2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[oldgoldy97]

Our 2024 top candidate:



Pros: says nothing controversial
Cons: is dead....which might actually be a pro

[tpeichel34]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

Seriously, what evidence are you referring to when you say President Trump asked the Russians for help winning the election?

[Clark]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

From what I have gathered the campaign was a #@#@#@#@ show. Point out where "the POTUS actively asked a hostile foreign power for help in a US election".

[Jgil316]

Originally Posted by Clark

From what I have gathered the campaign was a #@#@#@#@ show. Point out where "the POTUS actively asked a hostile foreign power for help in a US election".

The Trump Campaign shared internal polling data with Russia - Klenchev (I can't spell it) was linked to Russian dis-information campaigns (doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that the data given to Russia was to target areas / demographics that the Trump campaign wanted / needed.)

Stone was working with Wikilinks on their email drops and he also spoke to Trump about it (which Trump lied about) - When the Access Hollywood piece was about to drop, the campaign told Stone to get the wiki drops - 30 mins later they hit.


Trump knew the efforts of his team in regard to Russian help (dis-information) as well as his teams assistance (and requests) to Wikilinks

[Jgil316]

Now - you are correct that Russia did NOT cast ballots to help Trump - they lead an effort aimed at specific areas of the country and demographics to either keep them from voting or spread dis-information so that Trump was seen as a better alternative to the Democrat on the ticket.

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

Now - you are correct that Russia did NOT cast ballots to help Trump - they lead an effort aimed at specific areas of the country and demographics to either keep them from voting or spread dis-information so that Trump was seen as a better alternative to the Democrat on the ticket.

I’ll admit, I don’t know much about the whole Russia thing but what’s the difference between this and let’s say the MSM purposely giving misinformation besides the fact they aren’t a foreign country? I guess that’s a big difference but I’d argue it’s more on the person to look into this information to see what’s fact and what’s fiction. Again I don’t really follow this but I don’t really understand the argument.

[techtre2003]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

Based on the evidence we have seen - you are correct, the FBI agent changed info in an email (I don't know the exact wording)

Trump told Mueller that he did not recollect talking to Stone about Wikilinks - however, the Intelligence report indicated they indeed did talk about it.

The recent report also said Page was "slippery" and needed to be investigated.


I am going beyond the Steele Dossier as that particular item did not fake the Trump campaigns ties to Russia, their willingness to elicit support from Wikilinks and that dossier did not fake them lying to cover it all up.

There is a reason 6 CLOSE Trump campaign people have been indicted. I get your point about the Dossier - however, doesn't it make you a little uneasy that the POTUS actively asked a hostile foreign power for help in a US election?

Sharing polling information and Russians buying some supposed Facebook ads scares me a lot less than 99% of the media being Dem cheerleaders and fact spinners to make the President look bad. Couple that with the fact that Twitter and Facebook (the 2 largest social media outlets) are constantly shutting down Trump supporter accounts and blaming it on their algorithm and I'm MUCH more concerned about the election interference going on in our own backyard.

[Jgil316]

Originally Posted by mike1498

I’ll admit, I don’t know much about the whole Russia thing but what’s the difference between this and let’s say the MSM purposely giving misinformation besides the fact they aren’t a foreign country? I guess that’s a big difference but I’d argue it’s more on the person to look into this information to see what’s fact and what’s fiction. Again I don’t really follow this but I don’t really understand the argument.

You are absolutely correct!

Now, just as an experiment - go to Facebook (I hate it) and to this very day - you can see people sharing the craziest things!

They see a catchy headline - neglect to see the originating link and share it as truth. It happens daily. Same with Twitter, and the rest of them.

How has Q gone from fringe to mainstream??????? It's remarkable what people "want" to believe..........

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

You are absolutely correct!

Now, just as an experiment - go to Facebook (I hate it) and to this very day - you can see people sharing the craziest things!

They see a catchy headline - neglect to see the originating link and share it as truth. It happens daily. Same with Twitter, and the rest of them.

How has Q gone from fringe to mainstream??????? It's remarkable what people "want" to believe..........

Okay so are you in favor of shutting down all MSM? That’s the only way we could stop misinformation. I think more of the problem is how easy it is to provide misinformation rather than who it benefits.

[Jgil316]

Originally Posted by techtre2003

Sharing polling information and Russians buying some supposed Facebook ads scares me a lot less than 99% of the media being Dem cheerleaders and fact spinners to make the President look bad. Couple that with the fact that Twitter and Facebook (the 2 largest social media outlets) are constantly shutting down Trump supporter accounts and blaming it on their algorithm and I'm MUCH more concerned about the election interference going on in our own backyard.

I agree and disagree with you - Twitter and Facebook remove content and members for violent rhetoric or known false and mis-leading statements.

If Trump (and his supporters) want to rant - they have the first amendment right to do that!!!!!

If hate, violence or lies are being spread - REGARDLESS of who is promoting it - I say remove it.

[Jgil316]

Originally Posted by mike1498

Okay so are you in favor of shutting down all MSM? That’s the only way we could stop misinformation. I think more of the problem is how easy it is to provide misinformation rather than who it benefits.

Honestly - at this point, we should all go in together and make the
"Blowout News Network .... BNN
Or
"Blowout News Channel" - BNC

And have news / opinions based on Right, Left and middle.... We would ALL be millionaires in no time.

Mark my words!

[tpeichel34]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

The Trump Campaign shared internal polling data with Russia - Klenchev (I can't spell it) was linked to Russian dis-information campaigns (doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that the data given to Russia was to target areas / demographics that the Trump campaign wanted / needed.)

Stone was working with Wikilinks on their email drops and he also spoke to Trump about it (which Trump lied about) - When the Access Hollywood piece was about to drop, the campaign told Stone to get the wiki drops - 30 mins later they hit.


Trump knew the efforts of his team in regard to Russian help (dis-information) as well as his teams assistance (and requests) to Wikilinks

You’re talking about Manafort sharing polling data? What evidence do you have that Trump directed it or even knew about it? I’ve never seen a direct connection, just guesses.

I could just as easily guess that Manafort did it for personal gain and when the President found out, fired him.

[techtre2003]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

You are absolutely correct!

Now, just as an experiment - go to Facebook (I hate it) and to this very day - you can see people sharing the craziest things!

They see a catchy headline - neglect to see the originating link and share it as truth. It happens daily. Same with Twitter, and the rest of them.

How has Q gone from fringe to mainstream??????? It's remarkable what people "want" to believe..........

I don't know man. Did you see Halbert's post about Neflix's "Cuties"? Hollywood has some power players and this isn't the first time they've sexualized children. I haven't followed Q myself but the pedo part I hear about has a ring of truth to it.

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by tpeichel34

You’re talking about Manafort sharing polling data? What evidence do you have that Trump directed it or even knew about it? I’ve never seen a direct connection, just guesses.

I could just as easily guess that Manafort did it for personal gain and when the President found out, fired him.

you should know by now, thats the whole shtick. Just make broad assumptions based off loosely strung together nuggets of semi-truths.

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

Honestly - at this point, we should all go in together and make the
"Blowout News Network .... BNN
Or
"Blowout News Channel" - BNC

And have news / opinions based on Right, Left and middle.... We would ALL be millionaires in no time.

Mark my words!

I think you see my point though. All the left does is ***** about Russia but ignores probably the bigger issue which is the American MSM. I don’t know how you solve this though when our first amendment gives us the freedom of speech. I just don’t see how it was legally wrong. Maybe somewhat morally but we allow this in our own backyard and people take CNN and Fox like it’s the Bible. I just don’t see the difference.

[Jgil316]

Originally Posted by techtre2003

I don't know man. Did you see Halbert's post about Neflix's "Cuties"? Hollywood has some power players and this isn't the first time they've sexualized children. I haven't followed Q myself but the pedo part I hear about has a ring of truth to it.

Sexual predictors need to go and it has been established that there are / were some very bad Hollywood people who did horrific things.
We also know Epstein was a POS as well.

As for Q - the Tenet of pedophilia, and just a Democratic thing and Trump is there to root it all out....I find that very difficult to believe (I am not talking about any of the other Q beliefs either - just this one)
The difficulty I have is - it is so ..... far fetched in the scope of what is believed that it (for me) makes it hard to believe. It has nothing to do with Trump personally at all, I just do not believe there is a person or people named Q who goes on fringe websites and sends cryptic messages about Democrats and a huge pedo ring. (again - just speaking to that one topic)

[techtre2003]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

Honestly - at this point, we should all go in together and make the
"Blowout News Network .... BNN
Or
"Blowout News Channel" - BNC

And have news / opinions based on Right, Left and middle.... We would ALL be millionaires in no time.

Mark my words!

Maybe the NWHCA (Newly Organized National Whitehouse Correspondents Association) would accept BNN.

[techtre2003]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

Sexual predictors need to go and it has been established that there are / were some very bad Hollywood people who did horrific things.
We also know Epstein was a POS as well.

As for Q - the Tenet of pedophilia, and just a Democratic thing and Trump is there to root it all out....I find that very difficult to believe (I am not talking about any of the other Q beliefs either - just this one)
The difficulty I have is - it is so ..... far fetched in the scope of what is believed that it (for me) makes it hard to believe. It has nothing to do with Trump personally at all, I just do not believe there is a person or people named Q who goes on fringe websites and sends cryptic messages about Democrats and a huge pedo ring. (again - just speaking to that one topic)

I hear ya. I think Q as a whole is pretty unbelievable too.

[mike1498]

Personally I’d go as far and say trump should’ve said every time CNN provides misinformation on himself, the less he’ll care about the Russian “bots”. Basically it puts our own media on a pedestal and proves that the bigger issue is internally than externally. I’ve never believed that issues can be fixed externally before their fixed internally. It’s why I’m against all these wars we get involved in. I don’t think America has the moral high ground yet to dictate the rest of the world.

[tpeichel34]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

Sexual predictors need to go and it has been established that there are / were some very bad Hollywood people who did horrific things.
We also know Epstein was a POS as well.

As for Q - the Tenet of pedophilia, and just a Democratic thing and Trump is there to root it all out....I find that very difficult to believe (I am not talking about any of the other Q beliefs either - just this one)
The difficulty I have is - it is so ..... far fetched in the scope of what is believed that it (for me) makes it hard to believe. It has nothing to do with Trump personally at all, I just do not believe there is a person or people named Q who goes on fringe websites and sends cryptic messages about Democrats and a huge pedo ring. (again - just speaking to that one topic)

You probably said the exact same thing when the President claimed he was spied on, yet now it has been confirmed.

[techtre2003]

Originally Posted by mike1498

Personally I’d go as far and say trump should’ve said every time CNN provides misinformation on himself will be the less he cares about the Russian “bots”. Basically it puts our own media on a pedestal and proves that the bigger issue is internally than externally. I’ve never believed that issues can be fixed externally before their fixed internally. It’s why I’m against all these wars we get involved in. I don’t think America has the moral high ground yet to dictate the rest of the world.

Agreed!
(Man I wish there was some kind of "like" button here)

[Jgil316]

Originally Posted by mike1498

Personally I’d go as far and say trump should’ve said every time CNN provides misinformation on himself will be the less he cares about the Russian “bots”. Basically it puts our own media on a pedestal and proves that the bigger issue is internally than externally. I’ve never believed that issues can be fixed externally before their fixed internally. It’s why I’m against all these wars we get involved in. I don’t think America has the moral high ground yet to dictate the rest of the world.

Well said - we can't fix a problem until we acknowledge that we have a problem.

I agree CNN/Fox News are the root here (as well as other sites, newspapers, etc)

They all pander to a base and $$ - while dictating a narrative they believe will be accepted by their viewership.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

Honestly - at this point, we should all go in together and make the
"Blowout News Network .... BNN
Or
"Blowout News Channel" - BNC

And have news / opinions based on Right, Left and middle.... We would ALL be millionaires in no time.

Mark my words!

I think this is why podcasting has become so prevalent.

[Jgil316]

Originally Posted by tpeichel34

You probably said the exact same thing when the President claimed he was spied on, yet now it has been confirmed.

I said no such thing.

I will say this again - it is concerning that a presumptive Presidential campaign asks for, actively seeks out the help of a foreign hostile power in a presidential election. This has also been confirmed by a Bi-partisan Intelligence team.

Regardless of Democrat or Republican - we should all be upset this was done.

[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

You are absolutely correct!

Now, just as an experiment - go to Facebook (I hate it) and to this very day - you can see people sharing the craziest things!

They see a catchy headline - neglect to see the originating link and share it as truth. It happens daily. Same with Twitter, and the rest of them.

How has Q gone from fringe to mainstream??????? It's remarkable what people "want" to believe..........

I had relatives post things on Facebook during the 2016 election cycle that I now know originated from Russian. I kept wondering why everything they were sharing had poorly written English. I’m positive none of it changed their minds, but it got them all fired up.