BGS Black Labels, Joe Clemons (eBay ID: wjc75056), and Illegitimate Grading

[auburn35]

To follow up on the most recent submission (that we know of) of cards that Joe submitted to Beckett.

In Beckett's effort, to clean up the appearance of misconduct with specific grading customers, they completely destroyed several of Joe's explanations for his previous, highly suspicious results.

Cards are grouped by grade (label color), as that's how Beckett prints the labels -
As we have pointed out, that's not the case with a properly handled submission and Joe's recent submission only proves his excuse to be incorrect.

Small sample of Joe's results from June 17, 2019

11417630 2014 Bowman Chrome Prospects Blue Refractors Mookie Betts
Monday, June 17, 2019
Centering Grade 9 Corner Grade 8.5 Edges Grade 9.5 Surfaces Grade 9
Final Grade 9
11417631 2014 Bowman Chrome Prospects Blue Refractors Mookie Betts
Monday, June 17, 2019
Centering Grade 9 Corner Grade 9 Edges Grade 9.5 Surfaces Grade 8.5
Final Grade 9
11417632 2014 Bowman Chrome Prospects Blue Refractors Mookie Betts
Monday, June 17, 2019
Centering Grade 9.5 Corner Grade 9.5 Edges Grade 9.5 Surfaces Grade 9.5
Final Grade 9.5
11417633 2014 Bowman Chrome Prospects Refractors Mookie Betts
Monday, June 17, 2019
Centering Grade 10 Corner Grade 9.5 Edges Grade 9.5 Surfaces Grade 8.5
Final Grade 9
11417634 2014 Bowman Chrome Prospects Refractors Mookie Betts
Monday, June 17, 2019
Centering Grade 10 Corner Grade 9.5 Edges Grade 9.5 Surfaces Grade 9
Final Grade 9.5
11417635 2014 Bowman Chrome Prospects Refractors Mookie Betts
Monday, June 17, 2019
Centering Grade 10 Corner Grade 10 Edges Grade 10 Surfaces Grade 8.5
Final Grade 9.5


Just better at grading than everyone and knows what Beckett is looking for -

While Joe's previous 30~ submissions, that have been discussed throughout this thread have consistently had multiple BGS 10 (Black Label) cards grouped together, this newest submission that took place (Beckett fully aware of the noted issues), had zero black label cards.
Just a coincidence or did Joe intentionally not submit any Black Label cards, this time?

Beckett doesn't know who cards they are grading -

For 30~ consecutive orders, that we have viewed from Joe's submissions, his BGS 10's, 9.5's.... were grouped together. That clearly presented a pattern that Beckett was treating these orders, differently than others, processed during the same time period. This newest order (completely changing from that pattern) only suggests that Beckett, is/was aware of who's orders they are processing. Why would the pattern change, if nothing improper was occurring with the previous submissions?

Another example, that for sure doesn't help the legend of the Eagle-Eye-Joe, is these lots he has for sale.
If you don't even have an eye good enough to sort out BCCG 10's for submission, how can you claim you have an eye for BGS 10's (Black Labels)?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/4-NOLAN-ARE...IAAOSwUPxdCs14
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2-NOLAN-ARE...kAAOSwDFFdCs6z
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2-NOLAN-ARE...QAAOSwB3JdCs-N

[hxcmilkshake]

Maybe Joe's friend got fired. Maybe Joe will provide the unemployment compensation.

Or maybe Joe's been under the weather. Will get you a case of this stuff buddy till you're back up on your feet.

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[blackbears86]

the sad thing is, unless someone talks or more information is somehow uncovered, we may never know the whole story.

[jmeryllman]

Originally Posted by auburn35

To follow up on the most recent submission (that we know of) of cards that Joe submitted to Beckett.

In Beckett's effort, to clean up the appearance of misconduct with specific grading customers, they completely destroyed several of Joe's explanations for his previous, highly suspicious results.

Cards are grouped by grade (label color), as that's how Beckett prints the labels -
As we have pointed out, that's not the case with a properly handled submission and Joe's recent submission only proves his excuse to be incorrect.

Small sample of Joe's results from June 17, 2019

11417630 2014 Bowman Chrome Prospects Blue Refractors Mookie Betts
Monday, June 17, 2019
Centering Grade 9 Corner Grade 8.5 Edges Grade 9.5 Surfaces Grade 9
Final Grade 9
11417631 2014 Bowman Chrome Prospects Blue Refractors Mookie Betts
Monday, June 17, 2019
Centering Grade 9 Corner Grade 9 Edges Grade 9.5 Surfaces Grade 8.5
Final Grade 9
11417632 2014 Bowman Chrome Prospects Blue Refractors Mookie Betts
Monday, June 17, 2019
Centering Grade 9.5 Corner Grade 9.5 Edges Grade 9.5 Surfaces Grade 9.5
Final Grade 9.5
11417633 2014 Bowman Chrome Prospects Refractors Mookie Betts
Monday, June 17, 2019
Centering Grade 10 Corner Grade 9.5 Edges Grade 9.5 Surfaces Grade 8.5
Final Grade 9
11417634 2014 Bowman Chrome Prospects Refractors Mookie Betts
Monday, June 17, 2019
Centering Grade 10 Corner Grade 9.5 Edges Grade 9.5 Surfaces Grade 9
Final Grade 9.5
11417635 2014 Bowman Chrome Prospects Refractors Mookie Betts
Monday, June 17, 2019
Centering Grade 10 Corner Grade 10 Edges Grade 10 Surfaces Grade 8.5
Final Grade 9.5


Just better at grading than everyone and knows what Beckett is looking for -

While Joe's previous 30~ submissions, that have been discussed throughout this thread have consistently had multiple BGS 10 (Black Label) cards grouped together, this newest submission that took place (Beckett fully aware of the noted issues), had zero black label cards.
Just a coincidence or did Joe intentionally not submit any Black Label cards, this time?

Beckett doesn't know who cards they are grading -

For 30~ consecutive orders, that we have viewed from Joe's submissions, his BGS 10's, 9.5's.... were grouped together. That clearly presented a pattern that Beckett was treating these orders, differently than others, processed during the same time period. This newest order (completely changing from that pattern) only suggests that Beckett, is/was aware of who's orders they are processing. Why would the pattern change, if nothing improper was occurring with the previous submissions?

Another example, that for sure doesn't help the legend of the Eagle-Eye-Joe, is these lots he has for sale.
If you don't even have an eye good enough to sort out BCCG 10's for submission, how can you claim you have an eye for BGS 10's (Black Labels)?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/4-NOLAN-ARE...IAAOSwUPxdCs14
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2-NOLAN-ARE...kAAOSwDFFdCs6z
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2-NOLAN-ARE...QAAOSwB3JdCs-N

This can't be! According to Leaf's BG, Joe is the greatest ever in finding black label 10s. He can't possibly strike out. SMH.

Beckett is cleaning house.

[ninjacookies]

Aside from the God Awful sketch depictions of cards where MJ looks like Steve Harvey, are we even sure if Leaf's autos and 'game worn' patches are legit?

That would almost be giving BG too much integrity credit.

[preakness]

There were some old threads where terminology was sketchy

Wouldn't say game used and date

Think was using term training worn

My guess many, not just leaf, are basically Dicks

[tonedef2oo8]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Aside from the God Awful sketch depictions of cards where MJ looks like Steve Harvey, are we even sure if Leaf's autos and 'game worn' patches are legit?

That would almost be giving BG too much integrity credit.

I forgot where but I remember seening either a video or a picture of leaf putting a jersey on a player and taking it right off. It was a China knockoff with like 30 patches on it (some nothing to do with the player or team) to make more “prime” cards.

When BG was pressed he basically said The ol topps does so we do.

[Cavaliercards]

Originally Posted by tonedef2oo8

I forgot where but I remember seening either a video or a picture of leaf putting a jersey on a player and taking it right off. It was a China knockoff with like 30 patches on it (some nothing to do with the player or team) to make more “prime” cards.

When BG was pressed he basically said The ol topps does so we do.

Correct that is what he has done for NFL Rookies and MLB Prospects.

He has not had the opportunity to have LeBron, Jordan, etc do the same.

[Bcwcardz]

Originally Posted by jmeryllman

This can't be! According to Leaf's BG, Joe is the greatest ever in finding black label 10s. He can't possibly strike out. SMH.



Beckett is cleaning house.

I don’t think they are cleaning house but more hand caught in the cookie jar so let’s be more careful. I would have loved to hear the meeting where this whole fiasco was center stage.


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[KhalDrogo]

Joe has gone from black labels to BCCG 8. Maybe he needs new glasses.

[THE(NEXT)LEVEL]

...and his last submission wasn’t full of cards under ten dollars, that no one would grade unless they were a 10, lol. At least this last submission he wouldn’t lose money, if they didn’t grade pristine.

[Orange October]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

I thought about buying this and donating it to the BODA's office.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-Leaf-L...RqZsV5EJNZu1FQ

ahahaha that is great

[superdan49]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

I thought about buying this and donating it to the BODA's office.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-Leaf-L...RqZsV5EJNZu1FQ

Originally Posted by TomRacer

This card is classic. I had to own it. So I do.

I’ll have it on Thursday. I will scan it and based on this post by superdan:


I would like it if kyaa would use it as his avatar.

I had $40 worth of chuckles when I saw I actually owned it so it is already money well spent.

Thank you BODA for all you are doing.

I look forward to seeing that scan from Tom Racer. Also, the card should be submitted to BGS to see if it qualifies for a BGS 10 Black Label.

[auburn35]

Originally Posted by superdan49

I look forward to seeing that scan from Tom Racer. Also, the card should be submitted to BGS to see if it qualifies for a BGS 10 Black Label.

[auburn35]

Originally Posted by Bcwcardz

I don’t think they are cleaning house but more hand caught in the cookie jar so let’s be more careful. I would have loved to hear the meeting where this whole fiasco was center stage.


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Yeah, based on the complete change in processing on Joe's order, I'm assuming Beckett (Joe) will just be more careful in the future. I'm sure the "special hookups" will still continue, just not so obvious.

With that said, Beckett seems to be just as bad at correcting their misconduct (no one will notice if we just stop this fraudulent grading, right?), as they were in disguising the corruption.

[pcbuck]

BCCG 8? Say it ain’t so Joe.

[auburn35]

Looks really nice, with the Black Label.

[tonedef2oo8]

Originally Posted by auburn35

Looks really nice, with the Black Label.

It’s not real he didn’t mention how much money he’s made off of suckers who buy his product thinking it’s really leaf from back in the day.

[superdan49]

I don't know, that Black Label looks a little soft in the lower left corner.

[rebbrooks]

Somebody just started a thread in the basketball section saying they seen a post on IG that Beckett is going to stop doing black labels. Anybody know anything about this?

[Briss]

Originally Posted by rebbrooks

Somebody just started a thread in the basketball section saying they seen a post on IG that Beckett is going to stop doing black labels. Anybody know anything about this?

I hope not. A perfect 10s card should have some cool difference than a 10. Maybe it's the military side in me but if they stop doing black labels that sounds like a reaction to a problem (one they may be a part of) compared to being proactive on solutions or more confidence in their services and their inner workings.

My humble opinions as someone who would love to get a BL from a Jewcer submission

[marlinsmaniac20]

Originally Posted by rebbrooks

Somebody just started a thread in the basketball section saying they seen a post on IG that Beckett is going to stop doing black labels. Anybody know anything about this?

I don’t see it? Link?

[rebbrooks]

Originally Posted by marlinsmaniac20

I don’t see it? Link?

It got moved to the graded section. It doesn't look like it's happening.

[dizzydolse]

Originally Posted by Briss

I hope not. A perfect 10s card should have some cool difference than a 10. Maybe it's the military side in me but if they stop doing black labels that sounds like a reaction to a problem (one they may be a part of) compared to being proactive on solutions or more confidence in their services and their inner workings.

My humble opinions as someone who would love to get a BL from a Jewcer submission

Yes but one of the important things we've discovered within this thread is that black labels are just a gimmick, created to take care of their biggest customers and anyone they feel like hooking up. There is no discernible difference between a black label, a Pristine, or even a true gem. The whole idea of the black label is corrupt and should be done away with.

[dizzydolse]

That Brian Gray auto inscribed to Joe above should be the last BL awarded and then scrap the program.