2021 NBA Draft Discussion

[gomiamigo]

Jaden Springer great pick for PHL who fits on a guy most everyone had mocked going several picks higher. Excellent defender, can create his shot, good FT shooter, good handles. Definitely also a Maxey replacement if a big trade takes place.

Like the two bigs drafted at end of 2nd, the Gonzaga guy /Serb MVP will be a stash for a year presumably, and Bassey is interesting. Start in G League most likely.


I like Suggs but don't see him as a superstar, he's not athletic enough.

[oldgoldy97]

Yeah, he’s no Chris Paul or John Stockton.

[oshmeehan]

Originally Posted by gomiamigo

Jaden Springer great pick for PHL who fits on a guy most everyone had mocked going several picks higher. Excellent defender, can create his shot, good FT shooter, good handles. Definitely also a Maxey replacement if a big trade takes place.

Like the two bigs drafted at end of 2nd, the Gonzaga guy /Serb MVP will be a stash for a year presumably, and Bassey is interesting. Start in G League most likely.


I like Suggs but don't see him as a superstar, he's not athletic enough.

Suggs maybe like a Brandon Roy/Jamal Murray type?

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by gomiamigo

Jaden Springer great pick for PHL who fits on a guy most everyone had mocked going several picks higher. Excellent defender, can create his shot, good FT shooter, good handles. Definitely also a Maxey replacement if a big trade takes place.

Like the two bigs drafted at end of 2nd, the Gonzaga guy /Serb MVP will be a stash for a year presumably, and Bassey is interesting. Start in G League most likely.


I like Suggs but don't see him as a superstar, he's not athletic enough.

Isn't athleticism one of Suggs' strengths? A quick google search on Suggs scouting reports and they all list athleticism as a 10/10 or one of his top strengths.

[Erikthredd]

While Boston's 2nd rounder Johann Begarin is likely a draft & stash oversees,I'm really digging their Two Way signing of Sam Hauser after the draft. He just missed a 50/40/90 (54/41/89) season in 25 games at Virginia. Watching his highlights reminds me of Gordon Hayward.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by TSonn

Isn't athleticism one of Suggs' strengths? A quick google search on Suggs scouting reports and they all list athleticism as a 10/10 or one of his top strengths.

I would say he's more of a functional athlete, not an explosive one.

That being said I don't think athleticism has anything to do with him being a star or not. To me, he just seems average to above average across the board without any standout skills

[yiguiri2002]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

I would say he's more of a functional athlete, not an explosive one.

That being said I don't think athleticism has anything to do with him being a star or not. To me, he just seems average to above average across the board without any standout skills

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong (anyone), but wasn't that one of the biggest knocks on Brogdon? Can Suggs follow a similar career trajectory?

I'm saying this as someone who has barely watched any basketball outside of the NBA and whose exposure to Suggs is basically the last 2 games of the NCAA tournament.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong (anyone), but wasn't that one of the biggest knocks on Brogdon? Can Suggs follow a similar career trajectory?

I'm saying this as someone who has barely watched any basketball outside of the NBA and whose exposure to Suggs is basically the last 2 games of the NCAA tournament.

It's funny because that's my exact NBA comp. I think he'll be a really good player who won't really light up the box score. If you're banking on him carrying your team, probably not gonna happen.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by oshmeehan

Suggs maybe like a Brandon Roy/Jamal Murray type?

Don’t steal from the Ringer. Haha

“SHADES OF
Brandon Roy, Chauncey Billups, Jamal Murray”

[oshmeehan]

Originally Posted by asujbl

Don’t steal from the Ringer. Haha

“SHADES OF
Brandon Roy, Chauncey Billups, Jamal Murray”

Haha nice! I actually didn't, but was just trying to come up with some SG's that weren't necessarily known for their athleticism
.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by oshmeehan

Haha nice! I actually didn't, but was just trying to come up with some SG's that weren't necessarily known for their athleticism
.

Oh I know. I just happened to be reading the draft grade article as you posted it.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

I would say he's more of a functional athlete, not an explosive one.

That being said I don't think athleticism has anything to do with him being a star or not. To me, he just seems average to above average across the board without any standout skills

Interesting. I can see that. When you watch him nothing jumps out at you as being a supreme athlete, but I honestly think that's because he's got really great body control (which is part of his excellent athleticism).

I know it's just 1 series of plays, but the block from behind into the half court bounce pass in the tourney is something that maybe only 1% of players can do. Also, this pass is simply redonk.

But I somewhat agree - nothing JUMPS out at you watching him, but he seems to do things that most cannot. And I attribute that to his crazy athleticism making things look easy when they are not.

Suggs recently stated that he's never been able to dedicate all of his time to basketball (football, school) so now that he's in the NBA, he'll be able to work on his skills 100%. So I see him more of a Chauncey Billups guy right now, but he could still be a late bloomer in terms of scoring and could turn into a Jamal Murray / Chauncey Billups type.

[yiguiri2002]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

It's funny because that's my exact NBA comp. I think he'll be a really good player who won't really light up the box score. If you're banking on him carrying your team, probably not gonna happen.

I don't think Brodgon will ever become an All-Star. That being said, if you had the option of picking him at #5, would that be crazy? You rarely see drafts with more than 4 All-Stars. It seems that it's not bad as a safe pick, specially for a franchise that hasn't had a drafted All-Star in a long time.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

I don't think Brodgon will ever become an All-Star. That being said, if you had the option of picking him at #5, would that be crazy? You rarely see drafts with more than 4 All-Stars. It seems that it's not bad as a safe pick, specially for a franchise that hasn't had a drafted All-Star in a long time.

There were 5 in his draft so you’d have to take him 6th. Haha

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by TSonn

Interesting. I can see that. When you watch him nothing jumps out at you as being a supreme athlete, but I honestly think that's because he's got really great body control (which is part of his excellent athleticism).

I know it's just 1 series of plays, but the block from behind into the half court bounce pass in the tourney is something that maybe only 1% of players can do. Also, this pass is simply redonk.

But I somewhat agree - nothing JUMPS out at you watching him, but he seems to do things that most cannot. And I attribute that to his crazy athleticism making things look easy when they are not.

Suggs recently stated that he's never been able to dedicate all of his time to basketball (football, school) so now that he's in the NBA, he'll be able to work on his skills 100%. So I see him more of a Chauncey Billups guy right now, but he could still be a late bloomer in terms of scoring and could turn into a Jamal Murray / Chauncey Billups type.

Gonzaga was so insanely good and stacked that its hard to tell how much benefit to his game the surrounding guys were. The skill gap in the NBA is obviously much smaller.

The one thing that is sort of concerning to me (if you think he's going to be a primary ball handler) is his handle in traffic. He's not a super creative ball handler and often would get kinda stuck in the middle of the floor between 2-3 guys. It doesn't matter so much in college but will matter quite a bit for an NBA PG. He's not a great shooter off the dribble either.

It's so tough for a guy like Suggs too because from everything I've read he's one of those guys who has the IT factor. Super hard worker that you can bank on to maximize his physical talents.

[yiguiri2002]

Originally Posted by asujbl

There were 5 in his draft so you’d have to take him 6th. Haha

Lol, to be fair, that was kind of the exception. You have to go back to 2012 to find that many All-Stars.

That being said, it's crazy how good the 2016 class ended up being. No major superstars but 5 All-Star and another one with a good shot of being one (Murray). Even LeVert and Brogdon have a decent shot being in the East.

[jswest18]

Originally Posted by brothertona

Sharife Cooper and Jalen Johnson to the Hawks - pretty strong draft - both were predicted at times to go in the lottery.

Good draft for the Hawks based on upside. I really like getting Cooper so late. He's one of the few guys in the draft and the NBA right now that can somewhat run the offense like Trae when he's not on the court. There should be a lot of consistency and fluidity with him running backup PG. If he can ever develop a shot then its a steal late in the second round.

I'm honestly not as excited about Johnson. I just feel there are too many questions surrounding him. I'd have like a guy like Keon or even Springer more. I guess there's a little more projectability for Jalen though considering his size and passing ability.

[brothertona]

Jalen has the most bust potential but there is a kind of reality where he becomes somewhat of a Ben-Lite. A passing big, that can defend 1-4. They needed a solid passing big-man and Jalen has incredible court vision. He just has effort issues, and he's not a great shooter but there were times he looked like a top 5 guy.

[jswest18]

Originally Posted by brothertona

Jalen has the most bust potential but there is a kind of reality where he becomes somewhat of a Ben-Lite. A passing big, that can defend 1-4. They needed a solid passing big-man and Jalen has incredible court vision. He just has effort issues, and he's not a great shooter but there were times he looked like a top 5 guy.

Right. At 20 it's a good pick. The Hawks could afford to take a shot on him. I just don't like guys with effort issues. I'm also concerned that his defense, while versatile, will never be great.

[Bulls90s]

Originally Posted by bulljh

This should scare you.

Why?

[helstad]

I'm still buzzing for Neemias

[k13]

McClung signed with the Lakers.

If he plays his cards will be Top 10 from this class.

[MIRRABB]

Originally Posted by k13

McClung signed with the Lakers.

If he plays his cards will be Top 10 from this class.

An undersized combo guard who shoots poorly. If he sticks in the NBA for a minute it will be an accomplishment.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by k13

McClung signed with the Lakers.

If he plays his cards will be Top 10 from this class.

Wait…

This is super wrong, obviously since it’s you, but almost kind of positive

That’s not your style

Who kidnapped you? Post gibberish if you need help

[RogerGodahell]

K13 actually likes someone? I never thought i'd see the day