First Buzz: 2019 Topps Series 1 baseball cards (updated with new details)

[cj828282]

Originally Posted by brentandbecca

Once again. Revolution are no more difficult than the other inserts.
I’ve responded to this multiple times.
It’s a 10 card set. So takes 1,040 packs for a set of 10
The 150 card set of 150 years should be better due to more cards and stars. It is 1:7 so takes 1,050 packs for a set.
So revolution is not any more SP than the rest. Don’t just like at the 1:104 odds. 10 cards vs 150 means way more hunting for the 150 years vs revolutions.

I was just basing my comments on observations of the Revolutions inserts being bought up on ebay. I didn't notice any of the other inserts being bought up but then there are few listed.

[DJP73]

Originally Posted by brentandbecca

I am personally selling all my jumbos. I know there still will be some good hits here and there but compared to past and to hobby makes no sense for me to open 90 cases when I have 30 hobby and 15 retail if I really want to open more.

It’s just sad. A release that most everyone looks forward to and enjoys.
I’m not saying you can’t still. No. You can. Just expect less value than past per box or case. If we only knew in advance. That’s the biggest thing. As these changes aren’t small but very significant especially in qty.

I am right behind you, I am also selling most of my Jumbos. I am taking a small loss after shipping and fees but you lose some you win some. I just can't believe Topps would do this. No one in there right mind will pre-order Jumbos after this. At least you were smart enough to buy Hobby. I didnt buy Hobby because takes for ever to break.

[oldgoldy97]

Wow, Wednesday is turning into a pretty crappy release day. At least there’s Optic basketball coming out, too.

[Gradek]

No one should ever pre order again after this. its an absolute F U to anyone who bought early. If I were a big buyer (ie Brent), I would be in touch with an attorney about this and make a very public stink about topps

[jebjeb1]

Originally Posted by brentandbecca

For sure. But those are considered hits.
Which does make a difference in their response.
Not saying it can’t be done but when I go 45 cases without something I should get rather easily yet not a hit it becomes tougher.

And We all know about the Ginter wood minis. Which still has never been resolved.

Topps is lucky they are not a publicly traded company in a heavy regulated industry. The other issue is there is no true media/press source covering the hobby that can hold Topps accountable for their actions.

If my company did even a fraction of the blatant bait and switch Topps pulls people would lose their jobs or even worse if the regulators stepped in.

My biggest issue with Topps in recent years is not having to disclose insert rates on any of the better name autos. First glance at any sell sheet for a new product is plastered with autos of all the great players in the game. The checklist comes out a few weeks later and even thought it is a mix of players you still see guys like Trout, Harper on the checklist. What Topps never has to disclose is guys like Ryan O'Hearn have signed 1,000+ autos for every Trout auto. Even on the low #d parallels Topps only has guys like Trout sign a fraction of the #d autos. If their is a Gold Version #d to 50 O'Hearn will sign all 50 but Trout may only sign 25 yet they still number his cards to 50.

[DJP73]

Originally Posted by Gradek

No one should ever pre order again after this. its an absolute F U to anyone who bought early. If I were a big buyer (ie Brent), I would be in touch with an attorney about this and make a very public stink about topps

I have a feeling they will take a lot of heat for this one. Just think they pay people to come up with this crap.

[DJP73]

I worry about Heritage know. People are all ready Pre-selling sets on Ebay. They could do the same thing again.

[TarjetasBéisbol]

As many of us know, there are Topps employees who are members here, feel free to chime in at any time since we all know you read these threads.

[jadams67]

I can say, I have seen worse.

[brentandbecca]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Have to fight the man! The guy who broke 35 cases already and didn’t hit a single SP should be in contact with Topps tomorrow. If there are no SPs, the product should be pulled. This isn’t like Ginter, where you not hitting a wood was any different than what you expected.

I expected to hit a wood though. Multiple.
I open more than anyone.
Plus no one hit a wood. Across the entire print run. That’s the point on the woods.

Also I have opened 45 cases of heritage without hitting any sp errors, traded, throwbacks etc which I should have had around 32 or so.

Then there have been time where I’ve opened 80+ cases and missed out on 1 per Box odds things. Not guaranteed hits. So those have always been tough to get full replacements. At least for me due to my qty. they always say they don’t have enough to fill what’s missing

Again. I’m not saying don’t try. Try!!
But man if 7000 jumbo cases are missing SP cards they need to get to printing tomorrow.

[PDCCollectibles]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Wow, Wednesday is turning into a pretty crappy release day. At least there’s Optic basketball coming out, too.

I'm still looking forward to it.....a few less inserts and sp's won't damper the fun of ripping.

[allstarauction]

Originally Posted by brentandbecca

I expected to hit a wood though. Multiple.
I open more than anyone.
Plus no one hit a wood. Across the entire print run. That’s the point on the woods.

Also I have opened 45 cases of heritage without hitting any sp errors, traded, throwbacks etc which I should have had around 32 or so.

Then there have been time where I’ve opened 80+ cases and missed out on 1 per Box odds things. Not guaranteed hits. So those have always been tough to get full replacements. At least for me due to my qty. they always say they don’t have enough to fill what’s missing

Again. I’m not saying don’t try. Try!!
But man if 7000 jumbo cases are missing SP cards they need to get to printing tomorrow.

Yet with all of these issues people still pre-order Topps cards? Very confusing to me.

Not to mention the people who are saying they won't pre-buy Jumbo going forward... Why would you pre-buy anything? This could have just as easily happened to hobby and jumbo could have been loaded.

It's shocking to me that people continue to allow this to happen to them, especially with so many recent examples of being taken advantage of.

[Soxfanguy]

Hobby boxes over/under 25 bucks by March?

[Thor34]

Originally Posted by Soxfanguy

Hobby boxes over/under 25 bucks by March?

Over. They never get that low this soon.

[babybull]

Originally Posted by jebjeb1

Topps is lucky they are not a publicly traded company in a heavy regulated industry. The other issue is there is no true media/press source covering the hobby that can hold Topps accountable for their actions.

If my company did even a fraction of the blatant bait and switch Topps pulls people would lose their jobs or even worse if the regulators stepped in.

My biggest issue with Topps in recent years is not having to disclose insert rates on any of the better name autos. First glance at any sell sheet for a new product is plastered with autos of all the great players in the game. The checklist comes out a few weeks later and even thought it is a mix of players you still see guys like Trout, Harper on the checklist. What Topps never has to disclose is guys like Ryan O'Hearn have signed 1,000+ autos for every Trout auto. Even on the low #d parallels Topps only has guys like Trout sign a fraction of the #d autos. If their is a Gold Version #d to 50 O'Hearn will sign all 50 but Trout may only sign 25 yet they still number his cards to 50.

We're not buying a necessity like gasoline here. It's spending our disposable income on non-essential needs. You can watch a great movie trailer on TV, pay your 10 bucks to see it, then find it it's the worst piece of trash ever made. Do we expect the Hollywood police to make us whole? We can stop buying sports cards anytime we want.

[gguffey]

Originally Posted by Thor34

Over. They never get that low this soon.

Agree. $25 would be a great buy at that point in my opinion.

[DJP73]

I still wonder what Topps was thinking to kill such a good thing. Series 1 was always a big seller and had a great following. If people have to pay 400-500 for a master set it just may drive them away. I guess thats what happens when you get greedy

[gguffey]

Originally Posted by brentandbecca

But man if 7000 jumbo cases are missing SP cards they need to get to printing tomorrow.

What would they print and how would they distribute? Many of those boxes would already be in the hands of a second or third person.

[Stech36]

Originally Posted by Soxfanguy

Hobby boxes over/under 25 bucks by March?

It’s not Hobby that’s so bad. It’s jumbo

[DJP73]

Originally Posted by gguffey

What would they print and how would they distribute? Many of those boxes would already be in the hands of a second or third person.

Question is , where are all the Sp's if there not in Jumbo. Could Hobby got all those by Mistake

[PDCCollectibles]

Originally Posted by DJP73

I worry about Heritage know. People are all ready Pre-selling sets on Ebay. They could do the same thing again.

Pre selling base is ok....Masters may be another story.

[lauriontj]

Do you think all this crap Topps is pulling will drive the price of the master sets up higher?

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by DJP73

Question is , where are all the Sp's if there not in Jumbo. Could Hobby got all those by Mistake

It would be (hilariously) sad if they didn’t pack out the SPs in hobby nor jumbo.

[DJP73]

Originally Posted by PDCCollectibles

Pre selling base is ok....Masters may be another story.

I mean people are selling HERITAGE MASTER SETS. its over a month away. What If Topps pulls the same crap

[cj828282]

Is any one opening a hobby case tomorrow or Tuesday?