Patrick Mahomes Prices

[Pringle10]

Anyone looking for some 2018 Mahomes looking to move a couple to pick up an auto, thought I would check with the Mahomes crowd.

[mc1]

18-19 Prizm NBA was not as low as $120. It was $200-250. Still, the point stands. It was not as expensive and It was not over printed as much as 19-20 and beyond.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by jacksonjj

The autos are not numbered so there is no official number. More can certainly be out there.

Thank you for the information. I wasn't clear about this. Much appreciated.


So...........Your saying there's a chance

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by mc1

18-19 Prizm NBA was not as low as $120. It was $200-250. Still, the point stands. It was not as expensive and It was not over printed as much as 19-20 and beyond.

'18-19 Prizm was definitely $120. I bought 3 FOTL for $120 from Panini and regular hobby boxes were $120-150 at my LCS pretty much until Luka prices started taking off his 2nd year. Target had a bunch of Prizm blasters sitting on shelves for $20-25 for a long long time, too.

[blackbears86]

I remember buying the 2017 FOTL FB boxes and thinking it was a waste of money, but I was hooked on prizm at that point and had been working on my 2012 Prizm FB set in green.

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

I remember buying the 2017 FOTL FB boxes and thinking it was a waste of money, but I was hooked on prizm at that point and had been working on my 2012 Prizm FB set in green.

Haha. When I moved to Houston in 2017, I went to my first LSC here and the guy was selling 2017 Prizm packs for $15 each. I was thinking, is this guy out of his mind?!?! Ended up buying a few at $12 and still felt like I got robbed.

[Stifle]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

[/B]

When you think about it, 2017-18 were two fantastic years in the "big three" sports.

In 2017 Baseball: Judge
In 2018 Baseball: Ohtani/Soto/Acuna

In 2017 Football: Patty
in 2018 Football: Allen/Lam Jack and recently Saquon

In 2017 Basketball: Tatum and a little Donovan Mitchell
In 2018 Basketball: Luka/Shai/Brunson, etc...



Honestly, the best two years across all three major sports likely ever.

That is a big statement if I’m able to choose “ALL” sports for a 2 consecutive season choice.
NHL 79 Wayne G!
NBA 80 Tri card - Magic/Bird/Dr J.
MLB Rickey Henderson
Soccer Diego Maradona
This is off the top of my head but I’m sure there were other significant cards / players in 79/80.

After looking, 1958 :
Soccer : Pele RC
NBA : Bill Russell
NHL : Bobby Hull RC
NFL : Jim Brown RC

[boxbuster7]

dang...I was just getting back into the hobby

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by Stifle

That is a big statement if I’m able to choose “ALL” sports for a 2 consecutive season choice.
NHL 79 Wayne G!
NBA 80 Tri card - Magic/Bird/Dr J.
MLB Rickey Henderson
Soccer Diego Maradona
This is off the top of my head but I’m sure there were other significant cards / players in 79/80.

After looking, 1958 :
Soccer : Pele RC
NBA : Bill Russell
NHL : Bobby Hull RC
NFL : Jim Brown RC

LOL. sure, comparable.

[tjforce]

Speaking of 'iffy' things on eBay, here's an item being mis-represented:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/37595689374...Bk9SR_qzyKqWZQ

While that is one of the 54 balls made for the Super Bowl, it was not one used in the game, as evidenced by the lack of referee markings on the ball. The seller knows this (as evidenced by the description citing referee markings in his other postings) and is choosing to omit it. There is also no COA, which the game used ones typically come with.

What this is, is a ball that was used in practice that week but didn't make the game. Very shady by the seller to insinuated that this was used in the game. How do I know what a Game Used, COA'd Game Used Ball from Mahomes first Super Bowl looks like? I present to you my latest pick up, to go along with my pick up from several years ago:





I figured there will never be enough Game Used Footballs from Mahomes' first Super Bowl to go around, so why not have two? Both have COAs from the NFL as well, referee markings, and PSA/DNA tracking, and I've been able to photo match one of the two (which is tougher with footballs prior to 2020).

[slyguy]

Originally Posted by Pringle10

Anyone looking for some 2018 Mahomes looking to move a couple to pick up an auto, thought I would check with the Mahomes crowd.

Graded or non?

Now is the time to sell Mahomes... post pics in card sale trade forum?

It's take many more than a couple 2018 Mahomes to pick up a Mahomes auto. Probably 100?

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by slyguy

Graded or non?

Now is the time to sell Mahomes... post pics in card sale trade forum?

It's take many more than a couple 2018 Mahomes to pick up a Mahomes auto. Probably 100?

Odd general statement. There are plenty of 2018 cards that are worth as much as an auto.

[slyguy]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

Odd general statement. There are plenty of 2018 cards that are worth as much as an auto.

Uh, I would say no.

You won't sniff a pro Mahomes auto (auth guaranteed, from a pack, Panini) under about $1k anymore. It's many times more for good autos (RC auto, Panini black, graded, patch autos, numbered, etc). The wax with his auto chance also reflect this; barely any recent years' sets even have any chance at Mahomes auto. For half that auto price (~$500 or less), you might find a whole lot that are reprints or 'facsmile auto' or totally fake or questionable that he may have signed the card in-person (good luck on those... often come complete with fake COA for the fake auto). Anything that has value or sells a lot gets faked... but that's not the goal, obviously.

Very few 2018 second year cards of Mahomes are worth that price of his real autos. I would say well under 1% of his 2018 Panini cards overall. Some /25, /10, patch, etc from 2018 try for those prices... few actually get it. They exist (2018 Mahomes worth more than a real Mahomes auto), but "plenty"? Cmon. They are the case hit and low # or super high end stuff like Immac and Flawless and NT hobby stuff.

Normal PSA 10 prizm Mahomes 2018 would take 10-15 of them to be worth a decent Mahomes auto. Triple or 10x that if they're psa9 or 8s of same. And yeah, a silver prizm 2018 Mahomes slabbed psa 10 is worth an auto or two of his... but there are only 20 of those in psa10 registry. So, again... "plenty"? Nah.

...Were you talking about Leaf generic autos or trust-me-bro signed merch from his college days or something?
Because any sharpie auto on a KC Mahomes card with "COA" that you see on eBay is highly questionable at best. It's the most faked stuff out there (even some slabbed+graded fake PM2 autos).

[weeds73]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Speaking of 'iffy' things on eBay, here's an item being mis-represented:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/37595689374...Bk9SR_qzyKqWZQ

While that is one of the 54 balls made for the Super Bowl, it was not one used in the game, as evidenced by the lack of referee markings on the ball. The seller knows this (as evidenced by the description citing referee markings in his other postings) and is choosing to omit it. There is also no COA, which the game used ones typically come with.

What this is, is a ball that was used in practice that week but didn't make the game. Very shady by the seller to insinuated that this was used in the game. How do I know what a Game Used, COA'd Game Used Ball from Mahomes first Super Bowl looks like? I present to you my latest pick up, to go along with my pick up from several years ago:





I figured there will never be enough Game Used Footballs from Mahomes' first Super Bowl to go around, so why not have two? Both have COAs from the NFL as well, referee markings, and PSA/DNA tracking, and I've been able to photo match one of the two (which is tougher with footballs prior to 2020).

Congrats. Great pick up. What is a referee marking?


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[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by slyguy

Uh, I would say no.

You won't sniff a pro Mahomes auto (auth guaranteed, from a pack, Panini) under about $1k anymore. It's many times more for good autos (RC auto, Panini black, graded, patch autos, numbered, etc). The wax with his auto chance also reflect this; barely any recent years' sets even have any chance at Mahomes auto. For half that auto price (~$500 or less), you might find a whole lot that are reprints or 'facsmile auto' or totally fake or questionable that he may have signed the card in-person (good luck on those... often come complete with fake COA for the fake auto). Anything that has value or sells a lot gets faked... but that's not the goal, obviously.

Very few 2018 second year cards of Mahomes are worth that price of his real autos. I would say well under 1% of his 2018 Panini cards overall. Some /25, /10, patch, etc from 2018 try for those prices... few actually get it. They exist (2018 Mahomes worth more than a real Mahomes auto), but "plenty"? Cmon. They are the case hit and low # or super high end stuff like Immac and Flawless and NT hobby stuff.

Normal PSA 10 prizm Mahomes 2018 would take 10-15 of them to be worth a decent Mahomes auto. Triple or 10x that if they're psa9 or 8s of same. And yeah, a silver prizm 2018 Mahomes slabbed psa 10 is worth an auto or two of his... but there are only 20 of those in psa10 registry. So, again... "plenty"? Nah.

...Were you talking about Leaf generic autos or trust-me-bro signed merch from his college days or something?
Because any sharpie auto on a KC Mahomes card with "COA" that you see on eBay is highly questionable at best. It's the most faked stuff out there (even some slabbed+graded fake PM2 autos).

I'm not sure who you think you're talking to. Trust me, I'm well aware of the Mahomes market. Saying it would take 100 cards from 2018 to buy an auto is uneducated and just plain wrong without more information.

Would a 2018 Kaboom get you an auto? Yes
Would a 2018 Downtown get you an auto? Yes
Would a Gold Prizm get you an auto? Yes
Hell, a 2018 Obsidian /100 sold for $2250 last month.

I know you're new but before you come in here acting like you know everything, maybe do a little research.

[pejc300]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

I'm not sure who you think you're talking to. Trust me, I'm well aware of the Mahomes market. Saying it would take 100 cards from 2018 to buy an auto is uneducated and just plain wrong without more information.

Would a 2018 Kaboom get you an auto? Yes
Would a 2018 Downtown get you an auto? Yes
Would a Gold Prizm get you an auto? Yes
Hell, a 2018 Obsidian /100 sold for $2250 last month.

I know you're new but before you come in here acting like you know everything, maybe do a little research.

I called this guy as a PBM when he first came on the scene, and this most recent post has confirmed. He has no clue what he's talking about.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by weeds73

Congrats. Great pick up. What is a referee marking?


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The balls that get in the game have markings (in this case, the number 52 in silver ink underneath the Chiefs logo) that verify the ball has been inspected by the ref and is game ready.

[jjrpilot]

Ok tricky question for you gents:

Will Mahomes cards go up IF he three-peats and if so by how much?

Is a three-peat already built into his current prices?

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by jjrpilot

Ok tricky question for you gents:

Will Mahomes cards go up IF he three-peats and if so by how much?

Is a three-peat already built into his current prices?

I can't really give a blanket answer because not all cards behave the same....There's markets within markets of GOAT tiered guys.

You may very well see a small price bump, then drop in some of the more common stuff, as people start to unload thinking that a 3 peat as as high as they can go.

On the other end of the spectrum, the ultra rare and collectable stuff just keeps disappearing into collections as he gains of reputation for being the NFL's Michael Jordan. Think about the ultra rare 90's Jordan stuff (PMGs, Credentials, Etc) that never show up and never trade because they belong to a collector that doesn't need money. That's the upside as long as his legend grows.

And then there's the middle ground of stuff that's semi rare to find. Early autos, rare Silvers and Kabooms, etc. Stuff you cant find ending at auction every day, but it comes up occasionally and you'll always know where one is. This probably continues to do well as people say "I want some sort of rookie auto for my collection".

[elontusk1119]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Speaking of 'iffy' things on eBay, here's an item being mis-represented:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/226568780563

While that is one of the 54 balls made for the Super Bowl, it was not one used in the game, as evidenced by the lack of referee markings on the ball. The seller knows this (as evidenced by the description citing referee markings in his other postings) and is choosing to omit it. There is also no COA, which the game used ones typically come with.

What this is, is a ball that was used in practice that week but didn't make the game. Very shady by the seller to insinuated that this was used in the game. How do I know what a Game Used, COA'd Game Used Ball from Mahomes first Super Bowl looks like? I present to you my latest pick up, to go along with my pick up from several years ago:





I figured there will never be enough Game Used Footballs from Mahomes' first Super Bowl to go around, so why not have two? Both have COAs from the NFL as well, referee markings, and PSA/DNA tracking, and I've been able to photo match one of the two (which is tougher with footballs prior to 2020).

Aren't there game used football that has no referee marks? especially the newer ones that has those big fat serial number painted on.

The same seller also sold this recently, looking at his sold history-

https://www.ebay.com/itm/226568780563

I looked up the date ... isn't that Mahomes debut game? it does have referee markings.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by elontusk1119

Aren't there game used football that has no referee marks? especially the newer ones that has those big fat serial number painted on.

The same seller also sold this recently, looking at his sold history-

https://www.ebay.com/itm/226568780563

I looked up the date ... isn't that Mahomes debut game? it does have referee markings.

Correct. The newer balls (with the large numbers) do not have ref markings.

As for the Mahomes debut ball... I've spent many hours researching that particular ball, and have photo matches for balls numbered 1-11 used in that game. Multiple for most. This was ball number 12. There's a chance that it was used in that game and there are just no pictures of it out there, but there is also the chance that they prepped the ball for the game but it never was used. The previous owner of the ball also lost the COA that accompanied it, so he says. If there were a photo match out there, I would have bought it in an instant.

In game used, proof means everything. As many times as I've been tempted to buy something that's not 100% verified, I never do, because it never holds value the same.

[jacksonjj]

Originally Posted by slyguy

Uh, I would say no.

You won't sniff a pro Mahomes auto (auth guaranteed, from a pack, Panini) under about $1k anymore. It's many times more for good autos (RC auto, Panini black, graded, patch autos, numbered, etc). The wax with his auto chance also reflect this; barely any recent years' sets even have any chance at Mahomes auto. For half that auto price (~$500 or less), you might find a whole lot that are reprints or 'facsmile auto' or totally fake or questionable that he may have signed the card in-person (good luck on those... often come complete with fake COA for the fake auto). Anything that has value or sells a lot gets faked... but that's not the goal, obviously.

Very few 2018 second year cards of Mahomes are worth that price of his real autos. I would say well under 1% of his 2018 Panini cards overall. Some /25, /10, patch, etc from 2018 try for those prices... few actually get it. They exist (2018 Mahomes worth more than a real Mahomes auto), but "plenty"? Cmon. They are the case hit and low # or super high end stuff like Immac and Flawless and NT hobby stuff.

Normal PSA 10 prizm Mahomes 2018 would take 10-15 of them to be worth a decent Mahomes auto. Triple or 10x that if they're psa9 or 8s of same. And yeah, a silver prizm 2018 Mahomes slabbed psa 10 is worth an auto or two of his... but there are only 20 of those in psa10 registry. So, again... "plenty"? Nah.

...Were you talking about Leaf generic autos or trust-me-bro signed merch from his college days or something?
Because any sharpie auto on a KC Mahomes card with "COA" that you see on eBay is highly questionable at best. It's the most faked stuff out there (even some slabbed+graded fake PM2 autos).

oh boy. I've read this somewhere before. The presence of someone I've not felt since......(darth vader breath).......

[pejc300]

Originally Posted by tjforce

I can't really give a blanket answer because not all cards behave the same....There's markets within markets of GOAT tiered guys.

You may very well see a small price bump, then drop in some of the more common stuff, as people start to unload thinking that a 3 peat as as high as they can go.

On the other end of the spectrum, the ultra rare and collectable stuff just keeps disappearing into collections as he gains of reputation for being the NFL's Michael Jordan. Think about the ultra rare 90's Jordan stuff (PMGs, Credentials, Etc) that never show up and never trade because they belong to a collector that doesn't need money. That's the upside as long as his legend grows.

And then there's the middle ground of stuff that's semi rare to find. Early autos, rare Silvers and Kabooms, etc. Stuff you cant find ending at auction every day, but it comes up occasionally and you'll always know where one is. This probably continues to do well as people say "I want some sort of rookie auto for my collection".

I think TJ is right here. Some of us have been doing this a long time and I think for the most part we can say that a player's cards tend to go down (sometimes dramatically) AFTER a championship win. In part because there is huge hype going into the Super Bowl, and in part because literally everyone and their mom thinks "he just won the Super Bowl, I'm going to sell my cards now!" and there is a mass flooding that happens.

The ONLY difference here is that we've just never seen a 3 peat in the NFL. Hasn't happened. I could very much see a nice run of 20-25% on stuff if they pull it off. But also, things become old news very fast, and within about 2 weeks post Super Bowl people will be on to baseball and basketball. By that time, the best time to sell would probably be August/September when people are talking about a 4 peat.

[elontusk1119]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Correct. The newer balls (with the large numbers) do not have ref markings.

As for the Mahomes debut ball... I've spent many hours researching that particular ball, and have photo matches for balls numbered 1-11 used in that game. Multiple for most. This was ball number 12. There's a chance that it was used in that game and there are just no pictures of it out there, but there is also the chance that they prepped the ball for the game but it never was used. The previous owner of the ball also lost the COA that accompanied it, so he says. If there were a photo match out there, I would have bought it in an instant.

In game used, proof means everything. As many times as I've been tempted to buy something that's not 100% verified, I never do, because it never holds value the same.

do NFL keep tracks the actual ball numbers in their stats logs or something? You would imagine it must be written down somewhere what balls were in the game.

Same for NBA, now they start using those numbered balls, that information must be logged somewhere.

[jasonm2121]

Not sure if everyone here tracks dual Mahomes, but Flawless Brady Mahomes /5 recently sold for $100, BGS 9.