2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

This is a real problem that those who are rioting and looting don’t care about. Who in their right mind would choose to live in a city like Minneapolis after this?

Or do business there. Businesses may not be leaving the city (yet), but I'd be hesitant to start a new business in the city at this point. That'll hurt the local economy and reduce the number of available jobs. Violence and destruction aren't viable solutions. I'm not even sure people think that such acts are going to prompt change. I think it's just savages coming out to play knowing there is very little possibility for consequence.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by Clark

There are a lot of nice small cities and towns in the US! No way I would invest in major democratically run city with the current political division.

No doubt. My wife and I have picked out a couple spots in Oregon. Quiet, safe, clean, great schools, beautiful area... everything I could ever want. I hate major cities. I went to school in Philly, lived in Philly briefly, and now, when I'm not at my home office, work in Philly. It's a dump. It's loud, it smells, there's trash everywhere. My wife's sister and brother-in-law live in Washington, and we try to visit every summer. It's so beautiful and clean out there.

[trixstar]

Literally one of the dumber things he’s done

[Onions]

Originally Posted by jdandns

Let me help you with this.
In all of the above cases, imagine those who were killed were White people and that they were all killed in the same manner for the same needless reason. The legal outcomes would be far, far different just in that scenario. Now imagine that in every case, it was Black officers (or a useless vigilante loser in the Zimmerman case) and that they each suffered no consequences for their reckless actions. You'd be taking it to the streets, too.

Do you have any data to back this up?

[Onions]

Almost no cops go to jail, no matter what color of person they may have shot.

[Clark]

Originally Posted by Clark

While the current political uprisings is being led by BLM, it involves a lot other groups (aka identity politics) that have joined in because they feel aggrieved by "the system".

If I didn't watch live streams over the last 5 days of people rioting, burning, looting, and killing I might agree that it is laughable. When I examine the demographics, the communication, and the actions, I believe there is something a little bigger going on.

It could eventually fizzle or burn out, but I don't see any indicators currently.

I saw the postings regarding the Kenosha shootings over the last few days. I decided not to post, and to avoid discussion entirely in order to let more info come out.

I watched the whole thing unfold live on my TV, and I am still shaking my head in disbelief that these events occurred in 2020.

Here is a link to eyewitness accounts (the guys streaming on the internet). I believe it is the most accurate to date.

https://dailycaller.com/2020/08/27/w...ally-happened/

[NoleinJax]

Originally Posted by jk1937

only problem here, is as we have seen in Atlanta and now Wisconsin, you can have a video and people on one side see it one way and people on the other side see it the exact opposite. body cams will def help but in todays world video is no longer "what happened" unfortunately. its now what "i believe" happened and how "i believe" it should have been handled.

They had video of the guy in Minnesota who shot himself and people still looted after and you have people still blaming the police because they were chasing him (an accused murderer). Part of me wishes they chose one city to try this no police crap in and give anyone who wants to join time to move there and anyone that wants to leave time to leave along with assistance if needed to leave. Then wall off that new socialist utopia so they can show us how real communism works on a small level, but they can't even run a few blocks so that city wouldn't last a month before people would be trying to escape the madness.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by trixstar

Literally one of the dumber things he’s done

His plan is to then eliminate the tax altogether.

No word yet on who he plans to sue when the bills come due however. Maybe he can dip into his wall project funds.

It's an asinine plan from someone without much of a plan.

[NoleinJax]

Originally Posted by Clark

There are a lot of nice small cities and towns in the US! No way I would invest in major democratically run city with the current political division.



That is because those aggreived have no sense of ownership, and it is hard for them to buy in. For me, the civil uprisings, while being lead by BLM, are forming into class divisions.

I keep hearing that, but a good bit of the BLM protestors are middle-class and up. They scream "eat the rich" yet destroy middle and lower-class areas of these cities. They don't go after the rich they claim to want to eat. They go after people living paycheck to paycheck or those who busted their butts to open a small business, but are far from rich. This isn't about class. This is about destruction of "the system".

[Corporal Lance]

The last, and probably the last, time I went to Minneapolis was 4 years ago.

I was there for business. Stayed at the Hyatt, if I remember correctly.

Went to day one and two of the conference. Everything OK. Went and saw Ween the first night, was planning on being at Echo and the Bunnymen night two.

Guy I was hanging with at the conferences suggested going to a bar. He was obviously gay, knew I wasn't, but thought we'd have a few drinks. No problem. I have no problem with gay people. Left before him, never sen a bar like that before....

Got jumped literally a block away by 3 Somalian men on bicycles. How do I know they were Somalian? If you don't, you're an idiot. It's called facial architecture and skin tone.

Tried to resist, and got beaten up, and I'm 6'4, 250 lbs. Didn't want to die. Gave them my wallet, etc.

Called to police, and they basically said "Well, this happens all the time here now in Minneapolis. This town has gone to hell." But of course they did their due diligence. Never did find the suspects. The plane ride back was interesting, as I had no form of ID, but TSA was very thorough, and cool.

It's kind of funny. I visited Minneapolis/St. Paul many times as a child because my mother's best friend lived there. We would hunt for Schlitz cans in the creek for their various designs. We listened to the Partridge Family, and watched Slim Goodbody.

The next time I go to Minneapolis, I'm packing. So sad.

[majestik101]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

Houdini just hit Obama cut in Transcendent case.

100% auto-penned.

[rcmb3220]

Before anyone thinks of defending Rittenhouse, ask yourself if you’d trade places with him. Guilty or innocent, would you make the same decisions he made to get to this point?

[Corporal Lance]

Originally Posted by rcmb3220

Before anyone thinks of defending Rittenhouse, ask yourself if you’d trade places with him. Guilty or innocent, would you make the same decisions he made to get to this point?

No. Why would I trade places with him? My life is f'ing great.

To the second point, that is a tough question. You have a person whose prefrontal cortex has not developed fully, in these ridiculous time, and there probably was a degree of thinking he was defending something.

Does that excuse it? No. He should go to jail, if based on all the information the biased media has put out there. Like any murderer. But therein lies the problem...we don't know everything, and we are more than willing to be judge, jury, and executioner.

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by rcmb3220

Before anyone thinks of defending Rittenhouse, ask yourself if you’d trade places with him. Guilty or innocent, would you make the same decisions he made to get to this point?

So people can’t defend Blake unless they would want to trade places with him or make the same choices he made?

[Clark]

Originally Posted by NoleinJax

I keep hearing that, but a good bit of the BLM protestors are middle-class and up. They scream "eat the rich" yet destroy middle and lower-class areas of these cities. They don't go after the rich they claim to want to eat. They go after people living paycheck to paycheck or those who busted their butts to open a small business, but are far from rich. This isn't about class. This is about destruction of "the system".

Good points, but how do you know their economic status?

IMHO, there are too many people feeling disillusioned. They get caught up in a mob mentality that they feel gives them a voice.

[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

So people can’t defend Blake unless they would want to trade places with him or make the same choices he made?

People are free to defend Blake’s choices. They are not defensible, but I’ll listen. Rittenhouse’s choices are much more premeditated.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by rcmb3220

Before anyone thinks of defending Rittenhouse, ask yourself if you’d trade places with him. Guilty or innocent, would you make the same decisions he made to get to this point?

Are you suggesting that the bar for guilty/not guilty is whether I would make the same decisions? If that's the case everyone there protesting is guilty because I would never have made the decision to even show up.

[Corporal Lance]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

So people can’t defend Blake unless they would want to trade places with him or make the same choices he made?

I tried so hard to put "Stupid Marriage" embedded into my response. I guess I will just have to go the way of the dinosaur. It's such a great song.

[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

Are you suggesting that the bar for guilty/not guilty is whether I would make the same decisions? If that's the case everyone there protesting is guilty because I would never have made the decision to even show up.

That’s not what I’m saying.

[jlzinck]

Originally Posted by jdandns

Like that time I pointed out "social distancing" had been a commonly used phrase for years after you swore up and down it was a newly minted term prompting you to run off and hide for a week instead of just admitting your mistake?

Nah, I wouldn't do that to you.

Some crazies will vote for Biden.
Some crazies will vote for Trump.
Very few racists will vote for Biden.
Nearly all racists will vote for Trump.

This does not mean voting for Trump makes someone racist, and I never said it did.

I'm told Boston and Massachusetts is a racist place. Biden will carry 75% minimum.

Please explain

kthanksbye

[Corporal Lance]

Originally Posted by rcmb3220

That’s not what I’m saying.

What are you saying then? At least be concise, and clear.

[Clark]

Originally Posted by rcmb3220

Before anyone thinks of defending Rittenhouse, ask yourself if you’d trade places with him.

0%

Guilty or innocent, would you make the same decisions he made to get to this point?

We don't know the decisions he made or didn't.

After watching it unfold, I turned to social media to find more detail. I was very disturbed by the conclusions people were promoting.

[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by Corporal Lance

What are you saying then? At least be concise, and clear.

I’m not sure how I can be more clear. How about defend his choices? I’m not asking to pretend to defend him in court. Try to defend what led him to be holding an AR in Kenosha that night.

[AwesomeBrian]

https://keepamericagreat.com/

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by jlzinck

I'm told Boston and Massachusetts is a racist place. Biden will carry 75% minimum.

Please explain

kthanksbye

David Duke agrees.