Patrick Mahomes Prices

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Right on both of those graphics:

Championships: 3
Super Bowl MVPs: 3

I could add playoff wins as well, which at 17 is the most of any QB in their 20s, and behind only Brady for most in their career.

What's great about Mahomes is that no matter how you spin it, he had the greatest 20's decade of any QB in history. Stats, Championships, ratings.... he has the best body of work. Who knows what his 30s will bring: Brady didn't win a championship until 37 and he wound up with the greatest second half of a career in history.

As for his play this season: Nobody around here is happy he's 0-2, despite playing some pretty solid ball. The fact that he has to go into playoff mode and run for 60 yards a game this early isn't a good sign.

We are in 2025, stop living in the past old man

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Brady never lost 3 straight, Josh allen never lost 3 straight. Mahomes just did and he's staring at 4 losses in a row if they lose to retirement campaign Russel Wilson

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Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

Or you could look at the statheads figure shown earlier and see that Patty Cakes is the best at both stats & winning? Or are we going to argue about what number is higher or lower.

We do live in a very confused society.

I never once doubted he was the best QB during 2018-2021 but since then he's nowhere close of bring the best. Dtat wise or eye test, he just got carried by great defense and excellent coaching. All he had to do was not turn the ball over and once in a while scramble for first down

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by Fenway55

Last year: Don't look at his stats, just look at wins-losses!!
This year: Don't look at wins-losses, just look at his stats!!

Nsxt year when he had neither: Look at his championship run 5 years ago

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Originally Posted by Fenway55

Mahomes has 2 major things working against him:

1) The legs really are the first thing to go. He is still a great scrambler, but it just won't be the same at 37

2) He has played his entire career with the best pass-catching TE in history. Well that TE is nowhere near the player he used to be and, by an amazing coincidence, Mahomes' numbers have dipped.

We don't know what the future holds. Maybe KC will draft the next Moss or Gronk and reinvigorate Mahomes' career. Or maybe not. But I think even Chiefs fans agree they need to do something to improve the offense.

Agree with both. The third major thing against him is that he's got the best coached division in NFL history to contend with. Harbaugh and Carrol are great program builders and Payton is an excellent offensive coach.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by codered

I think this is more dangerously close to happening than people want to admit. The faking like he’s going out of bounds or trucking defenders as the are slowing down to not get a flag as he’s heading towards to sideline has put a target on his back. I feel like it’s not a matter of if but when at this point.

I love how the conversation has now changed from "Mahomes is flopping OB - he's so weak!" to "he's trucking defenders while they are slowing down to avoid getting a flag" now that he's staying in bounds, not sliding, and trying to gain every extra yard possible.

For the record, I think it's dumb that he's actively trying to hit defenders to finish his runs and would rather have him head OB (flop or not), but acting like him just finishing a run is some sort way to take advantage of the rules is crazy.

To your point, I think Mahomes is generally liked across the NFL that I don't think there are many players that would take a cheap shot at him. Defenders would be more angry with Josh Allen since he gets more QB advantage whistles than anyone else (despite what novice football fans think).

[bills4life]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Right on both of those graphics:

Championships: 3
Super Bowl MVPs: 3

I could add playoff wins as well, which at 17 is the most of any QB in their 20s, and behind only Brady for most in their career.

What's great about Mahomes is that no matter how you spin it, he had the greatest 20's decade of any QB in history. Stats, Championships, ratings.... he has the best body of work. Who knows what his 30s will bring: Brady didn't win a championship until 37 and he wound up with the greatest second half of a career in history.

As for his play this season: Nobody around here is happy he's 0-2, despite playing some pretty solid ball. The fact that he has to go into playoff mode and run for 60 yards a game this early isn't a good sign.

Was this a typo re: Brady not winning a championship until 37(?)

Tom Brady's ages when winning the seven Super Bowls were 24 (2002), 26 (2004), 27 (2005), 37 (2015), 39 (2017), 41 (2019), and 43 (2021).

So three in his 20s, two in his 30s, two in his 40s.

Thing about Brady too is any QB playing into their 40s are exceptions. We can’t look at Brady playing x number of years and conclude Mahomes has a certain number of years remaining based on how long Brady played and is therefore well ahead of Brady’s pace.

I am sure Mahomes would like to play football as long as he possibly can, but we will see how he ages over time. I have similar concerns for Allen (although I will say that in Allen’s case he has already proven just about everyone wrong in the fact he has more consecutive starts than any active player in the NFL alone, and many people said he was going to have the same trajectory of Cam Newton, which would have meant his best years are already behind him, clearly not the case).

But at the end of the day, QBs playing at a high level into their late 30s and early 40s have been exceptions and all of the examples I can think of were also pocket passers that rarely ran the ball.

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by bills4life

Was this a typo re: Brady not winning a championship until 37(?)

Tom Brady's ages when winning the seven Super Bowls were 24 (2002), 26 (2004), 27 (2005), 37 (2015), 39 (2017), 41 (2019), and 43 (2021).

So three in his 20s, two in his 30s, two in his 40s.

Thing about Brady too is any QB playing into their 40s are exceptions. We can’t look at Brady playing x number of years and conclude Mahomes has a certain number of years remaining based on how long Brady played and is therefore well ahead of Brady’s pace.

I am sure Mahomes would like to play football as long as he possibly can, but we will see how he ages over time. I have similar concerns for Allen (although I will say that in Allen’s case he has already proven just about everyone wrong in the fact he has more consecutive starts than any active player in the NFL alone, and many people said he was going to have the same trajectory of Cam Newton, which would have meant his best years are already behind him, clearly not the case).

But at the end of the day, QBs playing at a high level into their late 30s and early 40s have been exceptions and all of the examples I can think of were also pocket passers that rarely ran the ball.

He meant his first Super Bowl in his 30s at 37.

[bills4life]

Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

He meant his first Super Bowl in his 30s at 37.

Got it. Ty. Well, I think my point still remains in the sense that I probably wouldn’t use Brady as a measuring stick in that his career had a very unusual trajectory, he aged like fine wine and played some of his best football in those latter years, and he was a much different style of QB.

If Mahomes was ever going to win 4+ additional SB’s, it will most likely need to happen over a significantly shorter span of time.

Also, I can honestly only remember one notable injury in Tom Brady’s entire career. That was remarkable in itself.

[imbluestreak23]

[BostonNut]

Originally Posted by bills4life

Got it. Ty. Well, I think my point still remains in the sense that I probably wouldn’t use Brady as a measuring stick in that his career had a very unusual trajectory, he aged like fine wine and played some of his best football in those latter years, and he was a much different style of QB.

If Mahomes was ever going to win 4+ additional SB’s, it will most likely need to happen over a significantly shorter span of time.

Also, I can honestly only remember one notable injury in Tom Brady’s entire career. That was remarkable in itself.

Brady never missed a game outside of his knee exploding and the NFL trying to stop the Pats from winning the Super Bowl in 2016(?)

Think about that. Craziness.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by BostonNut

Brady never missed a game outside of his knee exploding and the NFL trying to stop the Pats from winning the Super Bowl in 2016(?)

Think about that. Craziness.

He’ll always be remembered as the goat with an asterisk of being a cheater.

He’s still the best

[randino101]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

He’ll always be remembered as the goat with an asterisk of being a cheater.

He’s still the best

"My balls are perfect."

https://www.si.com/nfl/2015/01/23/de...tabloid-covers

[49erRCCollector]

It's sad that it has come to this:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOnAn...5pbDZnbQ%3D%3D

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by bills4life

Was this a typo re: Brady not winning a championship until 37(?)

Tom Brady's ages when winning the seven Super Bowls were 24 (2002), 26 (2004), 27 (2005), 37 (2015), 39 (2017), 41 (2019), and 43 (2021).

So three in his 20s, two in his 30s, two in his 40s.

Thing about Brady too is any QB playing into their 40s are exceptions. We can’t look at Brady playing x number of years and conclude Mahomes has a certain number of years remaining based on how long Brady played and is therefore well ahead of Brady’s pace.

I am sure Mahomes would like to play football as long as he possibly can, but we will see how he ages over time. I have similar concerns for Allen (although I will say that in Allen’s case he has already proven just about everyone wrong in the fact he has more consecutive starts than any active player in the NFL alone, and many people said he was going to have the same trajectory of Cam Newton, which would have meant his best years are already behind him, clearly not the case).

But at the end of the day, QBs playing at a high level into their late 30s and early 40s have been exceptions and all of the examples I can think of were also pocket passers that rarely ran the ball.

Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

He meant his first Super Bowl in his 30s at 37.

Indeed. It's the old talking point that Brady essentially had 2 separate Hall of Fame careers. I was a fan, so I got to watch a 10 year span where he didn't win a Super Bowl, folks doubted his greatness, and he ended up going on to win 4 more.

That's why I laugh when people freak out over Mahomes starting the season 0-2. He's like Brady in that he accomplished so much in his 20s that there's room for error in his 30s. He'll be fine.

As for Allen, he's my 2nd favorite QB in the league to watch and I really think that if not for Mahomes, Allen probably has at least 2 Super Bowls and we're talking about him as the greatest QB of a generation, starting to compare him to guys like Manning, Rodgers, and Montana. I guess what I'm learning is different about Allen than a guy like Burrow is that Allen seems to get hit on his own terms more often. He's initiating/bracing for hits rather than just being the target because he cant get away. I'd love to see him win a Super Bowl soon so that the football world can really look at Mahomes/Allen as this generation's marquee matchup the way Brady/Manning was.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

It's sad that it has come to this:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOnAn...5pbDZnbQ%3D%3D

Why are we posting AI slop?

[49erRCCollector]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Why are we posting AI slop?

I'm not in the anti-Mahomes crowd. I come in peace.

Just a bit of humor.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

I'm not in the anti-Mahomes crowd. I come in peace.

Just a bit of humor.

Yeah... last Sunday I was pretty pissed at Kelce for that drop and another route that should have been a catch, but he rounded.

But then I looked at the snap count and saw he led their skill position played with 77% of the snap, on a hot and humid day. I have to cut him some slack for that. A 36 year old dude shouldnt have that much put on him.

[49erRCCollector]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Yeah... last Sunday I was pretty pissed at Kelce for that drop and another route that should have been a catch, but he rounded.

But then I looked at the snap count and saw he led their skill position played with 77% of the snap, on a hot and humid day. I have to cut him some slack for that. A 36 year old dude shouldnt have that much put on him.

Given the WR situation, I'm not sure how to avoid it.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

Given the WR situation, I'm not sure how to avoid it.

I know this is grasping at straws, but Noah Gray caught 40 passes for 437 yards and 5 tds last year.

This season he has 2 catches for 4 yards. He's the kind of guy that needs to step up, as well as Pacheco giving some sort of spark. The whole offense just can't look to Mahomes, Kelce, and Tyquan Thornton to do it all

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Indeed. It's the old talking point that Brady essentially had 2 separate Hall of Fame careers. I was a fan, so I got to watch a 10 year span where he didn't win a Super Bowl, folks doubted his greatness, and he ended up going on to win 4 more.

That's why I laugh when people freak out over Mahomes starting the season 0-2. He's like Brady in that he accomplished so much in his 20s that there's room for error in his 30s. He'll be fine.

As for Allen, he's my 2nd favorite QB in the league to watch and I really think that if not for Mahomes, Allen probably has at least 2 Super Bowls and we're talking about him as the greatest QB of a generation, starting to compare him to guys like Manning, Rodgers, and Montana. I guess what I'm learning is different about Allen than a guy like Burrow is that Allen seems to get hit on his own terms more often. He's initiating/bracing for hits rather than just being the target because he cant get away. I'd love to see him win a Super Bowl soon so that the football world can really look at Mahomes/Allen as this generation's marquee matchup the way Brady/Manning was.

It kind of is already with Allen playing the role of great regular season QB who chokes in the playoffs like Manning.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

It kind of is already with Allen playing the role of great regular season QB who chokes in the playoffs like Manning.

But the thing is Allen's stats are amazing in the playoffs.

He's just ran into Mahomes 4 times. (and Burrow once. That was on Allen)

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Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

It kind of is already with Allen playing the role of great regular season QB who chokes in the playoffs like Manning.

25-4 TD INT ratio in playoff is a playoff choker. LMAO. Sometimes I wonder what these people are smoking

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Josh Allen just surpassed Mahomes as the fastest player to amass 300 TDs

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by tjforce

But the thing is Allen's stats are amazing in the playoffs.

He's just ran into Mahomes 4 times. (and Burrow once. That was on Allen)

Still considered a playoff choke artist until he gets over the hump.