The Official NBA Regular Season Thread—-21/22 Edition

[yiguiri2002]

Originally Posted by daeve

remember when the Lakers didn't prioritize keeping this guy?

https://streamable.com/kfuncu

I, for one, am glad they didn't. Thanks GM LeBron!

[bulljh]

Is that the highest point total and the lowest point total of the season so far?

+/- numbers are pretty crazy

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by daeve

he's not great for his scoring ... - wasn't it also the case that they merely had to choose between him and THT? I get picking THT if this were a team building for long-term, but it's definitely not.

The real interesting thing to me is that traditionally Derozan has not been a good defender, and yet this year he's either 'buying-in' or perhaps playing alongside Caruso+Lonzo has really helped, but either way his defensive advanced #'s are much improved.

Defensively he’s good not great. He’s great for his size but gets exposed a lot on switches. He’s great on passing lanes and disrupting players coming in off the ball. Lakers can’t afford to give up 3 rotation guys for him especially with the injuries they’ve dealt with. Tht can make his own offense and when he gets hot can give you points and is also a willing defender with better size. Caruso hasn’t scored 20 or more in several seasons. I think tht is the better choice. None of this means I wouldn’t love to have Caruso on the team, they just couldn’t afford him and build the roster. Westbrook, Lebron, and AD eat up a lot of money.

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

I, for one, am glad they didn't. Thanks GM LeBron!

One of the best gms of all time. Amazing to build a championship team in year 2 with the lakers after they had not made the playoffs in 6 years.

[yiguiri2002]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

One of the best gms of all time. Amazing to build a championship team in year 2 with the lakers after they had not made the playoffs in 6 years.

Yeah, I think the fact that there was a Top 5 player in the team and another Top 10 player wanting to go there had more to do with it.

[rhigh2390]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

One of the best gms of all time. Amazing to build a championship team in year 2 with the lakers after they had not made the playoffs in 6 years.

Literally any GM in the league could do this if they could put 100% no thought to the future of the franchise.... just sayin. When lebron goes to teams, it's like he's playing NBA2K lol

[rhigh2390]

Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

I, for one, am glad they didn't. Thanks GM LeBron!

I don't blame the Lakers for not keeping him at the price he got paid, but love him in Chicago!!

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by rhigh2390

Literally any GM in the league could do this if they could put 100% no thought to the future of the franchise.... just sayin. When lebron goes to teams, it's like he's playing NBA2K lol

Any franchise takes a title over any time period of mediocrity. If you can build a contender for multiple seasons, why not do it?

[rhigh2390]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

Any franchise takes a title over any time period of mediocrity. If you can build a contender for multiple seasons, why not do it?

I don't blame him at all for doing it...

[yiguiri2002]

Originally Posted by rhigh2390

I don't blame the Lakers for not keeping him at the price he got paid, but love him in Chicago!!

I do blame them, it was absurd, but it worked out great for the team. I feel like if they get a combo guard off the bench and another big, they can make serious noise in the postseason.

[Nomad]

Originally Posted by brothertona

Nesmith and Pritchard aren't great though


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I chalk that up to the Celtics decision not to play or develop them. You give anyone garbage minutes and no opportunity to build a rhythm, see what you get.... they are still essentially who they were balling out in Summer League and before. The C's have played every starter through multiple absolute stinker games before they found a rhythm. Well, maybe Horford and Schroeder have been consistent from the start...

So if what you need is a big man and what the Rockets need is young talent, go out and make that deal.

[daeve]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

Defensively he’s good not great. He’s great for his size but gets exposed a lot on switches. He’s great on passing lanes and disrupting players coming in off the ball. Lakers can’t afford to give up 3 rotation guys for him especially with the injuries they’ve dealt with. Tht can make his own offense and when he gets hot can give you points and is also a willing defender with better size. Caruso hasn’t scored 20 or more in several seasons. I think tht is the better choice. None of this means I wouldn’t love to have Caruso on the team, they just couldn’t afford him and build the roster. Westbrook, Lebron, and AD eat up a lot of money.

guess it depends what metrics you're using, but he is 4th in the league in Defensive Raptor, 6th in DBPM, 19th in defensive rating, and #1 in stl %.

[bkcardcollector]

Think 35 year old ex allstar, desperate for a chip. That is who the Lakers will get. I could see Dragic after a raptor buyout.

[Spacemanspif]

why would someone choose that mess over Brooklyn / Milwaukee / Golden State / Phoenix?

[rustywest]

Originally Posted by bkcardcollector

Think 35 year old ex allstar, desperate for a chip. That is who the Lakers will get. I could see Dragic after a raptor buyout.

Unless there is something seriously wrong with Kendrick Nunn that we are not privy to I can't see that happening - The last thing the Lakers need is another small, old guard. (No disrespect to Goran, one of the most underappreciated players.)

[KhalDrogo]

If Dragic gets bought out, he’s going to the Mavs. That’s been very clear.

Lakers only hope is for a big name to get bought out (didn’t work last year), or trade THT.

[jcardstore]

I’ve seen a lot of trade rumors with THT as the main piece.

Who’s going to give up anything of value with THT as the main piece? The answer is nobody because he’s not very good. Pretty sure they don’t even have a 1st round pick till after 2025.

Lakers better hope Steph Curry gets bought out because that’s the only thing saving them now

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by daeve

guess it depends what metrics you're using, but he is 4th in the league in Defensive Raptor, 6th in DBPM, 19th in defensive rating, and #1 in stl %.

i dont put much stock into alot of the advanced metrics. just like curry, you see teams create switches to put them in the defensive spots and exploit them. with knowing those advanced stats, do you think caruso is top 5 in the league as a defender? is he going to make the all defensive team?

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

I’ve seen a lot of trade rumors with THT as the main piece.

Who’s going to give up anything of value with THT as the main piece? The answer is nobody because he’s not very good. Pretty sure they don’t even have a 1st round pick till after 2025.

Lakers better hope Steph Curry gets bought out because that’s the only thing saving them now

this years warriors reminds me of those hawks teams that were good in the regular season and did nothing in the playoffs. we dont know how klay is going to look and if he will stay healthy. they have alot of players over achieving at the moment but can you rely on them in the playoffs? even as good as curry is, he doesnt have that extra gear to go to for the playoffs. its evident the suns are the team to beat in the west. after a 1-3 start, im shocked they have won 18 in a row. they lost their 3 games to, at this point, non playoff teams. i chalk it up to a little beginning of the season rust. before beating the pistons last night, their last 4 wins were against the cavs, knicks, nets, and the warriors. thats a pretty strong stretch. im curious to see how they play tonight being a b2b, playing in golden state, and presumably without booker. i think losing in the finals last year has made the team grow, be hungrier, and have made them a better team. they are looking great right now.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

this years warriors reminds me of those hawks teams that were good in the regular season and did nothing in the playoffs. we dont know how klay is going to look and if he will stay healthy. they have alot of players over achieving at the moment but can you rely on them in the playoffs? even as good as curry is, he doesnt have that extra gear to go to for the playoffs. its evident the suns are the team to beat in the west. after a 1-3 start, im shocked they have won 18 in a row. they lost their 3 games to, at this point, non playoff teams. i chalk it up to a little beginning of the season rust. before beating the pistons last night, their last 4 wins were against the cavs, knicks, nets, and the warriors. thats a pretty strong stretch. im curious to see how they play tonight being a b2b, playing in golden state, and presumably without booker. i think losing in the finals last year has made the team grow, be hungrier, and have made them a better team. they are looking great right now.

The difference is that Steph Curry can take over any game at any time against anyone. Trae cannot.

Don't discount that the Warriors have the best defense in the NBA. If you don't want to believe the Curry numbers, that's fine but someone is making them an elite defense and it's not Wiggins and Poole. Even if Klay comes out struggling offensively he's a massive upgrade over Poole.

If Wiseman gives you anything at all he's a massive upgrade over Looney.

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

The difference is that Steph Curry can take over any game at any time against anyone. Trae cannot.

Don't discount that the Warriors have the best defense in the NBA. If you don't want to believe the Curry numbers, that's fine but someone is making them an elite defense and it's not Wiggins and Poole. Even if Klay comes out struggling offensively he's a massive upgrade over Poole.

If Wiseman gives you anything at all he's a massive upgrade over Looney.

steph has a history of regressing in the playoffs/finals/big moments that cant be ignored. similar to the suns game the other night. it was a statement game and their most important of the season at that point and he shoots 19%. im not talking about trae hawks, im talking about the hawks teams from 5-10 years ago, not sure of the specific seasons, but werent they best or near the top regular season east team for a 2-3 year stretch. they were a good regular season team but never translated to success in the post season. i see this years warriors team similar to that. klay is definitely an upgrade if hes 100% but it was worrisome when he tried to come back from his first major injury and immediately reinjured himself. i hope thats not the case as i like klay and hate to see any player be hampered with injuries.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

steph has a history of regressing in the playoffs/finals/big moments that cant be ignored. similar to the suns game the other night. it was a statement game and their most important of the season at that point and he shoots 19%. im not talking about trae hawks, im talking about the hawks teams from 5-10 years ago, not sure of the specific seasons, but werent they best or near the top regular season east team for a 2-3 year stretch. they were a good regular season team but never translated to success in the post season. i see this years warriors team similar to that. klay is definitely an upgrade if hes 100% but it was worrisome when he tried to come back from his first major injury and immediately reinjured himself. i hope thats not the case as i like klay and hate to see any player be hampered with injuries.

Those Hawks teams weren’t really that good with the exception of the 14-15? Season when they won 60 games and even then they didn’t have a star player like Curry just a collection of good players who fit the system.

But let’s say the Warriors win 60 games and lose to the Suns in the WCF, is that a disappointment? I don’t think so. It’s not championship or bust for the warriors and they’re definitely exceeding expectations to this point.

Besides the Suns I just don’t see who’s going to beat them in a 7 game series in the playoffs.

The jazz aren’t a threat to anyone and besides that the west is just outright bad.

[jcardstore]

It’s crazy to think that the west used to be a gauntlet and now it’s a cake walk.

The East has 7 of the 10 best teams in the NBA right now

[indyguy]

The team with the second best winning streak in the league right now is Houston with a 4 game win streak. Still sitting at 5-16 on the season!

[brothertona]

We all knew the Hawks were going to lose in the playoffs - the Cavs were on a completely different level than the Hawks even the 60 win Hawks.

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Those Hawks teams weren’t really that good with the exception of the 14-15? Season when they won 60 games and even then they didn’t have a star player like Curry just a collection of good players who fit the system.

But let’s say the Warriors win 60 games and lose to the Suns in the WCF, is that a disappointment? I don’t think so. It’s not championship or bust for the warriors and they’re definitely exceeding expectations to this point.

Besides the Suns I just don’t see who’s going to beat them in a 7 game series in the playoffs.

The jazz aren’t a threat to anyone and besides that the west is just outright bad.