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[SaveMeTheGum]

A great first step in the battle against this nonsense.

Good riddance losers!

[superdan49]

On behalf of BODA, I'd like to declare this case closed.





I will celebrate by opening this SSI Black Label pack I bought. Wish me luck on finding some gems!

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by superdan49

On behalf of BODA, I'd like to declare this case closed.





I will celebrate by opening this SSI Black Label pack I bought. Wish me luck on finding some gems!

Please do share your break results.

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Please do share your break results.

Here you go:

https://forums.collectors.com/discus...vestments-gold

[SaveMeTheGum]

The fact that they sell re-packs is all you really need to know...

[salthill]

Originally Posted by Cavaliercards

Situations like this make me wonder now when we get messages after a sale that state: "As part of the agreement of me purchasing this item I ask you do not disclose my eBay name or real name in purchasing this item or the price. Thank you"

After sale but before payment? In any case it’s meaningless and they can’t hold you to unilaterally added terms. Do you even respond?

[Soxfanguy]

Originally Posted by superdan49

On behalf of BODA, I'd like to declare this case closed.





I will celebrate by opening this SSI Black Label pack I bought. Wish me luck on finding some gems!

Those edges look like they are chipping. Would be a shame if someone trimmed them

[Soxfanguy]

Originally Posted by salthill

After sale but before payment? In any case it’s meaningless and they can’t hold you to unilaterally added terms. Do you even respond?

I ask not I require, so you can do whatever you want

[Saraste]

Originally Posted by superdan49

On behalf of BODA, I'd like to declare this case closed.





I will celebrate by opening this SSI Black Label pack I bought. Wish me luck on finding some gems!

Were the packs searched?

[jlzinck]

Yay so the lowlife and his co-conspirators are gone.

Nothing will change until the money grubbing whores at BGS and PSA take an interest in putting a stop to this.

[blackbears86]

Thanks to the mods and blowout and most of all, those who brought this whole mess to light.

[corndog]

Dan, since you were the OP in both of the SSI threads, you may want to edit the first post in each thread with a timeline of the events, evidence presented, Post numbers of Sliheet's arrogant posts, and the fact that all known SSI BO accounts have now been banned. Include his photo as well.
When a friend, family member, future business partner, vendor or collector Googles his name or SSI, they will be linked to page one and all of the pertinent information will be presented there.

Also you might ask a mod to redo the other thread to include Bill John Sliheet and Nathan Nichols' names for future Google searches.

Your time consuming detective work is very much appreciated!

[Scottish Punk]

Originally Posted by superdan49

I think it is already there, unfortunately. Trimmers will be harder to catch from now on, at least until measuring cards and allowing less wiggle room in size tolerances takes place.

I do think though that the introduction of the BGS 10 Black Label had the unintentional effect of making the trimming a $10 Chrome rookie card that much more lucrative. I think these type of cards were probably trimmed much, much less before the Black Label's creation. But as JMANIA said earlier, this issue is not about one seller or one grading company. We've just reached the one mile mark of a marathon that we likely won't be able to finish running.

I am not sure there is more or less trimming before the TPGs got involved. I do know that since then, there is a much bigger incentive to trim. When a trimmer gets a card in a BGS/PSA holder, it is now legitimate. This is one of the big reasons I don't get those that pay crazy prices for PSA 10s. That and it s a coin flip on whether some of these cards end up a 9 or a 10.

[TrickyNick]

BGS is going to be fine. They're going to add a fifth grade - size. Measure, list and grade size (as compared to listed size).

Just went up another two bucks per card

[TreyLyles]

Good work. You should start a boycott BGS thread next. Have people sign up and state that they will not submit with or buy a BGS card until BGS addresses the concerns of their willingness to continue dealing with Kevin Burge and trimmers like him. If they continue association, they will admit to turn a blind eye and not care about defrauding their customers.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by TreyLyles

Good work. You should start a boycott BGS thread next. Have people sign up and state that they will not submit with or buy a BGS card until BGS addresses the concerns of their willingness to continue dealing with Kevin Burge and trimmers like him. If they continue association, they will admit to turn a blind eye and not care about defrauding their customers.

Yeah but people like their money more than good morals

[SaveMeTheGum]

Originally Posted by TreyLyles

Good work. You should start a boycott BGS thread next. Have people sign up and state that they will not submit with or buy a BGS card until BGS addresses the concerns of their willingness to continue dealing with Kevin Burge and trimmers like him. If they continue association, they will admit to turn a blind eye and not care about defrauding their customers.

I will never use BGS again, but I doubt we can even make a dent in them.

The only way to truly get some traction here is to make sure word gets around at National. You need to get the word out to all the big players. Some are probably on here, but I'm sure many are not. And if they don't care, it won't make a difference, but it's a good place to start.

[Onepocketj]

The thing that really pisses me off is I just sent in an Absolute Brady rookie to BGS. It got a 9.5 and there were only 5 of those in existence out of 173 submitted. If I was anyone else seeing that, after seeing this thread, I would 100% think that it was trimmed and submitted. It wasn't - I bought it years ago in a BCCG 10 holder and sent it in that way. But now there is that doubt in everyone's mind and I don't blame any of them.

[SaveMeTheGum]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

The thing that really pisses me off is I just sent in an Absolute Brady rookie to BGS. It got a 9.5 and there were only 5 of those in existence out of 173 submitted. If I was anyone else seeing that, after seeing this thread, I would 100% think that it was trimmed and submitted. It wasn't - I bought it years ago in a BCCG 10 holder and sent it in that way. But now there is that doubt in everyone's mind and I don't blame any of them.

Also, think how many of those other 4 might be trimmed...

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by SaveMeTheGum

Also, think how many of those other 4 might be trimmed...

Or that one is trimmmed too. Remember there is reason to believe that SSI has been trimming since 2006. Unless you pulled it, there’s no way to truly be certain.

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

Or that one is trimmmed too. Remember there is reason to believe that SSI has been trimming since 2006. Unless you pulled it, there’s no way to truly be certain.

You're right but it's highly doubtful someone would trim a card and then submit it to BCCG IMO. I'd simply send it to BGS at that point. And I bought the card back when it was about $100 so not a huge profit margin either.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

You're right but it's highly doubtful someone would trim a card and then submit it to BCCG IMO. I'd simply send it to BGS at that point. And I bought the card back when it was about $100 so not a huge profit margin either.

BCCG is what BGS offers to bulkers that have cards that dont meet min grade

So the bulker pays a fraction to have it BCCGd rather then having ti returned unslabbed

BCCG is about two grades higher then the real grade

[MFaulkCollector]

Originally Posted by SaveMeTheGum

I will never use BGS again, but I doubt we can even make a dent in them.

The only way to truly get some traction here is to make sure word gets around at National. You need to get the word out to all the big players. Some are probably on here, but I'm sure many are not. And if they don't care, it won't make a difference, but it's a good place to start.

the problem with the whole boycotting BGS......... it's not doing nearly as much damage to them as it's doing to the collector by not submitting

if i have some cards that are higher profile; it's necessary to have them graded..... you get an honest grading opinion if you are a normal submitter, you get a nice slab, you get buyer peace of mind when/if you need to sell

for honest collectors/sellers...... you are just cutting off your nose to spite your face... literally, you arepissing money away

it's a tough pill to swallow for sure but just because a few select people are in bed with BGS..... doesn't mean you shouldn't take care of yourself; and if eventually BGS is so stupid their service isn't worth the cost, they will fold.... .but as for now each person in the hobby should do what is best for themselves and really pay attention to what they are buying

the volume of orders submitted will only decrease when the value of the BGS slab decreases.... as long as buyers of graded bgs cards pay the high premium, orders will keep being shuttled in

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

BCCG is what BGS offers to bulkers that have cards that dont meet min grade

So the bulker pays a fraction to have it BCCGd rather then having ti returned unslabbed

BCCG is about two grades higher then the real grade

I'm not sure that's true. Granted I only sent 7 cards in but I've heard the same from everyone I've talked to. BGS basically guarantees a 9 - I got two 9.5's, four 9's and an 8.5. So one was lower but I'm not complaining.

I've heard others say the same as far as grades go and also BGS making it up to them if one doesn't reach the grade. It is the same graders so that makes sense.

[BradyCollector]

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

Guess who bought this one?



https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...9933&page=5434

Hidden on page 5,434 on Probstein's feedback is this gold nugget of feedback for superiorsportsinv. Note the sale date Jan 12, 2016. Exact title match.

Trimming since 2006 doesn't seem too crazy now.

Is this the reference for the 2006 date for trimming (post 291)? I think it’s a typo, and we are inferring January 2016 (the sale date of the Bradshaw) and not 2006 as the earliest obvious date SSI may have been trimming (Superdan post - Bradshaw card). I just want to clarify if this is right, because 2006 would be devastating if high quality trims were getting past Beckett and PSA that long ago. I don’t think so, at least for Brady rookies the explosion of Bgs 9.5 and 10s is a recent phenomenon. Right now, every BGS card on my Ebay watchlist is graded 2016-present. 2016 is bad enough, as it casts a taint over any recently graded cards. It’s hard to pull the trigger on $2k+ when you can’t be sure ...




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