Ronald Acuña

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by Raleigh504

Is it me, or is his base PSA 10s are dipping now?

Earlier this month they were selling for $250+ it seemed and now they are between $200-$230s. I am not complaining since I scooped up two for $201 each last night ($215 with fees and shipping) and sold one earlier this month for just over that.

I assuming you’re talking about US250? His prices are leveling off a bit, but still up from the off season. Other players have seen a bigger dip.

This one ended at $240 just the other day. Acuna is about as blue-chip as it gets for ultra modern players.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/203405049497

[jaluncefo]

I don’t see the final sale of the us250 white. Anyone know if it went over the $9400 bid?


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[wharfrat7624]

Originally Posted by jaluncefo

I don’t see the final sale of the us250 white. Anyone know if it went over the $9400 bid?


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$9,601

https://www.ebay.com/itm/124697273406


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[pewe]

Originally Posted by SaltyCracker

If Acuna keeps his K% where it’s at currently for the rest of the season I think he’ll hit .350. His BABIP is under his career average. Been getting pretty unlucky lately.

Totally! His xBA is a shocking .395... so .350 would be underperforming


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[arod305]

I will confirm here when the White Jersey is paid for. I may unload another in the next few weeks. I bought this card heavy (6 total) when I wanted to add more Acuna exposure in January. Tracking some of his "better" cards historically it seemed as if the white jersey hadn't moved but his 17 BC doubled in the past year.

Long term I think his 2018 Update "Rarer" variations still have great value. Indy, Black, Fathers Day, SSP.

[phisouza33]

Steal some bags Ron

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

That's fine if it's interesting to them I guess but it's inconsequential to me. I don't give two s**ts about launch angles or expected BA or WAR or whatever other statistic these computer nerds are making up today.

It's either a HR or it isn't. If it isn't a HR I don't need to know how fast it traveled or how hard it was hit and that it SHOULD have been a HR. I can clearly see with my own eyes that it almost went out. That's the end of it. Not some mythological combination of numbers that tell me something that doesn't even matter.

They don't mean anything to me either to be clear, but at the same time whatever people like is fine, it's still the same game, Acuna is doing the same thing Mantle was, swinging a piece of wood at a ball thrown by a guy 60 1/2 feet away.

[SaltyCracker]

Originally Posted by pewe

Totally! His xBA is a shocking .395... so .350 would be underperforming


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I wish ZIPS would let you input hypothetical values to see how it effects the rest of the projection. It would be fun to play with the numbers.

[SaltyCracker]

Originally Posted by arod305

I will confirm here when the White Jersey is paid for. I may unload another in the next few weeks. I bought this card heavy (6 total) when I wanted to add more Acuna exposure in January. Tracking some of his "better" cards historically it seemed as if the white jersey hadn't moved but his 17 BC doubled in the past year.

Long term I think his 2018 Update "Rarer" variations still have great value. Indy, Black, Fathers Day, SSP.

Congrats on the strong sale!! Smart move picking those up.

[jswest18]

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

Yeah I don't know why I'm so antagonistic today. Sorry about that. Having a grumpy old man get off my lawn kind of day.

Ha no worries my friend. We all have strong opinions about certain things!

[jswest18]

Originally Posted by pewe

Depends on what you are trying to measure... if you are trying to measure what happened you might care about something different than if what you care about is actual level of skill, or what you might expect to happen in the future if the current level of performance is maintained


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Yes there are several facets to the stat. I like to look at xBA, EV, Hard Hit rate, etc., at times because it gives a good picture of whether a player is actually seeing the ball well but getting "unlucky" or whether that player is really struggling at the plate. Not all 2-20 spells are created equal. Freddie and Ronnie are good examples of that right now. Ronnie is hitting .231 over the last 7 days while Freddie is hitting .241. Neither are good but there's no question Ronnie is just missing and could very easily have had a monster week whereas Freddie just looks lost at the plate. Now I don't have to look at advanced stats to see that. You can see it just watching their ABs. But if I miss a game or can't watch it live then it's nice to look at that other stuff to get an idea of what their ABs looked like.

[chris_ac]

Originally Posted by phisouza33

Steal some bags Ron

I'm waning on this thought process. I like the 40/40 prophecy like most here, but after watching the aggressive pickoff attempts on him, I swear more than most players that get to 1st, I'm leaning towards just easing up. We all know he's fast and can keep that tool towards fielding and scoring runs.

[ScooterD]

I have these on the way from an eBay purchase. Was a bad listing (IMO)- didn’t say purple or silver



I’m still looking for the logo swap variation

[jswest18]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

I agree with you. If a guy hits .310, 35 HR and drives in 120 but his launch angles and exit velo isn’t that high, who cares? Does that mean the guy sucks?
Unfortunately I think it does to some people.


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No one would really care in that season. That would just be a great season. Of course 9 times out of 10 a player who hits .310 and 35 HRs would have had a season where their exit velo and LA reached a certain level to produce those results.

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

No one can predict sustainability. Injuries play a large role in whether or not a player has a long HOF career or a solid AS caliber career. There are a large number of players who have played long careers and sustained numbers, many in the HOF who no one cared about metrics. The numbers spoke for themselves. If the ball goes over the fence at 350 versus 406 who cares? If a double was 103 mph off the bat or 118 who cares? Results matter. A guy hitting .350 who had 225 hits in a season would be panned in today’s fandom simply because his stats aren’t sexy enough, whereas it used to spell out greatness. Tony Gwynn was a better hitter than everyone in the league today, yet if he were playing today with the same stats he’d be considered below the stars we have. Mark McGwire would be worshipped even with a sub .300 avg. I like Acuna and guys like the crop of young players in the league, but if we are speaking of sustainability we have to consider with the injuries and all the youth ball that they played those things will factor in to sustainable stats. Guys used to not play year round travel ball starting at 8 like they have the past two decades. It’s why pitchers have shorter shelf lives and have multiple TJ by their early 20s. Guys who are 19-22 coking into the league with nagging injuries won’t be around 18-20 years like we used to see. Tatis (for example) hasn’t played a full season yet at his age, hie. An anyone assume or predict he will sustain a long career with great numbers? Same can be said for Soto. We see what it has done to Harper and Bryant - although both are having great years, they haven’t sustained early success.


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Using advanced metrics to predict sustainability has nothing to do with injuries. Those are used purely to predict whether a player is likely or not to continue to produce at a certain level assuming he is not injured.

If a guy hit .342 over a 13 year stretch, flirted with .400 for an entire season, hit over .370 three different seasons and stole nearly 300 bases during that stretch then he would be just as appreciated as Gwynn was during his career. Advanced metrics or not, he was overshadowed by the power hitters or flashier players during his generation as well but he was still considered one of the best in the game as he should have been.

McGwire WAS worshipped at times his in career when he was breaking HR records. He wouldn't be more admired in today's game than he was then.

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

Baseball is not a sprint, it’s a marathon. Longevity should be the major factor in determining greatness, not hit streaks or 4-5 peak WAR seasons. My reference was to HOF and metrics like WAR, OPS+, launch angle etc and no one caring for 70-80 years of baseball. All of the sudden we care about the launch of a baseball. When Aaron broke Ruth’s record he wasn’t in a lab measuring angles. No one can predict when a player becomes great, or when they will break out of a funk. We think we can because we read numbers. No one saw Mercedes becoming what he has, whereas everyone was predicting huge numbers for many stars. Any computer models predict Lindors year? Nope.
Bryant’s resurgence? Nope. People wrote Bryant off.
They are doing the same to Bellinger even though he was an MVP two years ago. People tend to let stat cast determine greatness of a player too often.


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Every area of life changes with technology and new ways to analyze or view things. Baseball is no different. While I agree that it can be relied on way too much and there are pockets of baseball where it has taken over to a point where I don't like, there have been benefits to it as well. Talk to Justin Verlander about what advanced metrics and analytics did for his career. Or Luke Voigt. Again, just with everything else, if there's a balance then it can be beneficial.

[jswest18]

Originally Posted by phisouza33

Steal some bags Ron

I think he was still having some lingering concerns with his abdominal when he first came back. There were a few occasions where he was on 1st and it was a perfect time to steal but he didn't even have a lead far enough off to have to dive back when the pitcher threw over. Once he starts getting on base again at a higher clip then I expect him to start stealing again.

[pewe]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

“Fire in his eyes.” Once WAR can calculate that, I’ll respect it

Bichette is arguing for “beautiful hair” being the next added metric


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[pewe]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

Baseball is not a sprint, it’s a marathon. Longevity should be the major factor in determining greatness, not hit streaks or 4-5 peak WAR seasons. My reference was to HOF and metrics like WAR, OPS+, launch angle etc and no one caring for 70-80 years of baseball. All of the sudden we care about the launch of a baseball. When Aaron broke Ruth’s record he wasn’t in a lab measuring angles. No one can predict when a player becomes great, or when they will break out of a funk. We think we can because we read numbers. No one saw Mercedes becoming what he has, whereas everyone was predicting huge numbers for many stars. Any computer models predict Lindors year? Nope.
Bryant’s resurgence? Nope. People wrote Bryant off.
They are doing the same to Bellinger even though he was an MVP two years ago. People tend to let stat cast determine greatness of a player too often.


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I think you and I consider the predictive element differently

I think about it like this: is the current actual performance better or worse or about what we should expect. And thus over the coming games will they likely continue to see outcomes at the same, better, or worse level. If a player hits 5 HR in a week, what do we expect they’ll hit next week? If they go 12 - 24 at bat, or 2 - 24, or 7 - 24... what are they likely to do next week?

Re: Mercedes... looking at his 2019 numbers in AA and AAA (I don’t know what he did, if anything in 2020)... they seem to suggest his current 2021 xwOBA is about what we’d expect...

Re: Bryant... he too is pretty similar xwOBA vs. his pre 2020 years’ wOBA... maybe a little better than ‘18-19... although this years’ sample size is pretty small, because most of his 2021 benefit is driven by a few more barrels than he got then... he’s had about 5 more hard hit balls than expected out of 31 so far this year


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[Raleigh504]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

I assuming you’re talking about US250? His prices are leveling off a bit, but still up from the off season. Other players have seen a bigger dip.

This one ended at $240 just the other day. Acuna is about as blue-chip as it gets for ultra modern players.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/203405049497

Yes I am. I agree and Soto too are definite blue chip modern players. Just curious to see a dip in prices when he is playing well this year so far.

[HarryLime]

Why do people that hate things always think the rest of the world really wants to hear all about it?

Arthur

[goldfly]

[dream34]

Originally Posted by goldfly

Amen!

Let's get 5 more of these this season!

[pewe]

Originally Posted by goldfly

Here is the article: https://www.mlb.com/news/ronald-acun...r-of-the-month


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[SaltyCracker]

Well deserved Player of the month.

Acuna mailday:

2018 International Affair Black /299


2018 Heritage Action Variation

[ThoseBackPages]

RONNY!!!!!!

[tedwilliamsfan]

Well deserved Player of the Month for Ronnie. How about five more this year, I'd be happy. Go Acuna!!!