2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Do you recognize the difference between dying from a virus and firebombing a police station? I know you do, so don't you think these comparisons are not entirely apt?

I fully recognize the nuance and distinctions between the deceased in both cases.

My larger point was the general reaction by both botnets. That someone can so easily be disqualified from both basic human dignity and access to emergency services.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by rcmb3220

And they’ll end up playing again before anything happens. Or they won’t play and nothing will happen.

It’s not like they’re saying “we won’t play until X gets passed by Congress and then signed into law”. Or some other absolute outcome.

The NBA isn't a powerful enough organization to force the government into enacting policy, but they have the platform to raise awareness on a variety of issues whether some feel it's being handled skillfully or not.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by MIRRABB

Hold up a second, are you saying Police Unions are democratic? That's probably the wildest thing you've said, and you've had some doozies.

You think saying that police unions are largely democratic is wild?

What planet are you from?

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

I fully recognize the nuance and distinctions between the deceased in both cases.

My larger point was the general reaction by both botnets. That someone can so easily be disqualified from both basic human dignity and access to emergency services.

I think the idea of self infliction plays an important role here. If two men are standing outside and a tree falls and kills each of them, I will be much more sympathetic to the man who did nothing vs. the man who cut down the tree.

[TheFrenzy]

Tangible steps include things like:

- Ensuring that police forces are (fairly) representative of their communities.

- Body cams coupled with responsible journalistic reporting and use of that footage.

- Reviewing department stockpiles of military munitions and either establishing federal guidelines for what is allowed in individual departments or at least making it crystal clear who at the local level is responsible for "militarization" of local police forces.

- Making sure that protests and any violence are only initiated when it is clear that an officer is not receiving oversight, accountability, or prosecution for their use of deadly force against a POC—not as the automatic response to every instance where a POC is shot.

- If these protests were focused entirely on Taylor's case, you'd have 99% of America on their side. There has been no justice in that case. The Floyd protests/riots produce some division because the officers have been arrested and are facing trial. Justice is being carried out. The subsequent protests, sparking off the very first reports of anyone being shot, have completely jumped the shark.

[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

The NBA isn't a powerful enough organization to force the government into enacting policy, but they have the platform to raise awareness on a variety of issues whether some feel it's being handled skillfully or not.

So we’re finally going to have that long-awaited national dialogue? Do you think they’ll hold out until that’s scheduled or until after it’s over?

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I think the idea of self infliction plays an important role here. If two men are standing outside and a tree falls and kills each of them, I will be much more sympathetic to the man who did nothing vs. the man who cut down the tree.

See, now you're giving me an opportunity score points with our liberal friends because I'm going to disagree and say they were both idiots (to varying degrees) and our quickness to revoke human decency from people who end up paying with their lives from a mistake is to play a dangerous game.

(I realize neither side is really in the habit of giving out points. It's a zero-sum, all-or-nothing game for most people. )

[preakness]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Let's see if we can actually get ahead of the controversies and social debates: Are hurricane names too white?

The National Hurricane Center already has the storm names picked out from now through 2025:



So, despite the fact that these storms affect incredibly diverse populations ranging from South America to the US East Coast, it's most old-timey European names like "Josephine," "Paulette," and "Wilfred."

Where are the Afro-Caribbean names?

Where are the Cajun names?

Why so few clearly Hispanic and Latin American names?

Where are the Indigenous Peoples' names?

Can we please discuss this before it actually becomes a politically-charged debate?

No Karen?

[MIRRABB]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Tangible steps include things like:

- Ensuring that police forces are (fairly) representative of their communities.

- Body cams coupled with responsible journalistic reporting and use of that footage.

- Reviewing department stockpiles of military munitions and either establishing federal guidelines for what is allowed in individual departments or at least making it crystal clear who at the local level is responsible for "militarization" of local police forces.

- Making sure that protests and any violence are only initiated when it is clear that an officer is not receiving oversight, accountability, or prosecution for their use of deadly force against a POC—not as the automatic response to every instance where a POC is shot.

- If these protests were focused entirely on Taylor's case, you'd have 99% of America on their side. There has been no justice in that case. The Floyd protests/riots produce some division because the officers have been arrested and are facing trial. Justice is being carried out. The subsequent protests, sparking off the very first reports of anyone being shot, have completely jumped the shark.

Well said

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by rcmb3220

So we’re finally going to have that long-awaited national dialogue? Do you think they’ll hold out until that’s scheduled or until after it’s over?

If the Raptors-Celtics opening game/s are boycotted it will only be because they're conveniently ahead of the schedule of the rest of the playoff teams.

I doubt the league boycotts a single game though.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by jdandns

The "other side" to this is Black Lives Don't Matter.
What should the NBA do?
Allow Klan rallies at halftime?
Paint the Confederate flag on the court?

The fact that people genuinely believe this is sad.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by jdandns

Too long, did not read.

Work now.

LMAO.

Jesus Christ.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by Zedlaw

Whats the answer, next steps, to the protests?

Are most here arguing nothing should be done and we're fine where we're at. As a result, harsher tactics employed to handle civilian uprisings.

Or is there dialog that needs to happen and policing policy changes that need to happen. It's not radical to demand police stop killing people. I keep banging my head against why nothing is happening, why no change, no talks from a governmental level. The protests aren't getting less violent and more videos are inevitably going to keep surfacing, a person dies everyday as a result of police interactions. This is an ongoing problem, even if all police shootings are justified, the resulting protests are a problem.

Is it unreasonable to believe Trump is letting cities flounder, stoking violence, perpetuating riots for political end. It's definitely galvanizing his base and turning away moderates from BLM's message. I just don't understand why there's not a clearer effort to talk towards policy changes.

When Trump wants to send guardsmen in to break up riots, he'd a violent dictator. Now he's 'letting cities flounder'. Lose lose.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

LOL, they're not giving out James Beard awards this year because the winners are too white.

Restaurant industry doing themselves no favors.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/25/d...e=articleShare

Do the chefs now get custom-made coats with things like "equality" written on the back?

[rman112]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

You didn't respond to the prompt, but rather offered yet another biased interpretation of the NBA.

We're becoming a country of critics.

"Don't criticize things I agree with."

[Jopeal]

An NBA boycott thread popped up and was very quickly deleted.

Siberian was already getting involved

[rman112]

Originally Posted by rcmb3220

And they’ll end up playing again before anything happens. Or they won’t play and nothing will happen.

It’s not like they’re saying “we won’t play until X gets passed by Congress and then signed into law”. Or some other absolute outcome.

Our kids and grandkids will tell us of reading in their history books where the Toronto Raptors not playing Game 1 of the Eastern Conference Semifinals changed the world for the better.

Fred Van Vleet seems to have his heart in the right place, though.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

You didn't respond to the prompt, but rather offered yet another biased interpretation of the NBA.

We're becoming a country of critics.

Biased in what way?

Because I painted the NBA as what it is, a product sold to consumers?

Please make some sort of point.

[TheHeel]

Just checking in. I know my people missed me.

[Zedlaw]

Originally Posted by rman112

When Trump wants to send guardsmen in to break up riots, he'd a violent dictator. Now he's 'letting cities flounder'. Lose lose.

I gave two simple arguments on how to handle the current protests.
1) Policing is fine, let’s get the protests under control with harsher tactics
Or 2) Things need to change and let’s talk about this and find a resolution.

Trump’s actions were towards argument 1. He was vilified for harsher tactics so now has no problem seeing things escalate. Which in turn has given him more leverage to enforce harsher tactics. His ultimate goal. Lose win

If he took honest steps towards argument 2 and was further called a violent dictator, that’s lose lose

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

Just checking in. I know my people missed me.

Where ya been?
Carrying JD's water?

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[Astros19]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

Again, bias.

I'm guessing you have a short cut on your computer for this reply.

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[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

Biased in what way?

Because I painted the NBA as what it is, a product sold to consumers?

Please make some sort of point.

Your response was that you hated my sentiment. I only asked a question regarding what the appropriate avenues were for political discourse.

Yes the NBA is a business. I have no counterpoint to that. It's a plain fact.

#TriggeredInception

Originally Posted by Astros19

I'm guessing you have a short cut on your computer for this reply.

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Ctrl + B

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

See, now you're giving me an opportunity score points with our liberal friends because I'm going to disagree and say they were both idiots (to varying degrees) and our quickness to revoke human decency from people who end up paying with their lives from a mistake is to play a dangerous game.

(I realize neither side is really in the habit of giving out points. It's a zero-sum, all-or-nothing game for most people. )

I agree that in the totality of the action, two human lives were lost, and that is very sad. But I'm lying if I don't tell you I view them differently. You can roll me back to the thread the death of Oscar Taveras. The death of his girlfriend is a terrible tragedy and I had sorrow for her family. For Taveras, not so much.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by Zedlaw

I gave two simple arguments on how to handle the current protests.
1) Policing is fine, let’s get the protests under control with harsher tactics
Or 2) Things need to change and let’s talk about this and find a resolution.

Trump’s actions were towards argument 1. He was vilified for harsher tactics so now has no problem seeing things escalate. Which in turn has given him more leverage to enforce harsher tactics. His ultimate goal. Lose win

If he took honest steps towards argument 2 and was further called a violent dictator, that’s lose lose

I think if he were to talk about the most effective resolution, it would be to not break the law and put yourself in these positions as a civilian, and to listen to police if you do. But no one wants to hear that.