Did you hear Topps just published a definition of "Rookie Card"? - Page 16

whitmm · 10-28-2022, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

The ONLY reason Topps has given it a definition (and a RC logo) is to capitalize monetarily. There is no other reason! The hobby has had a true definition for decades as to what a rookie card is. The hobby doesn't need Topps' definition.

The hobby also doesn't need your opinions.

You've already made it clear that you don't care what Topps says and that you're not going to use their definitions. Not sure why you're so triggered by it.

Of course there's a financial reasoning behind what they do. They are a for-profit corporation, everything they do is done to capitalize monetarily.

SupermanBrandon · 10-28-2022, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by whitmm

The hobby also doesn't need your opinions.

You've already made it clear that you don't care what Topps says and that you're not going to use their definitions. Not sure why you're so triggered by it.

So only you can comment (over and over and over and over and over again)? Didn’t know you were the authority. Why are you so triggered by opinions? The hobby doesn’t need you.

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whitmm · 10-28-2022, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

So only you can comment (over and over and over and over and over again)? Didn’t know you were the authority. Why are you so triggered by opinions? The hobby doesn’t need you.

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Nothing's stopping you from commenting. I certainly didn't say you couldn't. And you certainly seem to be missing the fact that I've never even suggested that anyone needs to use Topps' definition. But they 100% are allowed to have one. Just like I am, just like you are, just like anyone here is. And it literally changes nothing.

The hobby doesn't need you either. I collect what I want. I don't need others to tell me what I chose to put value in. A card goes into my collection because I like it, not because someone tells me I need to. The "hobby" needs Topps and other companies that make cards a hell of a lot more than it needs people talking in a forum.

Keep crying over a company doing something because they are financially motivated.

SupermanBrandon · 10-28-2022, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by whitmm

Nothing's stopping you from commenting. I certainly didn't say you couldn't. And you certainly seem to be missing the fact that I've never even suggested that anyone needs to use Topps' definition. But they 100% are allowed to have one. Just like I am, just like you are, just like anyone here is. And it literally changes nothing.

The hobby doesn't need you either. I collect what I want. I don't need others to tell me what I chose to put value in. A card goes into my collection because I like it, not because someone tells me I need to. The "hobby" needs Topps and other companies that make cards a hell of a lot more than it needs people talking in a forum.

Keep crying over a company doing something because they are financially motivated.

So you don’t care either way? Then why are you commenting? Do you need to hear “Topps put a definition on the product they produced. They can call it what they want.” Is that better for you?

Topps’ definition goes against the hobby. Against decades of knowledge, collectors and their collections. Why aren’t you defending that? You don’t seem to need or want Topps’ definition. So why the need to defend “but it’s what Topps calls it”. Seems like really low level thinking. Stand up for your hobby!

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imbluestreak23 · 10-28-2022, 12:52 PM

Upper Deck would get this right

MoreToppsPlease · 10-28-2022, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

The ONLY reason Topps has given it a definition (and a RC logo) is to capitalize monetarily. There is no other reason! The hobby has had a true definition for decades as to what a rookie card is. The hobby doesn't need Topps' definition.

Yes, first pack-pulled card as a MLB player in a major set.

The true money grab began happening when pre-MLB players were shown as MLB. Hobby doesn’t need these cards, only Topps/Fanatics does to try to expand its product line.

MoreToppsPlease · 10-28-2022, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

Upper Deck would get this right

UD would still be printing Griffey RCs if they thought nobody was watching…and they probably are.

PDCCollectibles · 10-28-2022, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

Upper Deck would get this right

I would love to see Upper Deck back in baseball....miss em

jdhaugh11 · 10-28-2022, 01:01 PM

Could Panini have put a Rookie logo on 2021 Wander cards last year if they wanted to?
Or is it mandated by the MLBPA?

imbluestreak23 · 10-28-2022, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

UD would still be printing Griffey RCs if they thought nobody was watching…and they probably are.

LessToppsPlease

Except for BKB and FBL since all they have is Poopini

whitmm · 10-28-2022, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

So you don’t care either way? Then why are you commenting? Do you need to hear “Topps put a definition on the product they produced. They can call it what they want.” Is that better for you?

Topps’ definition goes against the hobby. Against decades of knowledge, collectors and their collections. Why aren’t you defending that? You don’t seem to need or want Topps’ definition. So why the need to defend “but it’s what Topps calls it”. Seems like really low level thinking. Stand up for your hobby!

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My hobby? A hobby that is based largely on a product that Topps makes? As I've said, if Topps makes something and gives it a certain name, it doesn't matter if everyone in the hobby wants to give it a different name, what Topps calls it is its official name.

What I'm defending is that Topps has every right to post a list of terms and provide a definition, just like everyone else does. Even if it is financially motivated, Topps didn't come out and post this as any type of "this is how it is" post. How dare they post something that might help some uneducated people out? It's also a little odd that you're going to say the hobby that was formed in large part because of said company doesn't need said company giving its opinions. Just shut up and swing the bat, right?

My hobby is collecting cards that I like. It might not look like your hobby. The rookie card debate has been around long before the PA started messing with telling the companies who can and can't be in sets and who can get a rookie logo.

whitmm · 10-28-2022, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jdhaugh11

Could Panini have put a Rookie logo on 2021 Wander cards last year if they wanted to?
Or is it mandated by the MLBPA?

According to this thread, it's Topps' fault. The MLBPA is free and clear of any wrongdoing in this.

whitmm · 10-28-2022, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

Yes, first pack-pulled card as a MLB player in a major set.

The true money grab began happening when pre-MLB players were shown as MLB. Hobby doesn’t need these cards, only Topps/Fanatics does to try to expand its product line.

So 1993 Jeter isn't a rookie, correct?

ThoseBackPages · 10-28-2022, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jjrpilot

Am I correct in assuming that those arguing here are a bunch of old retired men?

only if Topps says so

Pacmeyer · 10-28-2022, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Why do we keep calling them Topps? They are Fanatics now. Get it right.

And it's not like Fanatics is hiding its INVEST NOW! strategy either

https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...card-business/

ThoseBackPages · 10-28-2022, 02:11 PM

FaTopps!

Pacmeyer · 10-28-2022, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

FaTopps!

Could drop the a but someone might triangle mash

whitmm · 10-28-2022, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Pacmeyer

And it's not like Fanatics is hiding its INVEST NOW! strategy either

https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...card-business/

"My goal would be how we have 50 million, or 100 million collectors, or hundreds of millions of collectors. So I think there’s a huge opportunity for us to really grow this market.”

Straight from that article.

Throwing this out there for people already mad over Topps posting some definitions, because they "have to spend time correcting Topps' crap." It the card companies are shooting for a tenfold increase of people in the hobby, things are going to be a hell of lot more muddy.

I, for one, love that the hobby is fluid and everchanging. It means it's alive and kicking.

Pacmeyer · 10-28-2022, 02:42 PM

I can't wait to see how Fanatics beats those bored ape NFTs.

Bcr · 10-30-2022, 01:34 PM

If 2021 Bowman Heritage releases and the checklist remains as we've seen then we would have a bunch of new rookie cards in that release as well?

ThoseBackPages · 10-30-2022, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bcr

If 2021 Bowman Heritage releases and the checklist remains as we've seen then we would have a bunch of new rookie cards in that release as well?

Yes Sir.

Bcr · 10-30-2022, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

Yes Sir.

Wouldn't it be an issue if they were released this late though?

oldgoldy97 · 10-30-2022, 02:50 PM

UD is releasing 3 seasons worth of hockey as we speak.

ThoseBackPages · 10-30-2022, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Bcr

Wouldn't it be an issue if they were released this late though?

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Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

UD is releasing 3 seasons worth of hockey as we speak.

OldG is 100% correct! 2020 The Cup is due out next month

Bcr · 10-30-2022, 04:32 PM

So they can create rookie cards from any year at any time?

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Bcr Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 2,741	If 2021 Bowman Heritage releases and the checklist remains as we've seen then we would have a bunch of new rookie cards in that release as well?

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Bcr Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 2,741	So they can create rookie cards from any year at any time?