once the profits get harder to come by. Collectors don't.

As I've said before, Topps needs to segment its product lineup...i.e. create different types of products to appeal to different types of collectors.
But instead they are making every single product into a chase for hot rookies, expensive autos, and low-numbered parallels, thereby driving away the segment of their collectors that doesn't care about any of those things.

What exactly do you want? They make products of all price ranges from super cheap to high end, they have retro, they have set builder products, they have fancy high tech cards. You make it sound like if a product has a hot rookie auto on the checklist that the product isn't worth buying.

Oh, and once again, the market sets these high prices, not Topps. When will people get that through their heads?

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by pwrslide2

Have you read any of the thread?

What can you deduce from the comments?

How do you feel about monopolies?

How do you feel about a monopoly inflating autograph production numbers year after year while it's been know these are the most coveted cards in the sets and are essentially what brings in the buyers, speculators, gamblers, flippers?

What do you think about about the number of different Rookie cards you can get of the same person in each set?

What has been done correctly within the hobby?

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You said you're just getting back into the hobby and you've already figured it all out. Wow. Impressive given your small eBay sampling and recent join date on here.

[tkraft24]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

What exactly do you want? They make products of all price ranges from super cheap to high end, they have retro, they have set builder products, they have fancy high tech cards. You make it sound like if a product has a hot rookie auto on the checklist that the product isn't worth buying.

Oh, and once again, the market sets these high prices, not Topps. When will people get that through their heads?

Yup, even if the market is being manipulated to raise prices: buy what you like that's priced reasonably, don't buy what's priced unreasonably. Every consumer has that choice to make. If other people want to piss their money away on inflated wax, by all means.

[pwrslide2]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

You said you're just getting back into the hobby and you've already figured it all out. Wow. Impressive given your small eBay sampling and recent join date on here.

It very easy to see the current state of the market. I've read a lot before joining this forum and talked in person to a few card shop owners. I'm also a Manufacturing Engineer that gets paid to analyze all sorts of things, notice risks, behavioral and organizational issues. Not to mention, relied upon to solve the problems as well.

It's easy to say that Topps is just giving us what we want as we are ordering and buying it.

If they just stayed constant from here on out, I don't see it being a good thing for collectors that like to open packs.

Topps will continue to test the ceiling for production numbers for a while. In this type of situation, corporations tend to react slow and won't change untill something seriosuly goes wrong. The results should be fun!.. .. . . . .. . .

It looks like one company already started forging signatures to keep up with demand.

Will we start seeing lawsuits over signature cards?

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[mfw13]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

What exactly do you want? They make products of all price ranges from super cheap to high end, they have retro, they have set builder products, they have fancy high tech cards. You make it sound like if a product has a hot rookie auto on the checklist that the product isn't worth buying.

Oh, and once again, the market sets these high prices, not Topps. When will people get that through their heads?

What I want is two things:

#1 - more low-end products (i.e. <$50/box), to the point that they represent at least 25% of Topps product lineup

#2 - for Topps to stop stuffing mid-level products like Archives & Heritage with rookies, thus causing aftermarket prices to rise to ridiculous levels.

As I pointed out on another thread, the reason Topps Heritage is now $200/box instead of it's normal $60-70/box is because Topps stuffed the product with rookies and rookie autos (Benintendi, Swanson, Judge, Bregman, Fulmer, DeLeon, Renfroe, Jake Thompson, Dahl, Giolito, Glasnow, & Moncada), as well as hot 2nd year players (Correa, Seager, Sano, Lindor, Bryant, Story).

Compare that to the 2015 Topps Heritage checklist (just two years ago)...only six active players TOTAL, and only three rookies (Betances, Castillo, Baez).

So yes, the market sets the prices....but the prices set by the market are a function of how Topps structures the products and who they put in the checklist. Take all the rookies and rookie autos out of Heritage, and it's back to being a <$100/box product again.

Topps needs to segment.....make some of their products all about rookies....but don't but rookies in every single product, and certainly not in the retro products like Heritage, Archives, GQ, and Ginter.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by tkraft24

Yup, even if the market is being manipulated to raise prices: buy what you like that's priced reasonably, don't buy what's priced unreasonably. Every consumer has that choice to make. If other people want to piss their money away on inflated wax, by all means.

There are no products except for maybe Bunt, Opening Day & Flagship which are priced reasonably. That's out of about 30 products that Topps releases each year....

[pwrslide2]

How about Bowman Draft and Prospects watering down 1st year cards and over producing 2nd, 3rd and 4th year cards?

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[CoolG]

Topps has 2017 Bowman blasters listed on their website still in stock for $19.99

[NickM]

Originally Posted by mfw13

What I want is two things:

#1 - more low-end products (i.e. <$50/box), to the point that they represent at least 25% of Topps product lineup

#2 - for Topps to stop stuffing mid-level products like Archives & Heritage with rookies, thus causing aftermarket prices to rise to ridiculous levels.

As I pointed out on another thread, the reason Topps Heritage is now $200/box instead of it's normal $60-70/box is because Topps stuffed the product with rookies and rookie autos (Benintendi, Swanson, Judge, Bregman, Fulmer, DeLeon, Renfroe, Jake Thompson, Dahl, Giolito, Glasnow, & Moncada), as well as hot 2nd year players (Correa, Seager, Sano, Lindor, Bryant, Story).

Compare that to the 2015 Topps Heritage checklist (just two years ago)...only six active players TOTAL, and only three rookies (Betances, Castillo, Baez).

So yes, the market sets the prices....but the prices set by the market are a function of how Topps structures the products and who they put in the checklist. Take all the rookies and rookie autos out of Heritage, and it's back to being a <$100/box product again.

Topps needs to segment.....make some of their products all about rookies....but don't but rookies in every single product, and certainly not in the retro products like Heritage, Archives, GQ, and Ginter.

How dare Topps put in cards that other people want, and are willing to pay lots of money for, but you don't.

[HadWayTooMuch]

Originally Posted by pwrslide2

It very easy to see the current state of the market. I've read a lot before joining this forum and talked in person to a few card shop owners. I'm also a Manufacturing Engineer that gets paid to analyze all sorts of things, notice risks, behavioral and organizational issues. Not to mention, relied upon to solve the problems as well.

It's easy to say that Topps is just giving us what we want as we are ordering and buying it.

If they just stayed constant from here on out, I don't see it being a good thing for collectors that like to open packs.

Topps will continue to test the ceiling for production numbers for a while. In this type of situation, corporations tend to react slow and won't change untill something seriosuly goes wrong. The results should be fun!.. .. . . . .. . .

It looks like one company already started forging signatures to keep up with demand.

Will we start seeing lawsuits over signature cards?

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I don't see anyone breaking down the door to buy Opening Day at less than $30 a box. Why? No autos and such in it.

You unfortunately sound like a minority in what you want.

[tkraft24]

Originally Posted by mfw13

There are no products except for maybe Bunt, Opening Day & Flagship which are priced reasonably. That's out of about 30 products that Topps releases each year....

Retail is there, sorry if you don't like the format but that's how things have evolved. The option is available.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by mfw13

Compare that to the 2015 Topps Heritage checklist (just two years ago)...only six active players TOTAL, and only three rookies (Betances, Castillo, Baez).

So you want to go back to the days of cracking a Jim Gentile or Greg Bollo autograph?

[ShtHairMcGee]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

So you want to go back to the days of cracking a Jim Gentile or Greg Bollo autograph?

But it'll keep the price down *sniff sniff*

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[pwrslide2]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0731...2011+Topps+box


2011 topps update box from Topps, for $1,099 per hobby box.

Topps sitting on boxes for the future of 2017?

Or will they just print more?

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[tkraft24]

Originally Posted by pwrslide2

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0731...2011+Topps+box


2011 topps update box from Topps, for $1,099 per hobby box.

Topps sitting on boxes for the future of 2017?

Or will they just print more?

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Whoever buys that is a sucker, the Diamond Giveaway codes have expired!

[pwrslide2]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0727...jTL&ref=plSrch

2017 Topps Archive.

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[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by pwrslide2

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0727...jTL&ref=plSrch

2017 Topps Archive.

Maybe I'm slow, but I don't get the point. A seller has a high price on Archives boxes.....

[pwrslide2]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

Maybe I'm slow, but I don't get the point. A seller has a high price on Archives boxes.....

Sorry, I edited my post. Meant to just be a time stamp for pricing.

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[The Accountant]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

Maybe I'm slow, but I don't get the point. A seller has a high price on Archives boxes.....

topps is the seller

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by The Accountant

topps is the seller

Steel City Collectibles is Topps? I never knew that.