WWE Discussion thread- Raw/SD/PPV - Page 1469

mnvikingstwins · 10-07-2019, 09:38 PM

Forgot draft doesn't start until Friday

packman80 · 10-08-2019, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Jericho

Charlotte winning the SD title was the best thing about last nights show. Oh and Bryan of course. Surprised some ppl were shocked Bray didnt win the title, there was no way they were putting the title on him. And as far as the finish goes, wasn't it Referee stoppage? Which should actually mean Seth won. Either way they made Bray look way too strong in this match, kicking out of things that pinned Braun and Brock? Its still Bray Wyatt...just in a clown mask.

Agree they made Wyatt seem like he's immortal and nothing can stop him. They want people to forget that he was jobbing to everyone a couple years ago. So now he losses some weight puts on a mask he is supposed to be unstoppable?

kmunch811 · 10-08-2019, 11:41 AM

While I appreciate throwback storylines that draw inspiration from the Attitude Era, This Rusev/Lana/Lashley angle is so cringworthy.

I liked the Braun/Fury bit yesterday, but find it hard to believe that he'd be willing to risk an injury doing this with the Wilder fight off in the distance (side note, Braun calling out the slow 10 count in the wilder fight was amazing and actually got a pop out of me at home....showed me these writers could be good if they tried. lol)

mhuhn23 · 10-08-2019, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by kmunch811

While I appreciate throwback storylines that draw inspiration from the Attitude Era, This Rusev/Lana/Lashley angle is so cringworthy.

I liked the Braun/Fury bit yesterday, but find it hard to believe that he'd be willing to risk an injury doing this with the Wilder fight off in the distance (side note, Braun calling out the slow 10 count in the wilder fight was amazing and actually got a pop out of me at home....showed me these writers could be good if they tried. lol)

Strowman/Fury is about as awful to me as Umaga/Lashley at WM 23. Or Big Show/Floyd. It makes no sense. It’s stupid. Nobody in the crowd reacted to Fury (the majority haven’t a clue who he is). Strowman looks weak taking on a 3rd party draw. Bringing him in isn’t making me buy a PPV or subscribe to the network. When they went at each other, they both ran and struck, none of the punches connected. They sold it as some huge brawl, and as a fan I was pissed.

They completely botched the HIAC finish. Rollins curb stomp means nothing. After all, a guy can kick out of 20 of them with weapon shots in between. HIAC means nothing. Supposed to be the climax match to a feud.

Apollo Crews/Ricochet was the match before the main event. When it ended at 10:45 is when WWE highlighted the Bray/Rollins match. How convenient, when everybody else had already went to sleep for the night. Any other PPV they lead In with highlights. They didn’t care to mention much of anything because they know it was that bad.

A few pages ago I said Lesnar would beat Kofi because of the Fox deal. Took 9 seconds to be exact.

WWE is awful. I’m 30, ive watched since 1996, always a WWF fanboy, it’s part of my childhood and young adult life. I’ve been to shows, been to PPVs, Mania 23 ringside with my brother, Royal Rumble 09 (you can see me with an “Age of Orton” sign after he won on the broadcast), fast lane with my buddy when Punk’s match was stopped for blood, and Orton blew his shoulder out pounding the ring. Woof.

I watched the entirety of Raw last night, and while it was a meaningless show leading up to the draft on Smackdown...it’s sad.

kmunch811 · 10-08-2019, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by mhuhn23

Strowman/Fury is about as awful to me as Umaga/Lashley at WM 23. Or Big Show/Floyd. It makes no sense. It’s stupid. Nobody in the crowd reacted to Fury (the majority haven’t a clue who he is). Strowman looks weak taking on a 3rd party draw. Bringing him in isn’t making me buy a PPV or subscribe to the network. When they went at each other, they both ran and struck, none of the punches connected. They sold it as some huge brawl, and as a fan I was pissed.

Apollo Crews/Ricochet was the match before the main event. When it ended at 10:45 is when WWE highlighted the Bray/Rollins match. How convenient, when everybody else had already went to sleep for the night. Any other PPV they lead In with highlights. They didn’t care to mention much of anything because they know it was that bad.

I guess as someone who has grown up watching both boxing and the WWE, it was just fun to see the most charismatic active boxer crossing over during the height of his career. It may not get you to want to buy a PPV to see him vs Braun, but I'm sure Top Rank boxing and Fox are hoping it makes you maybe want to tune in for his next boxing match...

but yes, the throwing of punches was awful.

After the AEW chants, there was zero percent chance WWE was going to give the fans the opportunity to do that again. I agree that the finish was awful, but I cant fault WWE for just trying to ignore it.

I was really waiting for the ref being fired for stopping the match and playing an angle like that...because....WWE

jazz1232dc · 10-08-2019, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolves4Life

Wrestling twitter:

WWE fans in 2014 when Bryan kept getting screwed over.
We're canceling the WWE Network
WWE fans after last night
We're canceling the WWE Network.
WWE fans after the next bad ending
We're canceling the WWE Network. You're still here.

Ratings have dropped significantly since 2014. Fans have left.

WalterAZ31 · 10-08-2019, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jazz1232dc

Ratings have dropped significantly since 2014. Fans have left.

you can say that about just about everything not named NFL

Stanley2 · 10-08-2019, 11:22 PM

I hate that kind of brawl where they go back and forth shoving the entire locker room out of the way to go jump someone. It is pointless and makes everyone else look weak.

fazzle · 10-09-2019, 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by WalterAZ31

you can say that about just about everything not named NFL

True, but how many shows have HALF as many viewers as they had in 2014 and are still on the air?

pryantexas · 10-09-2019, 11:31 AM

Just want to chime in that as a casual WWE fan I think the Fiend is awesome

Really looking forward to him continuing to grow his brand and victims

no10pin · 10-09-2019, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by pryantexas

Just want to chime in that as a casual WWE fan I think the Fiend is awesome

Really looking forward to him continuing to grow his brand and victims

I think it's a great character, and the buildup was done really well. I was worried they were going to ruin it, and Sunday was a big step in that direction.

Wolves4Life · 10-11-2019, 09:12 PM

New attitude or not, Bayley is not a good champion. Taking the title off Char10tte so soon was dumb.

storm · 10-11-2019, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolves4Life

New attitude or not, Bayley is not a good champion. Taking the title off Char10tte so soon was dumb.

She will end up in a feud with Becky on Raw. Bliss getting drafted solo, the tag division is probably getting phased out. Would love a face turn by Sane to feud with Bayley. Put Asuka with the other 2 on Raw, some great match potential on both shows.

mnvikingstwins · 10-11-2019, 10:04 PM

Bayley is just Ruby's NXT debut gimmick reimagined

sthoemke · 10-12-2019, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolves4Life

New attitude or not, Bayley is not a good champion. Taking the title off Char10tte so soon was dumb.

It was all about giving Charotte her 10th title, and giving Bayley a new persona.

BoxBreaker72 · 10-12-2019, 11:21 AM

It's not even about being a good champion for Flair. The goal is to have her win more titles than her dad. Which is pathetic. Makes her look like a fraud with all these 2 week reigns.

JustinVerlander07 · 10-12-2019, 11:24 AM

Having a 'draft' where most the people stat where they were just seems really dumb. (Not as dumb as those stupid network 'war room' videos. As if anyone would be doing cartwheels after 'drafting' Natalya back to RAW)

Jericho · 10-12-2019, 12:11 PM

Bray drafted to SD hopefully means that feud with Seth is over thankfully. Charlotte losing the title this quick was dumb, yes I know they want to get her 16 or more, but she has time they dont need to do it in the next few months...

no10pin · 10-12-2019, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Having a 'draft' where most the people stat where they were just seems really dumb. (Not as dumb as those stupid network 'war room' videos. As if anyone would be doing cartwheels after 'drafting' Natalya back to RAW)

Those draft rooms were just ridiculously stupid. First of all there, are only two 'teams', and then the rooms are reacting like they didn't know who they were going to get. The reaction to getting Nattie was hilarious too.

On another note, I get that RAW won the right to draft first, but why did they get three picks every round and SD got two? I mean, I understand that they already know where everyone is going, but I just thought it was weird that it was presented that way. RAW started and ended every round.

mnvikingstwins · 10-12-2019, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by no10pin

Those draft rooms were just ridiculously stupid. First of all there, are only two 'teams', and then the rooms are reacting like they didn't know who they were going to get. The reaction to getting Nattie was hilarious too.

On another note, I get that RAW won the right to draft first, but why did they get three picks every round and SD got two? I mean, I understand that they already know where everyone is going, but I just thought it was weird that it was presented that way. RAW started and ended every round.

Raw has 3 hours SD has 2, they said that with the original rules

no10pin · 10-12-2019, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mnvikingstwins

Raw has 3 hours SD has 2, they said that with the original rules

Ah. I wasn't listening then I guess. Makes sense I suppose!

fazzle · 10-12-2019, 01:49 PM

So after the huge numbers for the debut on Fox, Smackdown was down 25% to 2.9 million viewers. They still won the night in the 18-49 demo, but it was much closer.

natbornkiller · 10-13-2019, 04:11 PM

Aleister Black
Ali
Andrade
AOP (Akam & Rezar)
Apollo Crews
Bayley
WWE Champion Brock Lesnar
Buddy Murphy
Carmella
SmackDown Women’s Champion Charlotte Flair
Cedric Alexander
Curt Hawkins & Zack Ryder
Dana Brooke
Daniel Bryan
Drake Maverick
Raw Tag Team Champions Dolph Ziggler & Robert Roode
Elias
Erick Rowan
Fire & Desire (Mandy Rose & Sonya Deville)
King Corbin
Jinder Mahal
Liv Morgan
Luke Harper
Mojo Rawley
The Miz
No Way José
Rey Mysterio
R-Truth
Rusev
Samoa Joe
Universal Champion Seth Rollins
Sarah Logan
Shelton Benjamin
Intercontinental Champion Shinsuke Nakamura (with Sami Zayn)
The IIconics (Billie Kay & Peyton Royce)
WWE Women’s Tag Team Champions The Kabuki Warriors (Asuka & Kairi Sane)
The New Day (Kofi Kingston, Big E & Xavier Woods)
Titus O’Neil
NEXT PATCH FOR THE FAKE DRAFT

packman80 · 10-13-2019, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jericho

Bray drafted to SD hopefully means that feud with Seth is over thankfully. Charlotte losing the title this quick was dumb, yes I know they want to get her 16 or more, but she has time they dont need to do it in the next few months...

If they want to make Wyatt look like a true monster next he should face and beat clean Reigns

natbornkiller · 10-13-2019, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by natbornkiller

Aleister Black RAW
Ali SMACKDOWN
Andrade RAW
AOP (Akam & Rezar)
Apollo Crews SMACKDOWN
Bayley SMACKDOWN
W/WE Champion Brock Lesnar RAW
Buddy Murphy RAW
Carmella SMACKDOWN
SmackDown Women’s Champion Charlotte Flair RAW

Cedric Alexander RAW
Curt Hawkins & Zack Ryder UNDRAFTED
Dana Brooke
Daniel Bryan SMACKDOWN
Drake Maverick UNDRAFTED
Raw Tag Team Champions Dolph Ziggler & Robert Roode SMACKDOWN
Elias RAW
Erick Rowan SMACKDOWN
Fire & Desire (Mandy Rose & Sonya Deville) RAW
King Corbin UNDRAFTED THAAT WOULD BE FUNNY
Jinder Mahal UNDRAFTED
Liv Morgan
Luke Harper
Mojo Rawley UNDRAFTED
The Miz RAW
No Way José UNDRAFTED
Rey Mysterio SMACKDOWN
R-Truth DOES IT MATTER HES THE 24/48/7-11 CHAMP
Rusev SMACKDOWN
Samoa Joe SMACKDOWN
Universal Champion Seth Rollins SMACKDOWN
Sarah Logan SMACKDOWN
Shelton Benjamin UNDRAFTED
Intercontinental Champion Shinsuke Nakamura (with Sami Zayn) SMACKDOWN
The IIconics (Billie Kay & Peyton Royce) EITHER WAY
WWE Women’s Tag Team Champions The Kabuki Warriors (Asuka & Kairi Sane) SMACKDOWN
The New Day (Kofi Kingston, Big E & Xavier Woods) SMACKDOWN
Titus O’Neil
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