WWE Discussion thread- Raw/SD/PPV - Page 1640

poomplavk · 01-11-2023, 09:49 AM

I can't see any reality, if this is true, where Vince isn't back with all his regular roles. It's blatantly obvious that WWE being taken private was probably factored in the agreement with Saudi Arabia, which protects Vince.

I can't see a major public company keeping Vince around so this deal was likely the only one where he had the option to sell and stay with the company. Makes sense as to why he sold so quickly. He was probably bored and spiteful and this was the only/quickest avenue to regain that power.

I feel bad for the people HHH brought back and pretty sure guys like Sami and KO are as good as gone if this ends up being true.

jmarascojr · 01-11-2023, 10:17 AM

So what is the over/under on purchasing price?

It's gonna start with a "B", I'm just wondering how many....

I think we'll know pretty quickly if Vince is back in control of the story lines...
Everything with Bray Wyatt and Alexa will go POOF...

no10pin · 01-11-2023, 10:37 AM

WWE is denying there is a deal in place, and the original tweet reporting that it was done has been deleted.

cardtrader22 · 01-11-2023, 10:53 AM

Ariel Helwani also reported that a deal is not completed.

stanmarsh · 01-11-2023, 11:37 AM

If true Im done with wwe.

poomplavk · 01-11-2023, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by jmarascojr

So what is the over/under on purchasing price?

It's gonna start with a "B", I'm just wondering how many....

I think we'll know pretty quickly if Vince is back in control of the story lines...
Everything with Bray Wyatt and Alexa will go POOF...

I know this was 4-5 years back but Fox paid 1B for five years JUST for Smackdown TV rights. Gotta imagine it'll be around 5B. UFC was sold for 4B (granted at it's absolute peak) and I would think WWE is more profitable.

JRX · 01-11-2023, 11:59 AM

I don't understand how wrestling without kayfabe is even a thing anymore

jmarascojr · 01-11-2023, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by poomplavk

I know this was 4-5 years back but Fox paid 1B for five years JUST for Smackdown TV rights. Gotta imagine it'll be around 5B. UFC was sold for 4B (granted at it's absolute peak) and I would think WWE is more profitable.

My guess was going to be $5-$6 billion OR $8-$10 billion if they were actually getting Saudi money...

no10pin · 01-11-2023, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jmarascojr

So what is the over/under on purchasing price?

It's gonna start with a "B", I'm just wondering how many....

I think we'll know pretty quickly if Vince is back in control of the story lines...
Everything with Bray Wyatt and Alexa will go POOF...

The market cap for the stock (currently sits at $88.50/sh) is over $6.6 billion. I would think the shareholders would get paid at least what the stock is currently trading at, probably a little more.

packman80 · 01-11-2023, 03:49 PM

Product is already crap. Let the Saudi's buy it and have Vince run it won't be able to get much more craptastic then it is. I have not seen much improvement with Paul and Steph running the show.

JRX · 01-11-2023, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by no10pin

The market cap for the stock (currently sits at $88.50/sh) is over $6.6 billion. I would think the shareholders would get paid at least what the stock is currently trading at, probably a little more.

Isn't the WWE share class set up a bit odd though? My very basic understanding is that all those publicly traded shares have no real voting power and all the real power is in Vince's shares. What stops him from cutting a deal where he gets pretty much everything for his class b shares and leaves the other shareholders holding the bag? Hypothetically say they refuse to sell, well they had no voting power any way.

no10pin · 01-11-2023, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by JRX

Isn't the WWE share class set up a bit odd though? My very basic understanding is that all those publicly traded shares have no real voting power and all the real power is in Vince's shares. What stops him from cutting a deal where he gets pretty much everything for his class b shares and leaves the other shareholders holding the bag? Hypothetically say they refuse to sell, well they had no voting power any way.

Yeah, you are right, but that's beyond my understanding. I think he can force the sale for sure since the Class B shares have all the voting power, but it feels like he wouldn't be able to force the public shareholders to take less money. In the end, they are still publicly traded, and there has to be laws around how a sale would work.

JRX · 01-11-2023, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by no10pin

Yeah, you are right, but that's beyond my understanding. I think he can force the sale for sure since the Class B shares have all the voting power, but it feels like he wouldn't be able to force the public shareholders to take less money. In the end, they are still publicly traded, and there has to be laws around how a sale would work.

That's what I'm curious about since any deal would be put up to a shareholder vote which Vince will always win. Vince is going to do what is best for Vince and everyone else is at his mercy. It sort of feels like a scam but is apparently legal lol.

natbornkiller · 01-11-2023, 05:55 PM

lets hope scott boras is negotiating this deal

natbornkiller · 01-11-2023, 06:15 PM

all this to make mansoor the unified champ

sthoemke · 01-11-2023, 09:37 PM

Stephanie is resigning...

https://twitter.com/StephMcMahon/sta...56533695938560

JRX · 01-11-2023, 11:16 PM

This was written up back in march. Those class a shares are basically pointless.

https://wrestlenomics.com/2020/09/23...eholders-2022/

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Mike Chase · 01-13-2023, 05:32 PM

https://twitter.com/Fightful/status/1614018228610650125

Hunter is going to be jobless before Mania at this rate lol.

poomplavk · 01-13-2023, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Chase

https://twitter.com/Fightful/status/1614018228610650125

Hunter is going to be jobless before Mania at this rate lol.

It's only a matter of time. Anyone that still believes that Vince won't take over creative is kidding themselves. First it was "Vince was only brought back to facilitate a sale...he would not get involve in creative"...a week later it's now "Vince and Hunter might have conversations on creative"...at this rate, Vince might be taking control of creative by the Rumble.

I think giving Hunter until mania is a win at this point lol. WrestleMania in Hollywood with the potential of the Rock and even stone cold match rumors might be too much for Vince to pass up and let someone else get credit.

1992UDFootball · 01-13-2023, 07:02 PM

Haven't watched since Vince "returned" and won't be watching WWE as long as Vince is there.

packman80 · 01-13-2023, 09:58 PM

Glad I had no interest to go to Smackdown tonight. Talk about total garbage. Only 4 matches. In which homestate boy Braun eats a pin, 2 garbage women matches, a 2 minute Wyatt promo, the premier thing they give you is KO vs Sami which was good until thd ending but 1 match does not make up for rest of show being letdown.

lakesidez · 01-14-2023, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by packman80

Glad I had no interest to go to Smackdown tonight. Talk about total garbage. Only 4 matches. In which homestate boy Braun eats a pin, 2 garbage women matches, a 2 minute Wyatt promo, the premier thing they give you is KO vs Sami which was good until thd ending but 1 match does not make up for rest of show being letdown.

100% agreed, my wife and son went only because we won free tickets from a radio show. I guess the $100 in merchandise they bought made up for the free tickets, LOL.

Not bad for seats considering they were free:
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thenightman · 01-14-2023, 08:06 AM

There is still the possibility that this is all legitimate. Meaning, that Vince is only involved to sell the product. This is his sandbox and if he's looking to sell it, it may just be to actually sell the sandbox, not sell it and then continue playing in it.

Vince doesn't strike me as a guy who is okay with other people telling him how he can play in a sandbox, even if it belongs to someone else.

JRX · 01-14-2023, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by thenightman

There is still the possibility that this is all legitimate. Meaning, that Vince is only involved to sell the product. This is his sandbox and if he's looking to sell it, it may just be to actually sell the sandbox, not sell it and then continue playing in it.

Vince doesn't strike me as a guy who is okay with other people telling him how he can play in a sandbox, even if it belongs to someone else.

Better question is does vince even want the wwe to succeed after hes gone or would part of him like to see it be destroyed to fulfill his ego in that only he could have made it as successful as it became.

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packman80 · 01-14-2023, 09:24 AM

I am guessing Vince is willing to sell the company. He's in his 70s and I think he wants it to go to someone he chooses not his kids or the BOD. Plus he sells right now I am guessing he will include in deal that he gets to stay in creative control either until he decides to retire again or kicks the bucket.

Though just think 40 years ago you pay $1 million for a company to turn around and be able to sell it it for billions now.

Also selling company now could be a way for Vince's estate having to pay a larger estate tax bill if the WWE would be sold off aftr his death.

01-11-2023, 10:17 AM	#40977
jmarascojr Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 4,384 shooterjoe13	So what is the over/under on purchasing price? It's gonna start with a "B", I'm just wondering how many.... I think we'll know pretty quickly if Vince is back in control of the story lines... Everything with Bray Wyatt and Alexa will go POOF... __________________ Always looking to trade, https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVYMy7F I PC Luke Harper/Brodie Lee

01-11-2023, 10:37 AM	#40978
no10pin Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 16,847 no10pin no10pin	WWE is denying there is a deal in place, and the original tweet reporting that it was done has been deleted. __________________ Always looking for more George Brett stuff. Need more rookies, low numbered inserts/parallels and on-card autos (no Panini).

01-11-2023, 10:53 AM	#40979
cardtrader22 Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: MD Posts: 4,977	Ariel Helwani also reported that a deal is not completed. __________________ Looking for Orioles & Ravens Bucket: http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v358/cardtrader22/

01-11-2023, 11:37 AM	#40980
stanmarsh Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: mianus Mass Posts: 791	If true Im done with wwe. __________________ Release the Epstein files

01-11-2023, 05:55 PM	#40989
natbornkiller Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: bkNY Posts: 22,804	lets hope scott boras is negotiating this deal __________________ HAH HAH I STILL HAS THE RIGHT TO EDIT THIS !:eatit: Last edited by natbornkiller; 01-11-2023 at 06:06 PM.

01-11-2023, 09:49 AM	#40976
poomplavk Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 238	I can't see any reality, if this is true, where Vince isn't back with all his regular roles. It's blatantly obvious that WWE being taken private was probably factored in the agreement with Saudi Arabia, which protects Vince. I can't see a major public company keeping Vince around so this deal was likely the only one where he had the option to sell and stay with the company. Makes sense as to why he sold so quickly. He was probably bored and spiteful and this was the only/quickest avenue to regain that power. I feel bad for the people HHH brought back and pretty sure guys like Sami and KO are as good as gone if this ends up being true.

01-11-2023, 11:59 AM	#40982
JRX Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 15,686	I don't understand how wrestling without kayfabe is even a thing anymore

01-11-2023, 03:49 PM	#40985
packman80 Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 17,052	Product is already crap. Let the Saudi's buy it and have Vince run it won't be able to get much more craptastic then it is. I have not seen much improvement with Paul and Steph running the show.

01-11-2023, 06:15 PM	#40990
natbornkiller Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: bkNY Posts: 22,804	all this to make mansoor the unified champ __________________ HAH HAH I STILL HAS THE RIGHT TO EDIT THIS !:eatit:

01-11-2023, 09:37 PM	#40991
sthoemke Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 6,478 sthoemke sthoemke	Stephanie is resigning... https://twitter.com/StephMcMahon/sta...56533695938560 __________________ [signature goes here]

01-11-2023, 11:16 PM	#40992
JRX Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 15,686	This was written up back in march. Those class a shares are basically pointless. https://wrestlenomics.com/2020/09/23...eholders-2022/ Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk

01-13-2023, 05:32 PM	#40993
Mike Chase Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Posts: 89 mkeguy69	https://twitter.com/Fightful/status/1614018228610650125 Hunter is going to be jobless before Mania at this rate lol.

01-13-2023, 07:02 PM	#40995
1992UDFootball Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Posts: 672	Haven't watched since Vince "returned" and won't be watching WWE as long as Vince is there.

01-13-2023, 09:58 PM	#40996
packman80 Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 17,052	Glad I had no interest to go to Smackdown tonight. Talk about total garbage. Only 4 matches. In which homestate boy Braun eats a pin, 2 garbage women matches, a 2 minute Wyatt promo, the premier thing they give you is KO vs Sami which was good until thd ending but 1 match does not make up for rest of show being letdown.

01-14-2023, 08:06 AM	#40998
thenightman Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Posts: 6,640	There is still the possibility that this is all legitimate. Meaning, that Vince is only involved to sell the product. This is his sandbox and if he's looking to sell it, it may just be to actually sell the sandbox, not sell it and then continue playing in it. Vince doesn't strike me as a guy who is okay with other people telling him how he can play in a sandbox, even if it belongs to someone else.

01-14-2023, 09:24 AM	#41000
packman80 Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 17,052	I am guessing Vince is willing to sell the company. He's in his 70s and I think he wants it to go to someone he chooses not his kids or the BOD. Plus he sells right now I am guessing he will include in deal that he gets to stay in creative control either until he decides to retire again or kicks the bucket. Though just think 40 years ago you pay $1 million for a company to turn around and be able to sell it it for billions now. Also selling company now could be a way for Vince's estate having to pay a larger estate tax bill if the WWE would be sold off aftr his death. Last edited by packman80; 01-14-2023 at 09:40 AM.