2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[Clark]

Originally Posted by ld8759

Okay,so the tape is fake? You Trump supporters certainly stick together...I'll give you that.

I am not a Trump supporter, I am a truth supporter. He never uttered the word bleach, that is a LIE.

[packman80]

Originally Posted by coltsnsox07

My fellow cheeseheads don't care what they set on fire.
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Some people want a excuse to loot and riot. It upset me how quick the Packers and Bucks were to come out quickly make statements on the shooting before all the facts are out. How about we get the facts before they go all BLM and bash the police.

Some rumors out that he was carrying a knife in his hand they had tried to use a stun gun on him that failed and he said he was going to his car and get a gun. If this is true you have one weapon in your hand and make to act like you are getting a gun anyone will get shot. This guy if he had a knife in his hands could have been shot before looks like the police held off shooting him until he made the choice to go or at least act like he was going to get a gun. Had he dropped the knife got on the ground none of this happens. This is not a race thing either any person who is around a cop saying you are going to get a gun and make like you are is likely going to be shot by a cop.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by Onions

Lebron is what we call a useful idiot. His heart is probably in the right place, but like so many, even it this thread, he is so misinformed that they come off as complete fools. I am not a "shut up and dribble" guy, but more a "get more informed" guy. If you are going to make a stand, at least have it based in reality.

Agreed. I find it odd that many of the same people who believe off the wall conspiracies will also believe some of the BLM narratives without thinking twice. “Cops are running around hunting innocent black people.” — My first reaction is, “that sounds pretty crazy... I should probably verify that before making any definitive judgments.”

That’s my approach with anything along those lines. Let’s take a look at data and data over time to see if this claim is true. If it is true, then why is it happening and what can be done to fix it? I’m a solution oriented person and don’t see outrage as a solution, especially to a problem that doesn’t exist in the same way it’s nationally portrayed.

[preakness]

Time Man of the Year will be overrated Fauci.

Second place finisher will be counterfeit money passing George Floyd who is called a hero by some even though he'd be alive if he didn't unfortunately resist arrest

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by preakness

Time Man of the Year will be overrated Fauci.

Second place finisher will be counterfeit money passing George Floyd who is called a hero by some even though he'd be alive if he didn't unfortunately resist arrest

You’re probably right. Such awards are just pandering for public appeal, not based on actual merit. Greta Thunberg was Time Person of the Year in 2019 ... for what?

[DegaBama]

The police were called and they were able to see who they were dealing with. Imagine seeing the past charges and then knowing you will have to go deal with him. You're on edge. Then, guns are drawn for whatever reason, and the guy starts walking to his car. What else are you suppose to think? He's just going to grab a sip of his McDonald's coke? Then, they grab him and he's trying to get into the car, maybe grab something. Do the officers just wait?

Use logic. We've seen what happens when officers do allow the person to go towards the car, they get shot and die.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

The police were called and they were able to see who they were dealing with. Imagine seeing the past charges and then knowing you will have to go deal with him. You're on edge. Then, guns are drawn for whatever reason, and the guy starts walking to his car. What else are you suppose to think? He's just going to grab a sip of his McDonald's coke? Then, they grab him and he's trying to get into the car, maybe grab something. Do the officers just wait?

Use logic. We've seen what happens when officers do allow the person to go towards the car, they get shot and die.

Resisting is and a reason for deadly force to be used. Reaching for a coke isn’t a reason for delay force to be used.

A police officer knows the danger and risk involved in their job. If they are afraid and use excessive force for unjustifiable reasons, they need punished and/or need to find another profession.

Deadly force should only be used when your life is in danger. There is not enough evidence in the video to suggest it was necessary or unnecessary.

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by preakness

Time Man of the Year will be overrated Fauci.

Second place finisher will be counterfeit money passing George Floyd who is called a hero by some even though he'd be alive if he didn't unfortunately resist arrest

Who should it be?

[Chris Lyle]

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[Astros19]

I'm sure we'll all hear over and over how the police need to act different or better and I don't disagree with that, yet we won't hear a peep about how citizens could be just a tad different or better as well.
It's way past time for everybody to act better towards one another.
I'm tired of the fingers only pointing one way.

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[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by Astros19

I'm sure we'll all hear over and over how the police need to act different or better and I don't disagree with that, yet we won't hear a peep about how citizens could be just a tad different or better as well.
It's way past time for everybody to act better towards one another.
I'm tired of the fingers only pointing one way.

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Police and community reform are the only way any change will be successful. Trust has eroded on both sides for justifiable reasons and needs rebuilt. Some communities want nothing to do with Police and treat them like crap, some police are racist idiots.

That doesn’t affect what happened in this instance, but it will make or break us moving forward.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

Resisting is and a reason for deadly force to be used. Reaching for a coke isn’t a reason for delay force to be used.

A police officer knows the danger and risk involved in their job. If they are afraid and use excessive force for unjustifiable reasons, they need punished and/or need to find another profession.

Deadly force should only be used when your life is in danger. There is not enough evidence in the video to suggest it was necessary or unnecessary.

My point is, they don't know what he is reaching for. Does he already have a knife? Did he say he has a gun? Not sure. But in this world of guilty until proven innocence, it doesn't matter.

If it comes out that he didn't have a knife, didn't mention anything about a gun, then they used excessive force.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

My point is, they don't know what he is reaching for. Does he already have a knife? Did he say he has a gun? Not sure. But in this world of guilty until proven innocence, it doesn't matter.

If it comes out that he didn't have a knife, didn't mention anything about a gun, then they used excessive force.

I agree with the last part.

Nothing in the video confirms or denies justification for the force used. He could have been reaching for a knife, he could have been getting in his car to try and run. One would be justifiable, the other not.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

I agree with the last part.

Nothing in the video confirms or denies justification for the force used. He could have been reaching for a knife, he could have been getting in his car to try and run. One would be justifiable, the other not.

Correct. Maybe the taser isn't the way to go since that seems to not work. Maybe there needs to be more use of rubber bullets. More training is a must, as well.

Just a shame to see rioting and all these celebrities coming out, when the facts aren't there, and there's no way to prove it was a race issue.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Correct. Maybe the taser isn't the way to go since that seems to not work. Maybe there needs to be more use of rubber bullets. More training is a must, as well.

Just a shame to see rioting and all these celebrities coming out, when the facts aren't there, and there's no way to prove it was a race issue.

I say teach police how to lasso properly.

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Correct. Maybe the taser isn't the way to go since that seems to not work. Maybe there needs to be more use of rubber bullets. More training is a must, as well.

Just a shame to see rioting and all these celebrities coming out, when the facts aren't there, and there's no way to prove it was a race issue.

At least around me....more physical fitness is a must. I appreciate anyone willing to serve their community under the conditions an officer has to face but if that is your profession, you need to physically be able to protect and handle yourself.

The riots and jumping to a conclusion before the facts are revealed is troubling but I think just goes to show the lack of trust that exists, especially when it comes to holding Cops accountable. The burden is so high.

[rhigh2390]

Have any of the known black victims of police shootings just followed instructions on what the cops said to do? Of the ones I know of, they are all resisting arrest/fighting with officers/reaching for guns,knives, etc.

Not saying that there wasn't some wrongdoing in some instances by the officers, but I still can't help but think if you just did what they said, you aren't getting shot. Not sure why it's so hard to just sit/stand there and follow their instruction if you're worried they are going to shoot you.

[dodgerfanjohn]

Originally Posted by pac213up

At least around me....more physical fitness is a must. I appreciate anyone willing to serve their community under the conditions an officer has to face but if that is your profession, you need to physically be able to protect and handle yourself.

The riots and jumping to a conclusion before the facts are revealed is troubling but I think just goes to show the lack of trust that exists, especially when it comes to holding Cops accountable. The burden is so high.

Every single one of the riots and protests is a planned act. Lack of trust has nothing to do with it.

It also just so happens that the primary groups responsible for organizing the protests and riots is literally built out of lies. Their interpretation of the Trayvon Martin killing is false as is their interpretation of the Michael Brown killing. Incidentally the narrative BLM spins about both instances is confirmed false by the President Obama and AG Holder led US DOJ. And one of the more prominent stories out of the Michael Brown killing “hands up don’t shoot” is a male believe fairy tale.

[Deathgate]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

I say teach police how to lasso properly.

[dodgerfanjohn]

Originally Posted by rhigh2390

Have any of the known black victims of police shootings just followed instructions on what the cops said to do? Of the ones I know of, they are all resisting arrest/fighting with officers/reaching for guns,knives, etc.

Not saying that there wasn't some wrongdoing in some instances by the officers, but I still can't help but think if you just did what they said, you aren't getting shot. Not sure why it's so hard to just sit/stand there and follow their instruction if you're worried they are going to shoot you.

You have 30 plus years of video recorded evidence on COPS that criminal suspects frequently don’t comply.

It’s too bad that’s cancelled along with Live PD...all because of some idiots that can’t handle truth and fact.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

The police were called and they were able to see who they were dealing with. Imagine seeing the past charges and then knowing you will have to go deal with him. You're on edge. Then, guns are drawn for whatever reason, and the guy starts walking to his car. What else are you suppose to think? He's just going to grab a sip of his McDonald's coke? Then, they grab him and he's trying to get into the car, maybe grab something. Do the officers just wait?

Use logic. We've seen what happens when officers do allow the person to go towards the car, they get shot and die.

This is part of why officers pull the trigger. 89 officers killed while on duty in 2019, 48 of those the result of felonious acts. That doesn’t account for times where officers are just injured or the individual attempting to inflict harm whiffs entirely. There is a very clear element of danger for officers, especially in a gun country like USA.

I don’t know about the rest of you, but I’m very cautious with confronting strangers over things that really don’t matter just because they may have a weapon. A couple years ago a young girl named Bianca Roberson was shot in the head by another driver while both vehicles were moving because they were fighting for position in a merge area. I take that road multiple times a week. That’s just one local example I know of. Police are dealing with adverse, hostile individuals on a regular basis. I think it’s important to keep all perspectives in mind.

[NeedChapmans]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ced-leave.html

Looks like they brawled just before Blake goes to his car and opens the door.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

I say teach police how to lasso properly.

That is probably the answer.

Originally Posted by pac213up

At least around me....more physical fitness is a must. I appreciate anyone willing to serve their community under the conditions an officer has to face but if that is your profession, you need to physically be able to protect and handle yourself.

The riots and jumping to a conclusion before the facts are revealed is troubling but I think just goes to show the lack of trust that exists, especially when it comes to holding Cops accountable. The burden is so high.

I agree, physical fitness needs to be better. They should be spending a couple hours a day, working on that.

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by dodgerfanjohn

Every single one of the riots and protests is a planned act. Lack of trust has nothing to do with it.

It also just so happens that the primary groups responsible for organizing the protests and riots is literally built out of lies. Their interpretation of the Trayvon Martin killing is false as is their interpretation of the Michael Brown killing. Incidentally the narrative BLM spins about both instances is confirmed false by the President Obama and AG Holder led US DOJ. And one of the more prominent stories out of the Michael Brown killing “hands up don’t shoot” is a male believe fairy tale.

Lack of trust allows the message to resonate. Most of the trust issues are built on interactions MSM never hears about or reports.

This did not start with Michael Brown or Trayvon or Rodney King for that matter.

But yes the BLM organization has taken advantage of these situations to move their agenda forward.

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

That is probably the answer.



I agree, physical fitness needs to be better. They should be spending a couple hours a day, working on that.

I am not sure what the standards are for a yearly physical fitness assessment are...but it seems like an opportunity.

With that said police in general should also be paid more so they do not have to carry a bunch of OT shifts to care for their family. That time could be spent on training, fitness, ect.