BGS Black Labels, Joe Clemons (eBay ID: wjc75056), and Illegitimate Grading - Page 141

KhalDrogo · 06-21-2019, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by auburn35

The group of Leaf employee accounts keeps growing:
Leaf CEO (Brian Gray) - Leaftradingcards, nogumjustcards and topdollar4autos
Leaf President (Scott Jordan) - stoneagesports
Leaf Sales Manager (Adam Berk) - kingofswing97
Leaf Grading Expert(?) (Joe Clemons) - wjc75056

Salt of the earth right there.

dizzydolse · 06-21-2019, 05:28 PM

This has been a pretty rough month for this hobby. Imagine how long this bs has been going on? They have been scamming and manipulating for years and years. I seriously hope these morons end up in prison.

rcmb3220 · 06-21-2019, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by preakness

Leaf supposedly always sells out

Seems like a lot of product ends up with employees or friends of Leaf

Wouldn't surprise me if the guy who bought the crazy amount of Ali stuff wasn't somehow connected to Leaf / Razor

Friends with benefits

Supposedly. Those Leaf guys are good at creating their own reality.

pspa123 · 06-21-2019, 05:44 PM

As a vintage person new to the shenanigans on this side of the hobby, I understand the allegations against Clemons. Is the allegation against Leaf that it funneled its best product to insiders, thereby deceiving the public about the chances of finding certain cards? If not is there a three sentence version? Thanks if anyone can enlighten.

dizzydolse · 06-21-2019, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by pspa123

As a vintage person new to the shenanigans on this side of the hobby, I understand the allegations against Clemons. Is the allegation against Leaf that it funneled its best product to insiders, thereby deceiving the public about the chances of finding certain cards? If not is there a three sentence version? Thanks if anyone can enlighten.

Yes, exactly. And then consistently lying to the public as they are being caught in their lies.

MoreToppsPlease · 06-21-2019, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by rcmb3220

Supposedly. Those Leaf guys are good at creating their own reality.

Thinking Leaf is the only one managing the perceptions of buyers is completely naive, of course.

preakness · 06-21-2019, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzydolse

This has been a pretty rough month for this hobby. Imagine how long this bs has been going on? They have been scamming and manipulating for years and years. I seriously hope these morons end up in prison.

Plenty Brian G Leaf autograph cards on ebay for you

some with inscriptions such as "Leaf is Lit," "BG for President," "One sexy MOFO," and "I'll take fries with that shake."...……………..only $99 each

Trueblue · 06-21-2019, 06:14 PM

i have never seen anyone step on their own D so many times -

preakness · 06-21-2019, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Trueblue

i have never seen anyone step on their own D so many times -

I'm sure Shawn Kemp did a few times

bigunitcards · 06-21-2019, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by anusinha

Heads up, SSI is buying up tons of stuff on COMC. Not sure which scammer thread to put this in

God that made me laugh. Surprised they haven't all been combined into one and dumped in user feedback like the original SSI debacle.

Asian62150 · 06-21-2019, 06:51 PM

I thought about buying this and donating it to the BODA's office.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-Leaf-L...RqZsV5EJNZu1FQ

preakness · 06-21-2019, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Asian62150

I thought about buying this and donating it to the BODA's office.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-Leaf-L...RqZsV5EJNZu1FQ

eagle -eye Joe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

that is a hilarious find

amk1616 · 06-21-2019, 07:39 PM

Reminder to what BG told me when we were talking about Stoner..

Fyi, he handles ebay distribution for a retail repacker.
Stoner does NOT buy from Leaf.

You will notice these cards are not pack issued.
In most Cases they are made exclusively for the retail repacker. These are not back door cards in any way,shape or form.

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Originally Posted by auburn35

Another day, another Leaf employee is linked to selling product, on the side.

After receiving a tip the other day about Stoneagesports, I decided to take a good look at the account. https://www.ebay.com/str/stoneagesports/
Selling both Leaf and Just Minors products.

The PM, I received was that stoneagesports is listed as being located in Carrollton Texas (home of Leaf) but the mailing address on the item(s) this person received was in Georgia. They took a look at the tracking #, and the package was indeed, shipped from Texas.

Taking a look at the username history, the s.j.sports stood out.

Guess who's initials are SJ and also is the CEO of Just Minors (a business in Georgia)?

New Company name.

Just Memorabilia Inc
Web: www.justminors.com
Name: Scott Jordan
Job Title: Chief Executive Officer

http://www.shopjustminors.com/home.php

Looks like you forgot to check with Scott, to see if he was also trying to dump, some Leaf product on the side.

The group of Leaf employee accounts keeps growing:
Leaf CEO (Brian Gray) - Leaftradingcards, nogumjustcards and topdollar4autos
Leaf President (Scott Jordan) - stoneagesports
Leaf Sales Manager (Adam Berk) - kingofswing97
Leaf Grading Expert(?) (Joe Clemons) - wjc75056

KhalDrogo · 06-21-2019, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Asian62150

I thought about buying this and donating it to the BODA's office.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-Leaf-L...RqZsV5EJNZu1FQ

Nooooooooo!

dizzydolse · 06-21-2019, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by preakness

Plenty Brian G Leaf autograph cards on ebay for you

some with inscriptions such as "Leaf is Lit," "BG for President," "One sexy MOFO," and "I'll take fries with that shake."...……………..only $99 each

Nice, yeah. Possible new direction for the PC.

Briss · 06-21-2019, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Asian62150

I thought about buying this and donating it to the BODA's office.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-Leaf-L...RqZsV5EJNZu1FQ

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Nooooooooo!

MY JAW LITERALLY DROPPED...guess im about to sell all my Leaf Husky collection. They are disgraceful.

TomRacer · 06-21-2019, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Asian62150

I thought about buying this and donating it to the BODA's office.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-Leaf-L...RqZsV5EJNZu1FQ

This card is classic. I had to own it. So I do.

I’ll have it on Thursday. I will scan it and based on this post by superdan:

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Originally Posted by superdan49

I was trying to find the origins of this thread, and it appears this one question by kyaa in the Steven Tormollan thread launched this whole thing:

Incredible.

I would like it if kyaa would use it as his avatar.

I had $40 worth of chuckles when I saw I actually owned it so it is already money well spent.

Thank you BODA for all you are doing.

dizzydolse · 06-21-2019, 09:12 PM

I can't even deal with the card posted above lol. It all makes perfect sense though. The utterly delusional self-image this man has...

*EDIT - HAHA so glad you bought it, Tom!

salthill · 06-21-2019, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TomRacer

This card is classic. I had to own it. So I do.

“Corner dings”. Maybe Joe finally found a card even his super powers couldn’t black label.

KhalDrogo · 06-21-2019, 09:24 PM

Is it inscribed to Joe Clemons?

Maybe he inscribed it for Joe DiMaggio?

How about Joe Biden?

Or Joseph Stalin?

Only Brian Gray can answer the question.

KhalDrogo · 06-21-2019, 09:27 PM

dizzydolse · 06-21-2019, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

What! Hahahaha I thought preakness was kidding!!

mattglet · 06-21-2019, 09:30 PM

Pretty sure Stoner Sports is not the same as Stone Age, right?

mrbasepauly · 06-21-2019, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Come on, these can't be real cards, seriously!?!?

auburn35 · 06-21-2019, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mattglet

Pretty sure Stoner Sports is not the same as Stone Age, right?

I believe they are different but with each having a nearly identical (former) usernames and both in Atlanta, I wouldn't be surprised if they were connected.

Stoneagesports - linked to Leaf president

Stonersports (stoneagecards)

I did reach out to stonersports via their new website certifiedautographs.com (rookiesquantities LLC) and they replied back that they buy product to break, directly from Leaf and had no relationship with stoneagecards.

I questioned those two things via email and they mentioned David Stoner (stonersports) left his business and they took over control of his ebay and website, as it was easier than relisting everything again.
Also clarified that they purchase (exclusive product) from Leaf to sell in a variety of methods.

It's puzzling to say the least.
Of note, the rookiesquantities business links back to NJ.

06-21-2019, 09:24 PM	#3520
KhalDrogo Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 41,125	Is it inscribed to Joe Clemons? Maybe he inscribed it for Joe DiMaggio? How about Joe Biden? Or Joseph Stalin? Only Brian Gray can answer the question. __________________ I love PSA!

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KhalDrogo Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 41,125	__________________ I love PSA!

06-21-2019, 09:30 PM	#3523
mattglet Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 4,339	Pretty sure Stoner Sports is not the same as Stone Age, right? __________________ Creator of ListingAlarm - get instantly notified when a card you're looking for is listed on eBay! https://www.listingalarm.com Collecting Riley Pint - www.RileyPint.com Total owned: 77%, 1/1s: 71

06-21-2019, 05:28 PM	#3502
dizzydolse Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2,937	This has been a pretty rough month for this hobby. Imagine how long this bs has been going on? They have been scamming and manipulating for years and years. I seriously hope these morons end up in prison.

06-21-2019, 05:44 PM	#3504
pspa123 Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 3,717	As a vintage person new to the shenanigans on this side of the hobby, I understand the allegations against Clemons. Is the allegation against Leaf that it funneled its best product to insiders, thereby deceiving the public about the chances of finding certain cards? If not is there a three sentence version? Thanks if anyone can enlighten.

06-21-2019, 06:14 PM	#3508
Trueblue Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: socal Posts: 6,486	i have never seen anyone step on their own D so many times -

06-21-2019, 06:51 PM	#3511
Asian62150 Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 6,339 Asian62150	I thought about buying this and donating it to the BODA's office. https://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-Leaf-L...RqZsV5EJNZu1FQ

06-21-2019, 09:12 PM	#3518
dizzydolse Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2,937	I can't even deal with the card posted above lol. It all makes perfect sense though. The utterly delusional self-image this man has... *EDIT - HAHA so glad you bought it, Tom!