Topps 582 Montgomery Club

[premium1981]

Originally Posted by ianh182

Why do people keep churning out this line?

Its not people, its just him. He is obviously a very unhappy person as it comes out in every single post he makes. He is the type that when given a gold bar would complain about the weight of having to carry it.

[Mandy1320]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

Not overly priced? They are charging $250 a box for a product that costs them dollars to make per box. They charge us more for shipping cost per box than their factory cost per box.

That's almost every desirable product on the planet. Your phone, your car, your house, food, furniture, art. Pennies to manufacture on a large scale but high in value to the consumers. That's just the nature of the game.

To just crap on one thing and indulge in another is bordering hypocrisy.

[Dbacksbaseball]

You guys still responding to the 93 book Mossaholic novel? Stop taking the bait.

[Bob Ross]

I'm excited for another week to go by without my lone Bowman Sapphire box that held as well as 10 charges still taken by Topps for canceled orders.

Good times.

[mikee1186]

UEFA Sapphire Checklist is up

https://www.topps.com/media/pdf/Fina...CLSapphire.pdf

[The Accountant]

Originally Posted by Bob Ross

I'm excited for another week to go by without my lone Bowman Sapphire box that held as well as 10 charges still taken by Topps for canceled orders.

Good times.

Unbelievable man. Shame on topps

[The Accountant]

Originally Posted by mikee1186

UEFA Sapphire Checklist is up

https://www.topps.com/media/pdf/Fina...CLSapphire.pdf

Meh... Legend variations at 1 per box are going to have the same PR as a base card, actually a little higher potentially lol. That's such a gimmick

[mikee1186]

Yeah adding 1 legend variation per box when there are only 5 on the checklist gives essentially no added value. Pretty lame.

[The Accountant]

Originally Posted by mikee1186

Yeah adding 1 legend variation per box when there are only 5 on the checklist gives essentially no added value. Pretty lame.

Yup really lame. Either make a legit checklist of 25 people or insert them 1 in 10 boxes. Not a fan of making it the same PR as base and calling it out as a special variation

[RickeyHenderson]

Seems low for such a huge card right?


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[anusinha]

Just because its 1-7 doesnt mean its the best card of the character. Han Solo 58 is better than Han Solo 4. A Vader portrait card of just himself would be superior to that one.

[brauncj1]

Originally Posted by RickeyHenderson

Seems low for such a huge card right?


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Seems high to me but then I think the prices of these boxes are in an unsustainable bubble. Sometimes I’m wrong, sometimes I’m right… it’s just my opinion.

[Americards]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

Not overly priced? They are charging $250 a box for a product that costs them dollars to make per box. They charge us more for shipping cost per box than their factory cost per box.

Every 32 card no auto Sapphire box has been overly priced for awhile now. It's just hardly anyone cares because of the resale value. If 2021-22 UEFA Sapphire was selling for $500 right now almost no one would care about the price. 2 years ago Bowman Draft Sapphire was $30 a box. Year and a half ago UEFA sapphire $80 a box. GPK Sapphire $50 a box. A year ago F1 Sapphire was $100 a box. You think Topps factory cost has gone up enough to now charge $200 for Bowman Draft, $250 for UEFA and $750 for F1 Sapphire? Obviously not. 32 card no auto Sapphire boxes are the biggest cash cow for Topps more than any other product for any company has been in the history of the sports card industry by a landslide. At least in terms of the percentage over cost and the vast quantities.

I don't have an issue if they make it fair. Charge what Topps deems market price for everything and every box. But they are only doing this on products or boxes the public has access to. They aren't doing it on any products that are mostly sold to their good friends. We also don't even know what they are charging their friends for the products that are priced high. Does anyone think Topps is charging them what they are charging us? I'd be surprised if it was even the usually 80% of cost they are charging.

Assuming there is a Star Wars Sapphire release next year what's the over under box price from Topps? I would bet my house it won't be $200 a box.

what about the license fee that have to pay to get to make the cards?
Does that go into the price of the product?

[Bcr]

Originally Posted by brauncj1

Seems high to me but then I think the prices of these boxes are in an unsustainable bubble. Sometimes I’m wrong, sometimes I’m right… it’s just my opinion.

I think a lot of people are holding to see how high this thing can go and once we show signs of a dip we will see more boxes hit the market and prices will come down a little bit. This will be a very expensive box if people can hold a few years though.

[Cpdjoe77]

Originally Posted by mikee1186

Yeah adding 1 legend variation per box when there are only 5 on the checklist gives essentially no added value. Pretty lame.

Especially the legends they added, could’ve been much better names. And yeah being so many In terms of 1 per box adds essentially nothing


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[badlarrys]

Twitter find.....crazy

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[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by Americards

what about the license fee that have to pay to get to make the cards?
Does that go into the price of the product?

If the license fee is so much why aren't all products going up in cost? It's only ones that are mostly sold to the public. The majority of Topps and Panini hobby products prices are staying the same for their good friends. Actually, in Panini's case don't know if anyone has noticed but 2022 football cost for bums is going down on some products. So Panini is paying less for the NFL license fee this year? of course not. Someone going to tell me the F1 fee went up so much that Topps went from charging $100 to $750 in a year? How did Topps manage to pay the Star Wars fee last year with no Star Wars Sapphire? UEFA 2019-20 and 2020-21 were in the same calendar year. The price went from $80 to $250. The UEFA fee changed within the calendar year?

I could be wrong, but I don't think there is a single hobby product besides those listed that Topps or Panini has increased cost for the bums by even 4 times from what they paid 10 years ago. Probably longer. Topps increased cost 7.5 times in 1 year for F1 Sapphire. Increased cost 3 times in the same year for UEFA Sapphire. Increased cost around 7 times in around 2 years for Bowman Draft Sapphire.

Like I said, if Topps and Panini sell at what they deem market value for all products then that's actually what they should be doing. That is if they won't go the best and most fair route. Have some type of auction where all the boxes are made available. But they don't dare to stop the money tree for their good friends. Only trying to squeeze as much as they can out of normal customers.

[robbucjr]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

Like I said, if Topps and Panini sell at what they deem market value for all products then that's actually what they should be doing. That is if they won't go the best and most fair route. Have some type of auction where all the boxes are made available. But they don't dare to stop the money tree for their good friends. Only trying to squeeze as much as they can out of normal customers.

Okay, I've followed this nonsense long enough and I can't bite my lip anymore because it has started to bleed. Last time I checked, the United States operates in a Free Enterprise System. Pretty bold to say what "they should be doing" when you really mean "what I want them to be doing". Any manufacturer in any industry offers better prices to customers who are in a position to buy more of their products. Volume discounts - why would a manufacturer sell a product at the same price to a retail customer who buys a fraction of what a large distributor will/can afford to buy? These are very basic economic principles here.

[Archimedes]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

If the license fee is so much why aren't all products going up in cost? It's only ones that are mostly sold to the public. The majority of Topps and Panini hobby products prices are staying the same for their good friends. Actually, in Panini's case don't know if anyone has noticed but 2022 football cost for bums is going down on some products. So Panini is paying less for the NFL license fee this year? of course not. Someone going to tell me the F1 fee went up so much that Topps went from charging $100 to $750 in a year? How did Topps manage to pay the Star Wars fee last year with no Star Wars Sapphire? UEFA 2019-20 and 2020-21 were in the same calendar year. The price went from $80 to $250. The UEFA fee changed within the calendar year?

I could be wrong, but I don't think there is a single hobby product besides those listed that Topps or Panini has increased cost for the bums by even 4 times from what they paid 10 years ago. Probably longer. Topps increased cost 7.5 times in 1 year for F1 Sapphire. Increased cost 3 times in the same year for UEFA Sapphire. Increased cost around 7 times in around 2 years for Bowman Draft Sapphire.

Like I said, if Topps and Panini sell at what they deem market value for all products then that's actually what they should be doing. That is if they won't go the best and most fair route. Have some type of auction where all the boxes are made available. But they don't dare to stop the money tree for their good friends. Only trying to squeeze as much as they can out of normal customers.

So, your problem with Topps and Panini isn't that they're charging high prices? It's that they don't charge distributors the same high prices as they're charging consumers?

[OneSickDegen]

This stuff can't go up forever, bros. Can it bros? Bros?

[hotcalsun]

Originally Posted by Archimedes

So, your problem with Topps and Panini isn't that they're charging high prices? It's that they don't charge distributors the same high prices as they're charging consumers?

Hard to know anymore. Every 20 pages or so, it is the exact same 3-4 posts over and over again. Something about price of printing cards and auctions.

I made the mistake of engaging once.

[OneSickDegen]

Originally Posted by Archimedes

So, your problem with Topps and Panini isn't that they're charging high prices? It's that they don't charge distributors the same high prices as they're charging consumers?

Some folks just like to argue and pound dear reader into submission with autistic walls of words.

[J1L]

Originally Posted by badlarrys

Twitter find.....crazy

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bot purchases drive market down, not up. they unload quickly and undercut. they are definitely not "manipulating the market" its buy, sell, get next item.

[hotcalsun]

Originally Posted by J1L

bot purchases drive market down, not up. they unload quickly and undercut. they are definitely not "manipulating the market" its buy, sell, get next item.

Depends when credit card bill is due. Sometimes they have 45 days.

[RobDerhak]

just listed my star wars on myslabs for $1100...might regret not going diamond hands on this one