Patrick Mahomes Prices

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by KardsC1

Call me crazy, but I think this loss was beneficial..had the chiefs won, they might of played flat for the next 3-4 years..mahomes would of been praised like there’s no tomorrow ..he would be walking on water type…now that this loss happened and the fashion it did..the humiliation etc…mahomes will likely demand the front office to make big changes…this single loss can be the cause for them to win 2-3 SBs in the next 5 yrs…so in my book 1 + 3 peat (4 total) vs 5 or 6 total)…I’d take the later

Come back to this post 5 yrs

I'm calling you crazy.


This was the chance for the three-peat, which is unprecedented in modern football. This was the one thing Mahomes could say he did that Brady didn't.

And this chance may never happen again.


Also, you don't know how the team will respond. It could light a fire under their butts, or they could regress. With Patty, I say it will motivate, but who knows.

[daveyc1]

Originally Posted by slyguy

Yes, motivation...

And it also shuts ppl up about the ref nonsense.

It definitely has a silver lining.
The Chiefs' coach and players will work harder.
Vet FAs (KMack? Reddick? DJ Reed? etc) will prob go to KC to chase rings like they used to for Balt, NE, etc.
The rich will get richer.

I get it. now it is a GOOD think KC lost!!! Makes sense.

[daveyc1]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

I'm calling you crazy.


This was the chance for the three-peat, which is unprecedented in modern football. This was the one thing Mahomes could say he did that Brady didn't.

And this chance may never happen again.


Also, you don't know how the team will respond. It could light a fire under their butts, or they could regress. With Patty, I say it will motivate, but who knows.

I couldnt agree more. folks assume that things will continue as they have been. The NFL does not work that way. Off field incidents happen. Injuries happen. At some point, Patrick will get injured. It has happened to all the greats (except Favre) Brady missed a season, peyton missed a season, Montana missed a few seasons.

Natural athletic regression due to age will happen. Patrick will start getting slower. the arm will have a little less zip on it. All of this starts in an athletes 30's. traditionally, by 35 there will be noticeable regression. certainly by the late 30's. Brady has given many false assumptions about players competing at high levels well into their 40's. He was the ultimate outlier. a unicorn. It is very very unlikely that Patrick will be playing at a high level into his 40s.

It is a crazy assumption that Patrick will automatically make another 5 or more SBs in the next 10 years.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by daveyc1

I couldnt agree more. folks assume that things will continue as they have been. The NFL does not work that way. Off field incidents happen. Injuries happen. At some point, Patrick will get injured. It has happened to all the greats (except Favre) Brady missed a season, peyton missed a season, Montana missed a few seasons.

Natural athletic regression due to age will happen. Patrick will start getting slower. the arm will have a little less zip on it. All of this starts in an athletes 30's. traditionally, by 35 there will be noticeable regression. certainly by the late 30's. Brady has given many false assumptions about players competing at high levels well into their 40's. He was the ultimate outlier. a unicorn. It is very very unlikely that Patrick will be playing at a high level into his 40s.

It is a crazy assumption that Patrick will automatically make another 5 or more SBs in the next 10 years.

It's hard to say at this point because Mahomes career is basically "halfway done". It will be interesting to see how things turn out.

When the decline happens with QB's, it's usually telling and we are seeing it with Russell Wilson/Rodgers/Cousins, etc....

I agree, Brady was an outlier. I think people are assuming massive stats on the tail end of careers with QB's playing into their 40's, and that is incredibly difficult.

Again, we don't know what the next chapter is like for Patty. Either way, I'm all set: I have plenty of 2000 and 2017 unopened!

[daveyc1]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

It's hard to say at this point because Mahomes career is basically "halfway done". It will be interesting to see how things turn out.

When the decline happens with QB's, it's usually telling and we are seeing it with Russell Wilson/Rodgers/Cousins, etc....

I agree, Brady was an outlier. I think people are assuming massive stats on the tail end of careers with QB's playing into their 40's, and that is incredibly difficult.

Again, we don't know what the next chapter is like for Patty. Either way, I'm all set: I have plenty of 2000 and 2017 unopened!

I agree, it will be fun to see what the next 10 years hold. for all we know, there is some kid currently playing QB in Middle School who will be greater that both Tom and Patrick!!

and yes, I have seen images of your unopened stash. you are all set either way!!

[Hellcat]

Of the 3 time super bowl champion quarterbacks Kermit has the worst stats of them all in the big game! This will not bode well for his values long term! He got rolled in 2 of his losses and the 3 he won he could have just as easily lost. It could be argued he's not meant for the brightest lights he has a little Lebron in him.

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by JWBlue

I fully expect the Chiefs to be in the Super Bowl I would say 3 out of the next 5 seasons.

AFC is not as strong as it appears. Josh Allen is a one man gang. We know what Lamar is in the playoffs. Bengals are a threat but it will take a few years to shore up that defense. Burrow's durability is a concern.

Detroit went from 3-13-1 to the NFCCG in 2 seasons. Cincy went from 4-11-1 to the Super Bowl in one season. The Rams went from 4-12 to the Super Bowl in 2 seasons.

We have no idea who will be competing for the Super Bowl in the AFC 2 years from now, let alone 5 years from now.

[tjforce]

The great part is, despite the loss, Mahomes still has the greatest start to a career in NFL history.

Hope we all appreciate that.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by Fenway55

Detroit went from 3-13-1 to the NFCCG in 2 seasons. Cincy went from 4-11-1 to the Super Bowl in one season. The Rams went from 4-12 to the Super Bowl in 2 seasons.

We have no idea who will be competing for the Super Bowl in the AFC 2 years from now, let alone 5 years from now.

Absolutely.

About 3 years ago the Chiefs got dumped out of the playoffs by the the Bengals, traded away Tyreek Hill, and everyone (including myself) thought there would be at least a few rebuilding years before they are SB contenders again.

Instead they've made 3/3 Super Bowls and won 2. You know know how it's going to turn out.

[nbahobbyaddict]

Originally Posted by KardsC1

Call me crazy, but I think this loss was beneficial.

Bro that was an a** whooping for the ages. It's a weird argument even if the game was competitive, but that was a historic beat down. You don't want that on your resume and it sure as he11 is not going to help his card prices.

[KardsC1]

Mahomes record is 17-4 in the post season

Out of 21 post season games he played bad in this game and the 2nd half of afc game against bengals

So not shabby for having 19.5 good playing games vs 1.5 bad playing games…I’m sure by this track record, his career is over for some

Casuals may say he’s bad..but people who follow the nfl closely know 1.5 bad games do not define someone

Mahomes card collectors or eventual collectors are not casuals …if your buying his cards, I’m sure you can see thru 1 bad game

[chompie99]

Originally Posted by nbahobbyaddict

Bro that was an a** whooping for the ages. It's a weird argument even if the game was competitive, but that was a historic beat down. You don't want that on your resume and it sure as he11 is not going to help his card prices.

I attended the Chiefs v Patriots game in October 2014 on a Monday night when the Chiefs routed the Patriots on a national stage 41-14. Social media and sports outlets were ablaze the following days saying Patriots run is over and Brady is washed. Of course, the Patriots won the Super Bowl that year and Brady lasted a long time after. So good teams and players can certainly recover from a poor performance. We shall see.

[BostonNut]

Originally Posted by nbahobbyaddict

Bro that was an a** whooping for the ages. It's a weird argument even if the game was competitive, but that was a historic beat down. You don't want that on your resume and it sure as he11 is not going to help his card prices.

Not to mention he’s now got two of those beat downs on his resume, one to the GOAT himself.

[jjrpilot]

Tom Brady was 37 before he won his 4th ring.

Mahomes is 29.

If Mahomes can win won more in 8 years. He'll be fine.

[49erRCCollector]

Originally Posted by chompie99

I attended the Chiefs v Patriots game in October 2014 on a Monday night when the Chiefs routed the Patriots on a national stage 41-14. Social media and sports outlets were ablaze the following days saying Patriots run is over and Brady is washed. Of course, the Patriots won the Super Bowl that year and Brady lasted a long time after. So good teams and players can certainly recover from a poor performance. We shall see.

Losing during the regular season and losing (badly) in the SB are VERY different things.

Not a good comparison.

[MyckKabongo]

I don't know who needs to hear this but I just looked at an NFL.com list of top 25 QBs all time. Of those that took a snap in 2001 or later, Russell Wilson is literally the only one that didn't have at least 1 elite season at 38 or later (he still could do it).

3 turned in great seasons at 40+, one of them being the ole gunslinger himself, the OG mahomes comp.

Even back I'm the 90s when QBs got pummeled more, Elway and Steve Young were Elie in the late 30s.

Odds are very high that he stays elite for at least another 9+ years . Worth noting that Mahomes will benefit from an entire decade yet to come of advances in sport sciences, sports medicine, training, nutrition supplements, etc to help him perform at an elite level in his 40s.

[chompie99]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

Losing during the regular season and losing (badly) in the SB are VERY different things.

Not a good comparison.

So do you feel like it will be harder for the Chiefs to recover from this kind of loss in the Super Bowl with the whole offseason to recover given they have had a history of success in Super Bowls past?

I can’t honestly say I know either way. Motivator or spirit crusher?

[Scottish Punk]

Yeah, I am not falling for the Mahomes is regressing narrative yet. He is going to be 30 next season. He still has at least 3-4 years of peak athletic ability and another few more if he can transition into cerebral (getting the ball out quicker, less running/magic). If that translates into Super Bowls, who knows, that is much bigger team question. He also has been relatively healthy. I do expect a "lost" year at some point. Injury that will knock him out half a season or whatever.

His decline in stats, IMO, has to do with the team makeup more than anything. It is hard to keep stockpiling players when you draft lower. It also seems like KC has spent more draft capital on defense, hence the better, younger defense they have now. A new tackle and a stable running back will do wonders to Patrick's statline. KC's RBs have been absolute crap for the past few years. Pachecho is not a game breaker and too physical to hold up, CEH didn't pan out, etc.

[Jaysabz]

Originally Posted by MyckKabongo

I don't know who needs to hear this but I just looked at an NFL.com list of top 25 QBs all time. Of those that took a snap in 2001 or later, Russell Wilson is literally the only one that didn't have at least 1 elite season at 38 or later (he still could do it).

3 turned in great seasons at 40+, one of them being the ole gunslinger himself, the OG mahomes comp.

Even back I'm the 90s when QBs got pummeled more, Elway and Steve Young were Elie in the late 30s.

Odds are very high that he stays elite for at least another 9+ years . Worth noting that Mahomes will benefit from an entire decade yet to come of advances in sport sciences, sports medicine, training, nutrition supplements, etc to help him perform at an elite level in his 40s.

While sports medicine has come a long way, we've also learned a lot more about head injuries and CTE. We've seen plenty of guys (off the top of my head, Luke Kuechly, JJ Watt, Aaron Donald, Jason Kelce) that still had gas in the tank and could have played in some instances a few - and in other instances - more than just a few - more seasons.

But good players are well compensated these days, and if you are a good player you'll have no problem finding a job that pays quite well (maybe not as well as playing) in your teams' local market, if not on the national stage.

It seems like Fox's panel grows larger every year, more ex-players are getting jobs in the booth, or even hour long shows on the NFL Network, ESPN, local market sports radio, or SiriusXM radio.

It's not like the old days of "Concrete" Chuck Bednarik, who'd work in concrete during the offseason to pay the bills. My mother was a nurse and she worked with Chuck's daughter for years - they were a middle class family. Guy retired in '62 and was first ballot

I can't foresee a guy like Mahomes playing into his 40s given what he's already accomplished. He's always injuring his ankles - he's in the midst of a $400+ million contract...... He should retire before his body starts breaking down, take a job doing pregame for CBS or Amazon or whoever, and he'll still have his mental faculties and be able to physically move around when he's in his late 30s / early 40s....

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by jjrpilot

Tom Brady was 37 before he won his 4th ring.

Mahomes is 29.

If Mahomes can win won more in 8 years. He'll be fine.

Stop being logical!

People keep bringing up Brady but seem to have forgotten that he went 10 years between Super Bowls. Mahomes has had an absolutely incredible start to his career. No one knows if that will continue. But people need to relax - their Brady investments are just fine. No need to be so insecure when they feel his legacy is threatened. I loved watching Brady. I love watching Mahomes. It doesn't have to be one or the other. We can appreciate them both.

[KardsC1]

Mahomes first 7 years is the best including Brady (also including this recent beat down)

The future is all speculation..the haters will say he is washed, the pro mahomes folks will say he will bounce back

Either way it’s fun to speculate ..but at worst he is a top 2-3 of all time and have a decade to move up…

[JRX]

Originally Posted by Jaysabz

While sports medicine has come a long way, we've also learned a lot more about head injuries and CTE. We've seen plenty of guys (off the top of my head, Luke Kuechly, JJ Watt, Aaron Donald, Jason Kelce) that still had gas in the tank and could have played in some instances a few - and in other instances - more than just a few - more seasons.

But good players are well compensated these days, and if you are a good player you'll have no problem finding a job that pays quite well (maybe not as well as playing) in your teams' local market, if not on the national stage.

It seems like Fox's panel grows larger every year, more ex-players are getting jobs in the booth, or even hour long shows on the NFL Network, ESPN, local market sports radio, or SiriusXM radio.

It's not like the old days of "Concrete" Chuck Bednarik, who'd work in concrete during the offseason to pay the bills. My mother was a nurse and she worked with Chuck's daughter for years - they were a middle class family. Guy retired in '62 and was first ballot

I can't foresee a guy like Mahomes playing into his 40s given what he's already accomplished. He's always injuring his ankles - he's in the midst of a $400+ million contract...... He should retire before his body starts breaking down, take a job doing pregame for CBS or Amazon or whoever, and he'll still have his mental faculties and be able to physically move around when he's in his late 30s / early 40s....

The other precedent Brady set it you can make hundreds of millions announcing. I don't think he's close to retiring. Probably will take an injury, coaching turnover, or team just being bad.

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Originally Posted by KardsC1

Mahomes first 7 years is the best including Brady (also including this recent beat down)

The future is all speculation..the haters will say he is washed, the pro mahomes folks will say he will bounce back

Either way it’s fun to speculate ..but at worst he is a top 2-3 of all time and have a decade to move up…

Or move down...

[KardsC1]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHatesJazz

Or move down...

Yeap..but I would wager he will move up…just my opinion

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

Stop being logical!

People keep bringing up Brady but seem to have forgotten that he went 10 years between Super Bowls. Mahomes has had an absolutely incredible start to his career. No one knows if that will continue. But people need to relax - their Brady investments are just fine. No need to be so insecure when they feel his legacy is threatened. I loved watching Brady. I love watching Mahomes. It doesn't have to be one or the other. We can appreciate them both.

I brought it up!