AEW Wrestling Discussion Thread - Page 161

JustinVerlander07 · 04-10-2024, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by packman80

I am willing to bet Tony has some role in this giving the green light for his guys to go on TV bash the WWE thinking it will help his company get over.

Obviously, and that's his prerogative, but it does the same thing it did to TNA a decade+ ago, makes them look super minor league when they're always talking about WWE.

packman80 · 04-10-2024, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Obviously, and that's his prerogative, but it does the same thing it did to TNA a decade+ ago, makes them look super minor league when they're always talking about WWE.

Yep that's why I keep saying Tony is Dixie Carter 2.0. She used her father's money to run a wrestling company she had no idea how to run but for throw big money around and call the shots because of the money she spent. What's the easiest way to get over? Sign former WWE guys and take pot shots at the WWE to make the anti-WWE crowd happy. When AEW was formed they said we don't want to be the WWE but sure seems like they are doing everything the can now to be like the WWE was in the attitude era.

ThatGuyPal · 04-10-2024, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by packman80

Yep that's why I keep saying Tony is Dixie Carter 2.0. She used her father's money to run a wrestling company she had no idea how to run but for throw big money around and call the shots because of the money she spent. What's the easiest way to get over? Sign former WWE guys and take pot shots at the WWE to make the anti-WWE crowd happy. When AEW was formed they said we don't want to be the WWE but sure seems like they are doing everything the can now to be like the WWE was in the attitude era.

The thing is that literally DID work for WCW, the only legit threat to WWE/WWF ever so you're always going to see that formula followed until another one is successful. I think Lucha Underground even though I wasn't a fan had a cult following because it was something different and didn't really follow that MO.

packman80 · 04-10-2024, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ThatGuyPal

The thing is that literally DID work for WCW, the only legit threat to WWE/WWF ever so you're always going to see that formula followed until another one is successful. I think Lucha Underground even though I wasn't a fan had a cult following because it was something different and didn't really follow that MO.

WCW though they went more edgy at a time WWE was still a PG show that's what worked for WCW early on. AEW they started out hey lets be the attitude era again and bleed and swear. It was cool at first because you had not seen that in a long time but AEW did it every single week so it became old and like ok you do that every week what else can you do.

cdub6238 · 04-11-2024, 02:35 PM

As much as I enjoy AEW (while yes also having several criticisms)...

I think TK is about to lose his locker room..

I get it dirtsheets have a job to do, but apparently there are conflicting reports out that the security footage was TKs idea and Young Bucks were against it and had to be talked into it vs they were fine with it...

Conflicting reports that the Ospreay promo was TKs idea vs he worked with creative on it...

And of course obviously FTR wasn't thrilled about the security video angle but was "talked into it"

SandStoneSports · 04-11-2024, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by cdub6238

As much as I enjoy AEW (while yes also having several criticisms)...

I think TK is about to lose his locker room..

I get it dirtsheets have a job to do, but apparently there are conflicting reports out that the security footage was TKs idea and Young Bucks were against it and had to be talked into it vs they were fine with it...

Conflicting reports that the Ospreay promo was TKs idea vs he worked with creative on it...

And of course obviously FTR wasn't thrilled about the security video angle but was "talked into it"

I am a big AEW guy. Dont watch WWE and hadnt watched wrestling for 20 years or more before finding AEW during the pandemic. That said, the show is boarderline unwatchable right now. Tony very badly needs to focus on building storylines around his best talents, rather than constantly mentioning WWE and rehashing CM Punk garbage.

For my money Osprey and Danielson are the two best wrestlers in the world and rather than highlighting that he is showing backstage video from something that happened 8 months ago.

His new tag line is "where the best wrestle" and I watched Shane Taylor, Lee Moriarty, Anothy Ogogo and a washed up Chris Jericho last night. You have the best wrestlers in the world, use them.

MJF needs to get back and soon.

cdub6238 · 04-11-2024, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SandStoneSports

I am a big AEW guy. Dont watch WWE and hadnt watched wrestling for 20 years or more before finding AEW during the pandemic. That said, the show is boarderline unwatchable right now. Tony very badly needs to focus on building storylines around his best talents, rather than constantly mentioning WWE and rehashing CM Punk garbage.

For my money Osprey and Danielson are the two best wrestlers in the world and rather than highlighting that he is showing backstage video from something that happened 8 months ago.

His new tag line is "where the best wrestle" and I watched Shane Taylor, Lee Moriarty, Anothy Ogogo and a washed up Chris Jericho last night. You have the best wrestlers in the world, use them.

MJF needs to get back and soon.

Ehhh I understand what you are saying...but you kinda negate your own point.

Great story and wrestling between 2 wrestlers or tag is always ideal..

But when building a feud/story for a PPV...well obviously they can't wrestle each other...that's why there's enhancement talent/jobbers or even mid card talent

I don't dislike Jericho, but agree I'm not a fan of the Hook storyline so far

DrZman · 04-11-2024, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by cdub6238

As much as I enjoy AEW (while yes also having several criticisms)...

I think TK is about to lose his locker room..

I get it dirtsheets have a job to do, but apparently there are conflicting reports out that the security footage was TKs idea and Young Bucks were against it and had to be talked into it vs they were fine with it...

Conflicting reports that the Ospreay promo was TKs idea vs he worked with creative on it...

And of course obviously FTR wasn't thrilled about the security video angle but was "talked into it"

The Bucks OSpreay reports have quickly been shot down. Wade Keller has become a bit of a joke as journalist. That being said I did think it was incredibly lame showing the footage on TV. If he would've just tweeted it out the day after the Punk interview I think it's a big nothing burger. It is still crazy to me people are acting like this somehow exonerates Punk like he isn't a douchebag that tried to attack a coworker unprovoked and lounged at his boss. Any other job in the world you're gone that day.

packman80 · 04-11-2024, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by cdub6238

Ehhh I understand what you are saying...but you kinda negate your own point.

Great story and wrestling between 2 wrestlers or tag is always ideal..

But when building a feud/story for a PPV...well obviously they can't wrestle each other...that's why there's enhancement talent/jobbers or even mid card talent

I don't dislike Jericho, but agree I'm not a fan of the Hook storyline so far

Jericho needs to retire. 53 years old and he just does not have it anymore. Retire and become a booker heck it Khan has brains he puts Jericho in charge and lets him run AEW.

Gurds · 04-11-2024, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DrZman

The Bucks OSpreay reports have quickly been shot down. Wade Keller has become a bit of a joke as journalist. That being said I did think it was incredibly lame showing the footage on TV. If he would've just tweeted it out the day after the Punk interview I think it's a big nothing burger. It is still crazy to me people are acting like this somehow exonerates Punk like he isn't a douchebag that tried to attack a coworker unprovoked and lounged at his boss. Any other job in the world you're gone that day.

Yeah the only person I really trust in regards to reports these days is SRS from Fightful. They've been very on it regarding news and signings etc.

Gurds · 04-11-2024, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by packman80

Jericho needs to retire. 53 years old and he just does not have it anymore. Retire and become a booker heck it Khan has brains he puts Jericho in charge and lets him run AEW.

Probably one of the first things you've posted in here that I agree with

I think the whole wrestling crowd is over with Jericho. He needs to go away for a while and then come back and have a lead up to one last match and fans will enjoy seeing him and he'll go out with good will from people.

Jericho · 04-11-2024, 08:15 PM

The Punk footage doesn't really show anything that we didnt already know. Although in some cases they made it sound worse than it actually was. Didnt last long at all and Joe did the right thing getting in their quick and breaking it up. I assume this is just leading to Jack Perry coming back and helping the Bucks beat FTR? Which is fine I guess, but its not like FTR can tag with Punk and get revenge that way. I suppose they could use Copeland in that spot since he's friends with FTR but thats kind of weak honestly.

I watch AEW everyweek and havent missed a show. But they're very hit or miss lately. I think it would help if Khan would step back some and let ppl who know about wrestling take a bigger part. Who would that be? Idk.

Oh and the OSpreay thing was so weak. People have been saying that for the past how many years now? And even if true, HHH has already shown he knows how to run a show far better than Will's boss. Oh and Will's boss is only where he is because of his Daddy btw.

ThatGuyPal · 04-12-2024, 07:55 AM

It would be hard to edit as things happened so fast, but from a storyline standpoint I don't get why they would want to show their top heel, who doesn't give a shi about anyone and will choke you out after the bell being the good guy here. As said above Joe "Did the right thing", regardless of anything else that just comes off as odd to me like when you catch heels and faces hanging together or when Lana announced her marriage right in the Bobby storyline lol

DrZman · 04-12-2024, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ThatGuyPal

It would be hard to edit as things happened so fast, but from a storyline standpoint I don't get why they would want to show their top heel, who doesn't give a shi about anyone and will choke you out after the bell being the good guy here. As said above Joe "Did the right thing", regardless of anything else that just comes off as odd to me like when you catch heels and faces hanging together or when Lana announced her marriage right in the Bobby storyline lol

You know that's a fair point I hadn't seen anyone else bring up. Only thing I can think is in kayfabe Joe is someone who wants to beat your ass and humble you in the ring. So in that respect it's in his interest to make sure Punk stayed in one piece before their match.

packman80 · 04-12-2024, 11:59 AM

I wonder if AEW even makes money. With a billionaire dad funding his son I am guessing he does not worry much if it is losing money.

DonrussDean · 04-13-2024, 07:12 PM

1850 tickets sold for battle of the belts.. I haven't watched much, but is it this bad now?

https://x.com/EliteClubS0B/status/1779210502033617283

Gurds · 04-13-2024, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DonrussDean

1850 tickets sold for battle of the belts.. I haven't watched much, but is it this bad now?

https://x.com/EliteClubS0B/status/1779210502033617283

Close to 2500. This is the account to follow regarding sales for wrestling shows.

https://twitter.com/WrestleTix/statu...gvJMwDVfQ&s=19

This coming Wednesday is in Indy and right now it's around 2000 tickets sold. There will be more sold the day of with walk ups. The thing is the show was announced maybe a month and a half ago and tickets went on sale around that time and I have seen ZERO advertising on TV for the show.

They really need to get better about announcing shows longer in advance with tickets going on sale when announced too and do radio and TV advertising and have some wrestlers do local news interviews (even if it's via satellite) to hype up the shows

I think that would help with ticket sales a lot. They have no issues selling tickets for their PPVs because they are announced far in advance.

packman80 · 04-14-2024, 09:30 AM

Ticket sales won't matter in the long run. With a rich owner funding it they can continue to have a show as long as they can still have a network put them on TV each week. They lose their network and have to go to some small network how TNA is then you question does Tony keep pumping money into it.

cdub6238 · 04-15-2024, 02:53 PM

Just catching up on the weekend shows...nothing really of note til the end of Collision

Toni Storm/AZM was phenomenal imo...AZM is gonna be a legit star

BCC/Callis family was as physical as you'd expect, including post match

Battle of the Belts was surprisingly solid, bit predictable

Not sure I'm understanding why the hotshotting of KoR/Strong already though...

DrZman · 04-15-2024, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by cdub6238

Just catching up on the weekend shows...nothing really of note til the end of Collision

Toni Storm/AZM was phenomenal imo...AZM is gonna be a legit star

BCC/Callis family was as physical as you'd expect, including post match

Battle of the Belts was surprisingly solid, bit predictable

Not sure I'm understanding why the hotshotting of KoR/Strong already though...

Roddys cooled off so much I wouldn't mind just having Kyle beat him to heat him up and add some sort of interest to that group. AZM would probably be the best woman on the roster in ring wise if they were able to sign her. Wouldn't shock me to see her snatched up by WWE first though. They seem to have the upper hand when it comes to signing joshis, which is understandable.

danhardyufc · 04-15-2024, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by cdub6238

Just catching up on the weekend shows...nothing really of note til the end of Collision

Toni Storm/AZM was phenomenal imo...AZM is gonna be a legit star

BCC/Callis family was as physical as you'd expect, including post match

Battle of the Belts was surprisingly solid, bit predictable

Not sure I'm understanding why the hotshotting of KoR/Strong already though...

AZM already IS a legit star

Jaypers · 04-16-2024, 09:26 AM

Battle of the Belts has always been solely about defending the titles.

So WHY was there an "eliminator" match in this last one, meaning, non-title?

Stupid.

jmarascojr · 04-16-2024, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by packman80

I wonder if AEW even makes money. With a billionaire dad funding his son I am guessing he does not worry much if it is losing money.

Just got an email for the Dynamite/Rampage in Buffalo, $800+ for ONE Floor Seat and that's before taxes and fees...

Cheapest ticket I think I saw was $40 before fees and that was pretty much behind the stage on the right hand side...

packman80 · 04-16-2024, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jmarascojr

Just got an email for the Dynamite/Rampage in Buffalo, $800+ for ONE Floor Seat and that's before taxes and fees...

Cheapest ticket I think I saw was $40 before fees and that was pretty much behind the stage on the right hand side...

Maybe this is why they are selling only like 2K tickets a show because no one will pay for their overpriced tickets.

SandStoneSports · 04-18-2024, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by jmarascojr

Just got an email for the Dynamite/Rampage in Buffalo, $800+ for ONE Floor Seat and that's before taxes and fees...

Cheapest ticket I think I saw was $40 before fees and that was pretty much behind the stage on the right hand side...

I looked in on it as well. I took my boys to Collision in Erie last year and we had the time of our lives, but given the short notice for the show and the price of tickets I am not sure we will go to Buffalo. It's only an hour away but really wish I'd known about a show in June more than 2 months in advance. 8 weeks is not enough time to garner interest for the show.

If tickets go down in price I may try to pick them up cheap a week before the show, but otherwise I'll pass.

04-11-2024, 02:35 PM	#4005
cdub6238 Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 17,010	As much as I enjoy AEW (while yes also having several criticisms)... I think TK is about to lose his locker room.. I get it dirtsheets have a job to do, but apparently there are conflicting reports out that the security footage was TKs idea and Young Bucks were against it and had to be talked into it vs they were fine with it... Conflicting reports that the Ospreay promo was TKs idea vs he worked with creative on it... And of course obviously FTR wasn't thrilled about the security video angle but was "talked into it"

04-11-2024, 08:15 PM	#4012
Jericho Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: NY Posts: 2,984	The Punk footage doesn't really show anything that we didnt already know. Although in some cases they made it sound worse than it actually was. Didnt last long at all and Joe did the right thing getting in their quick and breaking it up. I assume this is just leading to Jack Perry coming back and helping the Bucks beat FTR? Which is fine I guess, but its not like FTR can tag with Punk and get revenge that way. I suppose they could use Copeland in that spot since he's friends with FTR but thats kind of weak honestly. I watch AEW everyweek and havent missed a show. But they're very hit or miss lately. I think it would help if Khan would step back some and let ppl who know about wrestling take a bigger part. Who would that be? Idk. Oh and the OSpreay thing was so weak. People have been saying that for the past how many years now? And even if true, HHH has already shown he knows how to run a show far better than Will's boss. Oh and Will's boss is only where he is because of his Daddy btw.

04-12-2024, 07:55 AM	#4013
ThatGuyPal Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Posts: 4,193	It would be hard to edit as things happened so fast, but from a storyline standpoint I don't get why they would want to show their top heel, who doesn't give a shi about anyone and will choke you out after the bell being the good guy here. As said above Joe "Did the right thing", regardless of anything else that just comes off as odd to me like when you catch heels and faces hanging together or when Lana announced her marriage right in the Bobby storyline lol

04-12-2024, 11:59 AM	#4015
packman80 Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 17,162	I wonder if AEW even makes money. With a billionaire dad funding his son I am guessing he does not worry much if it is losing money.

04-13-2024, 07:12 PM	#4016
DonrussDean Member Join Date: May 2019 Posts: 1,433	1850 tickets sold for battle of the belts.. I haven't watched much, but is it this bad now? https://x.com/EliteClubS0B/status/1779210502033617283

04-14-2024, 09:30 AM	#4018
packman80 Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 17,162	Ticket sales won't matter in the long run. With a rich owner funding it they can continue to have a show as long as they can still have a network put them on TV each week. They lose their network and have to go to some small network how TNA is then you question does Tony keep pumping money into it.

04-15-2024, 02:53 PM	#4019
cdub6238 Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 17,010	Just catching up on the weekend shows...nothing really of note til the end of Collision Toni Storm/AZM was phenomenal imo...AZM is gonna be a legit star BCC/Callis family was as physical as you'd expect, including post match Battle of the Belts was surprisingly solid, bit predictable Not sure I'm understanding why the hotshotting of KoR/Strong already though...

04-16-2024, 09:26 AM	#4022
Jaypers Bowman Scout Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: IL Posts: 51,634 cardboardconglomerate	Battle of the Belts has always been solely about defending the titles. So WHY was there an "eliminator" match in this last one, meaning, non-title? Stupid.