WWE Discussion thread- Raw/SD/PPV

[cdub6238]

Originally Posted by no10pin

Catching up on Raw now, Bobby & Brock REALLY need their managers/advocates/whatever back.

Yeah I said it in my opinions on last week..

That's 2 weeks in a row of awful segments

Goofy Brock can work, in limited bits...bit past 2 weeks have been awful.

And I really don't care about their match Saturday night or the more than likely rematch at WM

[packman80]

Originally Posted by thenightman

Miz has been the vet who feuds with the new guy for awhile now. They do it because he's established. Him losing to the Boogs doesn't hurt the Miz in any way. If WWE decides in 6 months that they want him to chase for the IC or US title they'll be able to do so without fans revolting.

Miz did well with IC title years bac when he was champ last. Would be nice if WWE did reward him with a couple more times with the IC title to break Jericho's record. Perhaps after Gunther drops the title to move on to the world title picture Miz can go to Smackdown and be put bac in that title picture.

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by packman80

Miz did well with IC title years bac when he was champ last. Would be nice if WWE did reward him with a couple more times with the IC title to break Jericho's record. Perhaps after Gunther drops the title to move on to the world title picture Miz can go to Smackdown and be put bac in that title picture.

I can definitely see that. Miz's style doesn't put a lot of stress on the body, so I could easily see him doing what he does for another 10 to 15 years. I'm sure he'll have a few more IC runs during that time.

Sami isn't a main eventer as far as looks are concerned, but as far as "sports entertainment" he certainly is. That said, I could easily see a scenario where there's a triple-threat, Cody pins Sami, Roman blames Sami for being a bum and costing him the titles, while also being able to still say he's the "Head of the Table" because he didn't get pinned, and continuing a feud between the two on SD, leading to the eventual Jey vs. Roman conclusion.

Also, with that outcome, Roman can later challenge Cody saying that he never beat him, Cody will know that he never "truly" climbed the mountain top, no matter how many Raw superstars he defeats, giving Cody a higher peak to climb.

[cdub6238]

Originally Posted by thenightman

Miz has been the vet who feuds with the new guy for awhile now. They do it because he's established. Him losing to the Boogs doesn't hurt the Miz in any way. If WWE decides in 6 months that they want him to chase for the IC or US title they'll be able to do so without fans revolting.

That's perfectly fine, depending on the talent he's putting over.

It worked with Paul, cuz he turned on him at the end of their match...the build was good...and so was the match

Same for the Gargano/Lumis stuff. Several months of build and "storyline" and he even got the final win AND reintroduced Bronson Reed

This Boogs is like neither of those. He's jacked and athletic...but an awful "personality/gimmick". He's now been squashed twice by him..

Originally Posted by mikecala98

Further with Miz....he was in multiple segments last night. Pushing ahead several BIG storylines including one of his own, AND has a reality show heavily promoted on WWE TV. But yeah, he's being punished.

What RAW did you watch? A storyline with Boogs is Big? That's pretty pathetic imo lol

The only other storyline he helped push ahead was the Rollins/Paul WM match

I don't think he's being punished by any means...just underutilized.

[cdub6238]

Also...what a dumb ending to the Main Event...

Becky gets KOD ON TOP of Bayley...and instead of laying there in a pinning position...or at least making Belair push her off....she just casually rolls forward out of the ring for Belair to get the pin...

Awful presentation lol

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by cdub6238

That's perfectly fine, depending on the talent he's putting over.

It worked with Paul, cuz he turned on him at the end of their match...the build was good...and so was the match

Same for the Gargano/Lumis stuff. Several months of build and "storyline" and he even got the final win AND reintroduced Bronson Reed

This Boogs is like neither of those. He's jacked and athletic...but an awful "personality/gimmick". He's now been squashed twice by him..

I'll be honest, the Boogs gimmick is awful, especially knowing who he is after watching him on YT for years now. He'd be so much better as the super-intense guy he is in real life. That said, when this "feud" is over and done with the Miz will be none worse for wear. The Boogs may get a rub, but the Miz will always be the Miz. It's like a dial at this point, if the WWE needs to turn it up they know the Miz can deliver.

[no10pin]

Originally Posted by cdub6238

Yeah I said it in my opinions on last week..

That's 2 weeks in a row of awful segments

Goofy Brock can work, in limited bits...bit past 2 weeks have been awful.

And I really don't care about their match Saturday night or the more than likely rematch at WM

It was just so awkward with them trying to get a sentence out.

My favorite part was when Pearce was about 2 seconds away from announcing Lashley to bring him out, and Brock interrupted him to tell him to hurry up and then repeated a lot of what Pearce had just said.

[packman80]

Originally Posted by thenightman

I'll be honest, the Boogs gimmick is awful, especially knowing who he is after watching him on YT for years now. He'd be so much better as the super-intense guy he is in real life. That said, when this "feud" is over and done with the Miz will be none worse for wear. The Boogs may get a rub, but the Miz will always be the Miz. It's like a dial at this point, if the WWE needs to turn it up they know the Miz can deliver.

Boogs will be another guy in long list of guys who WWE puts over the Miz and once fued is done he will hardly be seen again. Look at Johnny Wrestling and Lumis hardly on TV now that they finished with Miz.

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by packman80

Boogs will be another guy in long list of guys who WWE puts over the Miz and once fued is done he will hardly be seen again. Look at Johnny Wrestling and Lumis hardly on TV now that they finished with Miz.

Probably, which is a shame because Ricky B has the ability to be a really good sports entertainer. I just don't understand out of all the gimmicks he chose, or WWE, chose that one.

My prediction, this gimmick lasts less than 6 months and he gets repackaged. There is literally nowhere you can go with this gimmick, but you can go far with a dude who can literally pick up 225lbs+ over his head.

[poomplavk]

Damn...Hit Row getting go away heat.

[Jolten Joe]

Any thoughts on Uncle Howdy from this weeks SD ? To me he looked way smaller than previously and his mannerisms were off also. Clearly a totally different guy than has been portraying him. Guy last night definitely got Bo Dallas vibes.

Not sure how I like Wyatt going from L.A. Knight to Lashley/Lesner. He's had 1 mediocre feud that Knight carried for the most part and now he's all of a sudden ready for one of the big boys at WM ? Almost seemed like they knew fans were tired of the long drawn out repetitive story line and said let's move on from that and throw him into WM so maybe they will forget about how crappy it was.

[thenightman]

It was without a doubt Bo Dallas. Same gloves he used to wear and the same facial features around the mouth area.

You legitimately think Wyatt isn't ready for one of the big boys at WM? He's been on the main roster since 2012, headlined PPVs, wrestled the Undertaker at WM. Get out of here with that. Like, I get it if you don't like the gimmick, but that doesn't some how nullify what he's accomplished.

Also, he's fighting Lashley. It's gonna be Gunther vs. Lesnar at WM. That's my speculation for the day.

[tomahawk]

If they go Bray v. Lashley, then it's whatever, fine, it'll give both guys a reasonable program going into WM. If they go Bray vs. Brock, then it's horrible. It's obvious to anyone with a pair of ears and eyes that Brock vs. Gunther is the play, and shoehorning in Bray would feel a bit desperate and make for far less of an appealing match.

[packman80]

Originally Posted by thenightman

It was without a doubt Bo Dallas. Same gloves he used to wear and the same facial features around the mouth area.

You legitimately think Wyatt isn't ready for one of the big boys at WM? He's been on the main roster since 2012, headlined PPVs, wrestled the Undertaker at WM. Get out of here with that. Like, I get it if you don't like the gimmick, but that doesn't some how nullify what he's accomplished.

Also, he's fighting Lashley. It's gonna be Gunther vs. Lesnar at WM. That's my speculation for the day.

Gunther needs to lose the title at WM and I don't think Brock is a guy you want as your IC champ. Gunther losses the title at WM then he steps up to the main event level hopefully. Lashley would make more sense to face Wyatt as you get Lashley on TV every week to do promos with them and can run that back 2-3 times.

[packman80]

Originally Posted by poomplavk

Damn...Hit Row getting go away heat.

Hit Row is trash. They suck in the ring and I think only reason HHH brought them back was he wanted anothr tag team of color in the WWE despite it being clear that Swerve was the only that that made that team good. With them last night being thrown away like garbage I am hoping it's a sign that HHH either plans to send them back down to NXT or give them an outright release.

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by tomahawk

If they go Bray v. Lashley, then it's whatever, fine, it'll give both guys a reasonable program going into WM. If they go Bray vs. Brock, then it's horrible. It's obvious to anyone with a pair of ears and eyes that Brock vs. Gunther is the play, and shoehorning in Bray would feel a bit desperate and make for far less of an appealing match.

Originally Posted by packman80

Gunther needs to lose the title at WM and I don't think Brock is a guy you want as your IC champ. Gunther losses the title at WM then he steps up to the main event level hopefully. Lashley would make more sense to face Wyatt as you get Lashley on TV every week to do promos with them and can run that back 2-3 times.

The reason why I think it'll be Wyatt v. Lashley. Recently there was an internal leak that stated Wyatt was the #2 or #3 babyface on SD and Lashley was #3 or #4. Those numbers could be wrong, but they were clearly labeled which side they were on. Brock wasn't on the list, but he's clearly a babyface, so it doesn't make sense for them to go with Wyatt v. Lesnar. Plus, let's be honest, Lesnar isn't a good matchup for the "supernatural" Wyatt. Lesnar will never act scared or worried. It's just not how he's built. Lashley, on the other hand, could.

The reason why I think it'll be Gunther v. Lesnar. Read a report that stated WWE is looking for a big matchup for Gunther at WM and Gunther has said outright that he wants to face Lesnar. Also, Gunther will beat Lesnar. So, the idea of Lesnar holding the IC title doesn't really matter.

[tomahawk]

Yes, Gunther vs. Brock at WM, with Gunther going over and continuing the epic IC streak. There's no rush to shoot him to the main event immediately. And it's smart business to give the IC title some real gravity while the two main titles are combined and defended only a couple of times every few months.

[packman80]

The Miz nearly the hero of last nights NBA Celb All-Star game hit's half court shot just after the buzzer goes off. Had it counted it would have been a 4 point play and won his team the game.

[packman80]

predictable womens chamber match with Asuka winning.

[packman80]

That match sucked Lashely winning by DQ low blow. A 5 minute match too. Guessing Brock now gets "suspended" for attacking a ref.

[packman80]

LOL that WM Rollins/Lynch Joker/Batman promo was great.

[packman80]

Big mess up there ref had to pull up 3 count because Beth was late on pin breakup

[packman80]

Sloppy match but Edge/Beth get win back after losing bunch to JD.

[JustinVerlander07]

If the goal is make Montez Ford into a star......mission accomplished.

[Jolten Joe]

A lot of people going to hate on Logan Paul after tonight but I'm calling it now Rollins/Paul sleeper match of the entire 2 night WM. That match is going to be incredible.