First Buzz: 2024 Panini Prizm football cards

[SleeperCards]

Originally Posted by CapMarvelous

I saw Prizm Mega boxes in 1 Walmart and 2 Targets in the past two days here in Chicago. I was tempted to buy a couple and stash, but after weighing the positives and negatives, I did not buy anything each time I saw the product.

Are they rare to come by still? Or did I just happen to get lucky?

Referenced Mega box prices from the past few years and didn't see the benefit of holding despite the potential of the 2024 rookie class.

I think they are worth picking up if you think this class will be closer to the 2020 class than 2021. If they end up like the 2021 class you're obviously not making anything, but the boxes won't go to 0.

[bub838]

My Target Megas came in

[SleeperCards]

Originally Posted by bub838

My Target Megas came in

Congrats, hopefully one of those is hiding in the Megas I open SB weekend.

[thewild3]

Originally Posted by CapMarvelous

I saw Prizm Mega boxes in 1 Walmart and 2 Targets in the past two days here in Chicago. I was tempted to buy a couple and stash, but after weighing the positives and negatives, I did not buy anything each time I saw the product.

Are they rare to come by still? Or did I just happen to get lucky?

Referenced Mega box prices from the past few years and didn't see the benefit of holding despite the potential of the 2024 rookie class.

My target just restock with a full shelf of Megas. Was going to buy some but left them all for the kids. $65 per box is ridiculous. That's a lose lose 9 out of 10 times.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by bub838

My Target Megas came in

Nice!

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by thewild3

My target just restock with a full shelf of Megas. Was going to buy some but left them all for the kids. $65 per box is ridiculous. That's a lose lose 9 out of 10 times.

Don’t open them. Just flip them for easy money

[slyguy]

Originally Posted by CapMarvelous

...Referenced Mega box prices from the past few years and didn't see the benefit of holding despite the potential of the 2024 rookie class.

You don't see the point?
...Seriously???

Who have the QBs been in the "past few years"?
2023 CJ Stroud (sure, likely top 10 guys... doubtful superstar without significant strides, though),
2022 Purdy (doubtful to be more than avg... minimal value except to SF fans),
2021 TLaw (star trajectory... now looks pretty avg starter at best, team/owners/coach are a circus),
and a bunch of nobodys with them from those years (Pickett, Bryce Young, AR-15, Levis, Ridder, Malik Willis, Howell and endless 2021 QB flops: Zach Wilson, Fields, Mills, Lance, Trask, Mac Jones, etc)

NOBODY wants those packs from 2021-23. Not for ripping, not for breaks, not for investment. Obviously. QB values carry the hobby.
Why would they want those? There has to be a superstar or at least a top star potential. There is no carrot on the 2021-23 stick.
The only reason those packs 2021-23 have any bit of value is vet inserts/hits... and maybe a bit factored in for CJ Stroud.

On the contrary:
2020 packs have Burrow, Hurts, Love, Herbert, etc. (fairly good - but heavily printed)
2019 has Kyler (worthless packs... below retail just like 2021-23 are).
2018 has Josh Allen and Lamar, Baker (valued mostly 2-3x above what they retailed).
2017 has Mahomes only (usually 10-20x or more above their retail based on him)... CMC, TJ Watt and a few other non-QBs who will be HOF.

...clearly, it all comes down to star/superstar potential.

[slyguy]

Originally Posted by SleeperCards

I think they are worth picking up if you think this class will be closer to the 2020 class than 2021. If they end up like the 2021 class you're obviously not making anything, but the boxes won't go to 0.

I was thinking the 2024 draft class will be more on the level of 1989 draft. Jmo.
Probably a bit better for offensive players and QBs and future HOF and All pro guys... a fair bit weaker on defensive ones.
2024 class is great for QBs, but it's much more than those 6-7+ guys also (Marv Jr, Thomas, Nabers, Bowers, Rome, Worthy, Ladd, Polk, etc etc etc).

There are occasionally monster draft classes among weak draft after weak draft. It's not like there are exactly 5 HOFers drafted every year. Sometimes 1, sometimes 10 in a draft class.

2024 was so strong that nearly all the QBs who are first/high round NFL picks for 2025 (Sanders, Ward, Ewers, Milroe, etc) stayed out of 2024 and went back to school as they'd have been late/non drafted (yet first/early a year later). They - and their agents - knew they had almost no hope with the strength of the 2024 guys. That tells you something.

[SleeperCards]

Originally Posted by slyguy

I was thinking the 2024 draft class will be more on the level of 1989 draft. Jmo.
Probably a bit better for offensive players and QBs and future HOF and All pro guys... a fair bit weaker on defensive ones.
2024 class is great for QBs, but it's much more than those 6-7+ guys also (Marv Jr, Thomas, Nabers, Bowers, Rome, Worthy, Ladd, Polk, etc etc etc).

There are occasionally monster draft classes among weak draft after weak draft. It's not like there are exactly 5 HOFers drafted every year. Sometimes 1, sometimes 10 in a draft class.

2024 was so strong that nearly all the QBs who are first/high round NFL picks for 2025 (Sanders, Ward, Ewers, Milroe, etc) stayed out of 2024 and went back to school as they'd have been late/non drafted (yet first/early a year later). They - and their agents - knew they had almost no hope with the strength of the 2024 guys. That tells you something.

1989? I'll be happy if 2 QBs turn out to be good, if 1989 is your standard you're liable to be disappointed. Could it happen? Sure. Is that likely? Not at all.



But hey, if it happens I'll be sure to remind everyone that you called it!

[Floridacardguy]

Originally Posted by bub838

My Target Megas came in

Nice hit! Mine too

Only bought 3 boxes how many did you get?

[bub838]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

Nice hit! Mine too

Only bought 3 boxes how many did you get?

Three as well, too. Also some blasters that were underwhelming.

[Slvnumber2]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

Nice hit! Mine too

Only bought 3 boxes how many did you get?

Nice hits. Opened some Target megas a week ago and hit the Pink Daniels and Nix. Sold them at our local show when Daniels comps were $500+ and Nix was $90. Got $500 and $80 respectively for them and got lucky. 3 days later Daniels pink was down to $300 then $225 and now $150-160.��

[mikejones]

Prizm megas up on target..........

[slyguy]

Originally Posted by mikejones

Prizm megas up on target..........

Yeah, they are periodically sold out... but then back up the next day typically for most major sellers. Mega 2024s pop in and out of stock at Walmart too. Same for most of the blasters, fat packs, retail box, etc at various places.

I am beginning to regret getting about $15k or $20k of Prizm football this year.
It's obviously really overprinted to the moon.
All one can do at this point is wait a few years and see what happens.

We shall see if 2024 rookie QBs' skill or maybe even a superstar from the class can counteract the huge volume they produced. Dunno. I was hoping they would've sold out retail Prizm a week or two ago. No end in sight.

[nextlevel10]

Same thing happened with Prizm Basketball last year. They were available off and on for quite awhile, long enough for me to get around 300 Megas from Target/Walmart. Kept thinking “am I crazy for buying more” but fast forward less than a year and they climbed to $160-175 each. I’m not worried about it with this years football rookie class, just gotta be patient.

[slyguy]

Originally Posted by nextlevel10

Same thing happened with Prizm Basketball last year. They were available off and on for quite awhile, long enough for me to get around 300 Megas from Target/Walmart. Kept thinking “am I crazy for buying more” but fast forward less than a year and they climbed to $160-175 each. I’m not worried about it with this years football rookie class, just gotta be patient.

Yep, hope so.
I am done buying 2024 football prizm, though. I have a whole lot.

I'm mainly worried if they vastly overprint 2024 nfl Prizm now... AND they do the same on Optic and Select sets upcoming. (Mosaic retail is also nowhere near sold out despite dropped Thanksgiving time).

What's the bball value 23-24 wax... mainly just Wemby, or some others too? (I only really watch nba playoffs anymore). Glad it worked for you.

[yoyosh]

Originally Posted by nextlevel10

Same thing happened with Prizm Basketball last year. They were available off and on for quite awhile, long enough for me to get around 300 Megas from Target/Walmart. Kept thinking “am I crazy for buying more” but fast forward less than a year and they climbed to $160-175 each. I’m not worried about it with this years football rookie class, just gotta be patient.

^^^that part^^^
I feel weird buying this much retail, but I’m not the only one who made a killing on 23-24 Prizm basketball and that stuff is solely reliant on 1 player. Stay the course, fellas!

[nextlevel10]

Originally Posted by slyguy

Yep, hope so.
I am done buying 2024 football prizm, though. I have a whole lot.

I'm mainly worried if they vastly overprint 2024 nfl Prizm now... AND they do the same on Optic and Select sets upcoming. (Mosaic retail is also nowhere near sold out despite dropped Thanksgiving time).

What's the bball value 23-24 wax... Wemby, or some others too? (I only really watch nba playoffs anymore)

I think I’ve heard of Amen Thompson possibly being a rising star now but other than that it has pretty much been Wemby or bust when it comes to the basketball Prizm. The football rookie class is deeper and has a ton of potential.

[nextlevel10]

Originally Posted by yoyosh

^^^that part^^^
I feel weird buying this much retail, but I’m not the only one who made a killing on 23-24 Prizm basketball and that stuff is solely reliant on 1 player. Stay the course, fellas!

Exactly, I keep adding any chance I get! I’m scared to think about how much I’d have if Walmart/Target didn’t have their limits, but I also think all of the restocks would be long gone if it weren’t for the limits so it all works itself out. Going to do my best to not look at this stuff until at least summer time, it worked out great with basketball!

[slyguy]

Originally Posted by nextlevel10

I think I’ve heard of Amen Thompson possibly being a rising star now but other than that it has pretty much been Wemby or bust when it comes to the basketball Prizm. The football rookie class is deeper and has a ton of potential.

Oh, for sure.

It only takes one.

It's a SUPERstar system in terms of card prices, volume, demand... no doubt.

I plan to just sit on them at least a few years before even checking on prices of the wax. I can't imagine they'll go down, but overprinting sure neuters the potential on the supply side. I want this part of seeing them constantly re-stocked over already. Lol.

[mikejones]

Haven't bought football much since 2017. I think this could be a really good product in the long run. Say a couple of years. It's the last prizm release and the rookie crop is good.

[Bronconation24]

This product is just bad. the checklist is just way too big. There’s no need for old players no one’s heard of and coaches. And the collation is just egregious.

I’ve opened 15+ blasters and 5 megas… haven’t even pulled one btj base card. And a bunch of other worthless cards I’ve seen on the checklist that I haven’t came across.

But hey at least I got my 2 silver Roman Wilson’s

[Slvnumber2]

Originally Posted by Bronconation24

This product is just bad. the checklist is just way too big. There’s no need for old players no one’s heard of and coaches. And the collation is just egregious.

I’ve opened 15+ blasters and 5 megas… haven’t even pulled one btj base card. And a bunch of other worthless cards I’ve seen on the checklist that I haven’t came across.

But hey at least I got my 2 silver Roman Wilson’s

Who is BTJ - Brian Thomas Jr? Pulled a few of his including a silver the other night I am getting graded. Going to the huge Nashville show this weekend and can get Prizm FB graded by either SGC or Beckett. SGC is faster and cheaper but think BGS will sell for more. PSA takes too long to get back. Any suggestions?

Also, has anyone seen any Prizm hangers in the wild yet?

[slyguy]

Originally Posted by Slvnumber2

Who is BTJ - Brian Thomas Jr? Pulled a few of his including a silver the other night I am getting graded. Going to the huge Nashville show this weekend and can get Prizm FB graded by either SGC or Beckett. SGC is faster and cheaper but think BGS will sell for more. PSA takes too long to get back. Any suggestions?

Also, has anyone seen any Prizm hangers in the wild yet?

Sure... suggestion is not to grade young/unproven players.

There are only about 10 or 20 guys (active) in NFL who are worth grading.
You can always grade them later once (if) they have ProBowls, playoff wins, stay healthy, All Pro, HOF candidate, etc.

With the cost of grading, unless you think yourself a "flipper," it just doesn't make sense to be grading rookies, young guys, guys who've done little so far. There are a ton of injuries in football... and even more flops, bad team situations. Think of the people sitting on piles of graded Trey Lance or even Rashee Rice or Trevor Lawrence cards... total waste of money. Those guys will never have much value.

...As to grading company, PSA will add the most value but costs the most. BGS will add some value, good info with subgrades, best looking and thick sturdy slabs. I do most of mine BGS as I like the info. All of the other grading companies are a waste imo... no real value added.

[Slvnumber2]

Originally Posted by slyguy

Sure... suggestion is not to grade young/unproven players.

There are only about 10 or 20 guys (active) in NFL who are worth grading.
You can always grade them later once (if) they have ProBowls, playoff wins, stay healthy, All Pro, HOF candidate, etc.

With the cost of grading, unless you think yourself a "flipper," it just doesn't make sense to be grading rookies, young guys, guys who've done little so far. There are a ton of injuries in football... and even more flops, bad team situations. Think of the people sitting on piles of graded Trey Lance or even Rashee Rice or Trevor Lawrence cards... total waste of money. Those guys will never have much value.

...As to grading company, PSA will add the most value but costs the most. BGS will add some value, good info with subgrades, best looking and thick sturdy slabs. I do most of mine BGS as I like the info. All of the other grading companies are a waste imo... no real value added.

Thank you for the advice. Been doing this a long time mainly with vintage stuff - high grade Mantle’s, Aaron, Bench, Mays, Ryan’s… busted some Prizm football and Bowman draft and got lucky with some big rookies and autos which I am going to grade and flip to create $$ for vintage. Cheaper ones going to SGC this weekend since I can grade them for $12-15 each, and cards that are $200+ going to BGS. I like the subs on BGS as well.