**Official Luka Doncic Thread**

[deemsterz33]

Optic Holo values seem to be getting hurt quite a bit more by this dip vs. Silver Prizms. Thoughts?

[mglevy125]

Originally Posted by deemsterz33

Optic Holo values seem to be getting hurt quite a bit more by this dip vs. Silver Prizms. Thoughts?

There are SOOOO many of these two cards. With that many printed and how frequently they’re up for sale, they can’t continue climbing upward.

For the people holding on to sell this season, you missed the boat. The higher end stuff will continue to trend upward. I don’t see the same fate for everything else.

[airharrison21]

Originally Posted by mglevy125

There are SOOOO many of these two cards. With that many printed and how frequently they’re up for sale, they can’t continue climbing upward.

For the people holding on to sell this season, you missed the boat. The higher end stuff will continue to trend upward. I don’t see the same fate for everything else.

You don't think optic holo and prizm silvers will go back up a little in price once he returns?

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by mglevy125

There are SOOOO many of these two cards. With that many printed and how frequently they’re up for sale, they can’t continue climbing upward.

For the people holding on to sell this season, you missed the boat. The higher end stuff will continue to trend upward. I don’t see the same fate for everything else.

I disagree. Doesn’t matter how many Silvers or Holos there are. The demand will always outstrip the supply. We’re in an out of sight, out of mind period right now. Of course there was going to be a dip. These dips are always seemingly irrational, but I think have to do with two things.

1. People spending money they don’t actually have.
2. Manipulation on the way up.

If Luka returns and continues his ~30/10/10 pace while the Mavs are a top seed in the playoffs, all of his stuff will be just fine. Maybe the more common cards don’t meet the peaks, but that’s okay. They will again in the future.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

I disagree. Doesn’t matter how many Silvers or Holos there are. The demand will always outstrip the supply. We’re in an out of sight, out of mind period right now. Of course there was going to be a dip. These dips are always seemingly irrational, but I think have to do with two things.

1. People spending money they don’t actually have.
2. Manipulation on the way up.

If Luka returns and continues his ~30/10/10 pace while the Mavs are a top seed in the playoffs, all of his stuff will be just fine. Maybe the more common cards don’t meet the peaks, but that’s okay. They will again in the future.

Agreed. Originally I thought the print run of the silvers and the price was ridiculous. But really, there's over 11,000 non-numbered, non-silver parallels of a certain player in Prizm (not counting fast break and choice) - and none of those parallels are nearly are visually appealing as the silver. So if we lump all the other non-numbered Prizm parallels, it's 11,000 vs 6,000 silvers. People pull for silvers but are satisfied with a green, r/w/b, hyper, etc. Then add on top of that the look and legacy of silvers and the value makes a lot of sense.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

I disagree. Doesn’t matter how many Silvers or Holos there are. The demand will always outstrip the supply. We’re in an out of sight, out of mind period right now. Of course there was going to be a dip. These dips are always seemingly irrational, but I think have to do with two things.

1. People spending money they don’t actually have.
2. Manipulation on the way up.

If Luka returns and continues his ~30/10/10 pace while the Mavs are a top seed in the playoffs, all of his stuff will be just fine. Maybe the more common cards don’t meet the peaks, but that’s okay. They will again in the future.

If anyone hasn't noticed, prices across the board, not just Luka, have been low the last week or two.

A week from Christmas plus post-Prizm hangover causes this every year.

[CoryM]

Sitting on 3 boxes of 18-19 optic contenders. Not sure if I should open em or wait it out and see if prices continue upward

[DajuanWagner]

Originally Posted by mglevy125

There are SOOOO many of these two cards. With that many printed and how frequently they’re up for sale, they can’t continue climbing upward.

For the people holding on to sell this season, you missed the boat. The higher end stuff will continue to trend upward. I don’t see the same fate for everything else.

Don't piss off the Opticbois………...

[whackitrunkl]

Hi Guys,

Just a quick question. I've won a 7 card lot with 4 courtside Luka base cards aout a week ago on Probstein's auctions. Unfortunately there was only 1 photo about the images from front, no back scan either, and no description about the cards, but I've pulled the trigger, because on Probstein's page it says "this seller accepts returns".

I didn't receive them yet, but my main goal is to grade them. So if I think so that the cards are not in gradable condition or wouldn't grade well, is it okay to send them back and ask for a refund? Not sure how it works.
I've never done anything like this earlier and I wouldn't do this with a private seller as I don't think it's ethical, but because of the lack of the detailed scans and because he is accepting returns, probably it's ok to do with probstein? Not sure what do you think about this?

[dlutton]

Originally Posted by whackitrunkl

Hi Guys,

Just a quick question. I've won a 7 card lot with 4 courtside Luka base cards aout a week ago on Probstein's auctions. Unfortunately there was only 1 photo about the images from front, no back scan either, and no description about the cards, but I've pulled the trigger, because on Probstein's page it says "this seller accepts returns".

I didn't receive them yet, but my main goal is to grade them. So if I think so that the cards are not in gradable condition or wouldn't grade well, is it okay to send them back and ask for a refund? Not sure how it works.
I've never done anything like this earlier and I wouldn't do this with a private seller as I don't think it's ethical, but because of the lack of the detailed scans and because he is accepting returns, probably it's ok to do with probstein? Not sure what do you think about this?

If you don't think it's ethical to do so with a user selling his own stuff why would it be any more ethical if it is a user selling his items through Probstein? I've never used his service or any other consigners service but that seems shady on your part...unless the card is in total crap condition but you can't just send back every single card that isn't a perfect 10 haha

[beavers]

Originally Posted by whackitrunkl

Hi Guys,

Just a quick question. I've won a 7 card lot with 4 courtside Luka base cards aout a week ago on Probstein's auctions. Unfortunately there was only 1 photo about the images from front, no back scan either, and no description about the cards, but I've pulled the trigger, because on Probstein's page it says "this seller accepts returns".

I didn't receive them yet, but my main goal is to grade them. So if I think so that the cards are not in gradable condition or wouldn't grade well, is it okay to send them back and ask for a refund? Not sure how it works.
I've never done anything like this earlier and I wouldn't do this with a private seller as I don't think it's ethical, but because of the lack of the detailed scans and because he is accepting returns, probably it's ok to do with probstein? Not sure what do you think about this?

You are buying raw cards, not graded cards. I personally think that is unethical. The card is not owned by Probstein, he is selling them for other individuals. Also, what a crappy mentality to think you can scam a business and it's okay because it's not an individual. If you want a graded card, buy a graded card. If you want a raw card to grade, you are accepting the risk that it might not grade perfectly. Your risk.

[istheskyblew]

Originally Posted by whackitrunkl

Hi Guys,

Just a quick question. I've won a 7 card lot with 4 courtside Luka base cards aout a week ago on Probstein's auctions. Unfortunately there was only 1 photo about the images from front, no back scan either, and no description about the cards, but I've pulled the trigger, because on Probstein's page it says "this seller accepts returns".

I didn't receive them yet, but my main goal is to grade them. So if I think so that the cards are not in gradable condition or wouldn't grade well, is it okay to send them back and ask for a refund? Not sure how it works.
I've never done anything like this earlier and I wouldn't do this with a private seller as I don't think it's ethical, but because of the lack of the detailed scans and because he is accepting returns, probably it's ok to do with probstein? Not sure what do you think about this?

you can't see it, but I am shaking my head right now

edit: I guess I should add that the head shaking is from side to side, not up and down

[ilikenicecards]

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[whackitrunkl]

Originally Posted by dlutton

If you don't think it's ethical to do so with a user selling his own stuff why would it be any more ethical if it is a user selling his items through Probstein? I've never used his service or any other consigners service but that seems shady on your part...unless the card is in total crap condition but you can't just send back every single card that isn't a perfect 10 haha

Originally Posted by beavers

You are buying raw cards, not graded cards. I personally think that is unethical. The card is not owned by Probstein, he is selling them for other individuals. Also, what a crappy mentality to think you can scam a business and it's okay because it's not an individual. If you want a graded card, buy a graded card. If you want a raw card to grade, you are accepting the risk that it might not grade perfectly. Your risk.

I know, I was just asking because they are proudly highlighting in all of their descriptions:
"Probstein123 offers full refunds on returned items."

What's the point of promoting returns? Plus again, normally when I buy a raw card I ask for as many images as I can, especially when it isn't $5 value range. They had only 1 crappy photo with all cards on it (some cards covering each other), no back scan and their description say they offer full refund on returns...

[dlutton]

Originally Posted by whackitrunkl

Just because they are proudly highlighting in their description:
"Probstein123 offers full refunds on returned items."

Yes they offer full refunds if something goes wrong...not if you want a PSA 10 and the card has a slight white mark on the corner. You're buying a raw card. I don't know how this is different than buying from any other seller.

[sethc1020]

Originally Posted by whackitrunkl

Hi Guys,

Just a quick question. I've won a 7 card lot with 4 courtside Luka base cards aout a week ago on Probstein's auctions. Unfortunately there was only 1 photo about the images from front, no back scan either, and no description about the cards, but I've pulled the trigger, because on Probstein's page it says "this seller accepts returns".

I didn't receive them yet, but my main goal is to grade them. So if I think so that the cards are not in gradable condition or wouldn't grade well, is it okay to send them back and ask for a refund? Not sure how it works.
I've never done anything like this earlier and I wouldn't do this with a private seller as I don't think it's ethical, but because of the lack of the detailed scans and because he is accepting returns, probably it's ok to do with probstein? Not sure what do you think about this?

1) If and only If you discussed the condition of the cards and your intentions to grade them with the seller before buying and were assured they were in pristine condition by the seller. 2) IF you bought without discussing any of that with the seller and bought with just a hope they were in gradable condition then it is unethical on your part to return.

If the answer to this question is #2 then I would like to have your ebay ID so I can block you please.

[whackitrunkl]

Originally Posted by sethc1020

1) If and only If you discussed the condition of the cards and your intentions to grade them with the seller before buying and were assured they were in pristine condition by the seller. 2) IF you bought without discussing any of that with the seller bought with just a hope they were in gradable condition then it is unethical on your part to return.

If the answer to this question is #2 then I would like to have your ebay ID so I can block you please.

They actually didn't reply to my message where I requested detailed photos and asked about surface, but because I've seen that they do accept returns, I've pulled the trigger.

Also, I didn't say that I'll return them, so don't kill me in advance. I was also not sure how probstein is working... I won't care if 1 card or maybe 2 cards are "not perfect" out of the 4, but if let's say 3 of the 4 cards has whiteish corners or shitty edges on the back or full with scratches, in that case I don't find it unethical, as they didn't send me detailed scans for my request and didn't reply my question about asking the condition of the surface.

[Spacemanspif]

Originally Posted by whackitrunkl

They actually didn't reply to my message where I requested detailed photos and asked about surface, but because I've seen that they do accept returns, I've pulled the trigger.

Also, I didn't say that I'll return them, so don't kill me in advance. I was also not sure how probstein is working... I won't care if 1 card or maybe 2 cards are "not perfect" out of the 4, but if let's say 3 of the 4 cards has whiteish corners or shitty edges on the back or full with scratches, in that case I don't find it unethical, as they didn't send me detailed scans for my request and didn't reply my question about asking the condition of the surface.

Just return it if you don’t like it, and in the future don’t buy from sellers who don’t answer your requests for additional pictures. Lesson learned. I once returned a Giannis Prizm to them in similar circumstance, they only provided a picture of the front and never disclosed there was a big brown streak across the back. Most of the time they’re just lazy with not providing extra pics, other times it’s deliberate

[whackitrunkl]

Originally Posted by Spacemanspif

Just return it if you don’t like it, and in the future don’t buy from sellers who don’t answer your requests for additional pictures. Lesson learned. I once returned a Giannis Prizm to them in similar circumstance, they only provided a picture of the front and never disclosed there was a big brown streak across the back. Most of the time they’re just lazy with not providing extra pics, other times it’s deliberate

Thanks for your understanding. I’ve kinda thought that it’s normal (i mean not replying), as they are a big company with probably hundreds of auctions running at the same time, but because they were proudly advertising in their description thath they do accept returns and full refunds, I’ve thought I have nothing to lose here.

Last year I was about to buy a purple prizm Luka where the seller refused sending more pics, with the reason he didnt want to hurt the card by taking out from the top loader, but I just asked for taking photos of the corners, so I didnt buy that one. But I think it’s a different situation here buying without extra images as they are a big company and they didn’t even reply.

[estebahn73]

Just got this back from Fanatics. I ordered it like 2 months ago.

I love the photo. Can’t wait until he gets back on the court.


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[theleica]

Any updates on the Spotlight redemptions? I redeemed mine today but figured I’d ask since it was on Panini’s November 1st list as being fulfilled.


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[pejc300]

Originally Posted by deemsterz33

Optic Holo values seem to be getting hurt quite a bit more by this dip vs. Silver Prizms. Thoughts?

Lol because they were pumped like crazy

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by deemsterz33

Optic Holo values seem to be getting hurt quite a bit more by this dip vs. Silver Prizms. Thoughts?

I'm not seeing the dip? PSA 10 just sold for $1,400 and $1,650 a few days ago with raw versions going for $400-$600 depending on centering. Were they much higher than that to consider those numbers a dip?

[RandyC]

Originally Posted by deemsterz33

Optic Holo values seem to be getting hurt quite a bit more by this dip vs. Silver Prizms. Thoughts?

I'm not worried at all. He's another 40 point game away from another 15% increase in price.

The PSA 10 pop report is still at 100.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by estebahn73

Just got this back from Fanatics. I ordered it like 2 months ago.

I love the photo. Can’t wait until he gets back on the court.

Damn that is nice.

I'm moving this summer and patiently waiting to pick up some nice pieces for the new home.