Carl Nassib

[Westwave]

"Where are the white people being discriminated against?" Hot Takes

Bret Weinstein (a liberal) had to quit his teaching job cause he was white and wanted to show up to work on a day that didn't allow white people to attend college (which is racist). He was harassed enough until he felt it necessary to quit.

Before all the "That's one example in the history of white culture." takes this is happening all over the place right now and if you just tuned out your MSNBC, CNN and Fox News biases you would find out about these stories.

[49erRCCollector]

Originally Posted by mike1498

I'm kinda curious about this question.

If you were to come out as a homosexual, would most of your family and friends stop talking to you?

I fear that coming out is scary for a lot of people because we have so many individuals saying how homophobic America is when its really only a small vocal minority who are truly homophobic.

I do applaud Nassib for what he did. Unfortunately I feel people who keep pushing the narrative that America isn't accepting to anything that isn't white, straight, and male is the reason why so many people fear coming out. Not because most of America isn't accepting

To even prove this point even more, look at how many jerseys he's already sold and how much money he's raised for LGBT suicide prevention. Stop pushing this fake narrative that america as a majority isn't accepting. You're the reason why people are afraid to come out.

Google “ statistics on gay violence” and read up on government statistics.

I don’t think your point in entirely invalid but you may be overstating how accepted it is. Homophobia is alive and well in the US. It may not manifest in violence every time, but it is still a statistically significant issue.

[49erRCCollector]

Originally Posted by Westwave

"Where are the white people being discriminated against?" Hot Takes

Bret Weinstein (a liberal) had to quit his teaching job cause he was white and wanted to show up to work on a day that didn't allow white people to attend college (which is racist). He was harassed enough until he felt it necessary to quit.

Before all the "That's one example in the history of white culture." takes this is happening all over the place right now and if you just tuned out your MSNBC, CNN and Fox News biases you would find out about these stories.

If you are claiming that this story is indicative of how straight white males are being treated, that’s just not reality. Your description of what happened is an oversimplification and you left out the part where he tried to shake down the school for $3.8 million after he appeared on FOX news. I’m sure none of this was orchestrated on his part for financial gain.

If you are going to stick to this narrative you’re going to have to do better than this. Maybe this works on others, ain’t gonna work here.

[salthill]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

Yeah…it got INCREDIBLY worse when every left wing activist decided it was okay to condone racism/discriminate against straight white males, especially if they are Christian. It’s the hip thing to do these days, and easy to do behind keyboards.

It’s so hard for straight white Christian males, probably because they’re underrepresented at every level of politics, business, education, sports etc.
I mean who can they possibly find as role models? Representation matters!

[codered]

Originally Posted by mike1498

I'm kinda curious about this question.

If you were to come out as a homosexual, would most of your family and friends stop talking to you?

I fear that coming out is scary for a lot of people because we have so many individuals saying how homophobic America is when its really only a small vocal minority who are truly homophobic.

I do applaud Nassib for what he did. Unfortunately I feel people who keep pushing the narrative that America isn't accepting to anything that isn't white, straight, and male is the reason why so many people fear coming out. Not because most of America isn't accepting

To even prove this point even more, look at how many jerseys he's already sold and how much money he's raised for LGBT suicide prevention. Stop pushing this fake narrative that america as a majority isn't accepting. You're the reason why people are afraid to come out.

There has been over 250 anti-LGBTQ bills purposed in the US this year, bills that attempt to limit or dismantle their protections but yeah okay it’s people creating a fake narrative causing people to be afraid to come out

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

Google “ statistics on gay violence” and read up on government statistics.

I don’t think your point in entirely invalid but you may be overstating how accepted it is. Homophobia is alive and well in the US. It may not manifest in violence every time, but it is still a statistically significant issue.

Obviously no one is going to deny they are targeted at higher rates than some other groups. Making a video of saying you're coming out will not change the amount of attacks on this group of people.

The reason I see what Nassib did as beneficial is because of this. Nassib was able to say something he thought he may be judged for by his fellow friends, family, teammates and fans and was probably pleasantly surprised by all the support.

I walk into this thread seeing "america is white, straight and male"

Not only do I feel this event disproved this statement, I think people who continue to push this narrative after this event are clearly trying to push a different agenda.

No one's saying the systems perfect. People who genuinely are homophobic were not affected by this event. People who are not homophobic probably weren't affected by this event either. The only true people that were probably affected by this event are the people who are scared to come out because of this backlash that a group of people keep pushing. When we make ignorant comments about how america hasn't progressed makes it equally as hard for people to come out as people who explicitly say homophobic things.

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by salthill

It’s so hard for straight white Christian males, probably because they’re underrepresented at every level of politics, business, education, sports etc.
I mean who can they possibly find as role models? Representation matters!

I think for working class whites it’s the fact that most of those leaders don’t really represent them and certainly don’t relate to them.

I think for working class minorities it’s the fact that most of the white leadership is more interested in showcasing the handful of non-whites they’ve let into the club without actually investing in the grassroots programs that would makes access to those seats of power truly equitable.

But don’t let me interrupt the culture wars……

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by codered

There has been over 250 anti-LGBTQ bills purposed in the US this year, bills that attempt to limit or dismantle their protections but yeah okay it’s people creating a fake narrative causing people to be afraid to come out

So are we going to ignore all the support that Nassib has received since coming out? I never said america is perfect. There are homophobic people. But for the America you speak of, what has happened these last couple days couldn't have happened.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by salthill

It’s so hard for straight white Christian males, probably because they’re underrepresented at every level of politics, business, education, sports etc.
I mean who can they possibly find as role models? Representation matters!

I’m anti-role model.

[Noles939913]

His Prizm Draft Picks rookie sticker auto which ironically was the “tie dye” parallel ended at $355 last night.

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by mike1498

So are we going to ignore all the support that Nassib has received since coming out? I never said america is perfect. There are homophobic people. But for the America you speak of, what has happened these last couple days couldn't have happened.

You ain’t wrong.

I support most progressive policies, but I still find it super weird how terrified many people are to admit that we’ve actually made progress.

[omega145]

Originally Posted by mike1498

The only true people that were probably affected by this event are the people who are scared to come out because of this backlash that a group of people keep pushing.

Isn't that good enough?

[jlzinck]

Originally Posted by mike1498

I'm kinda curious about this question.

If you were to come out as a homosexual, would most of your family and friends stop talking to you?

.

I work with a young girl. She came out to her family. He mother does not speak to her.

the mother is an awful human being

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

You ain’t wrong.

I support most progressive policies, but I still find it super weird how terrified many people are to admit that we’ve actually made progress.

Progress to what and who determines the end goal of progress?

This seems to be an assumed, known point. Other cultures throughout history have been at much different level of “progress” compared to us today.

I think the idea of the human race as constantly progressing towards some assumed end point as one the biggest intellectual fallacies today.

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

You ain’t wrong.

I support most progressive policies, but I still find it super weird how terrified many people are to admit that we’ve actually made progress.

I'm convinced there's a small minority of people who use this for political gain unfortunately.

I know most people still just trying to point out the problems in America that still need to be fixed. I respect that. But not acknowledging progress either doesn't help move us forward either because we start to think that tolerance can't be taught since "nothing has changed".

[TheFrenzy]

At the same time, it would be intellectually dishonest to ignore the fact that we Americans are—Puritanism be damned—among the most sexually tolerant people on earth.

[Astros19]

I haven't read every comment so I apologize if I'm being redundant.
I'm 60 years old, white male and consider myself socially moderate and fiscally conservative.
I don't care one iota who loves who or who marries who.
What I'm not a big fan of is ultra flamboyant gay men. Now I see flamboyancy in a completely different light than I do just being gay. I'm not a big fan of anyone, regardless of the sexuality, who leans towards being one of those ultra macho tough guys either. Or a person who thinks their sh!t is better than anyone else. I'm not a fan of country folk who go all out in western gear but I don't hate country folk. Not a fan of people that wear their pants so low that there underwear covered asses are exposed for all to see, a trait that I believe started in the black communities, but I certainly don't hate black people.
Does that make me a bigot towards gay people because I don't care for a person's personality trait?
I would also add that I've seen gay pride parades where some are dressed extremely bizarre in my eyes, and I tend to believe that does more to harm their cause than help it.
Just my 2 cents.

Kudos to this man for having the courage to come out as who he is.

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[mike1498]

Originally Posted by jlzinck

I work with a young girl. She came out to her family. He mother does not speak to her.

the mother is an awful human being

That is truly awful. My hope is she has a strong support system outside of her mother. My hope is in today's climate there is a support outside of her mother but you would know better than I would. We will never end homophobia but my hope is that everyone knows someone they can fall back on for support.

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

Progress to what and who determines the end goal of progress?

This seems to be an assumed, known point. Other cultures throughout history have been at much different level of “progress” compared to us today.

I think the idea of the human race as constantly progressing towards some assumed end point as one the biggest intellectual fallacies today.

Ooooooh, we’re both probably on the same wavelength here.

If you ever want to blow minds, just ask if the belief in a Sky God, the rejection of modern science, the maintenance of strict gender roles, and the enforcement of sexual taboos is a sign of a backwards culture…

…then ask if it makes a difference whether we are taking about Baptists in Alabama or Indigenous peoples.

While I personally support the ideal of a truly just, equitable, and tolerant society—I also realize that the global implementation of such a society would mean so much cultural genocide. It’s the ultimate catch-22.

[49erRCCollector]

Originally Posted by mike1498

Obviously no one is going to deny they are targeted at higher rates than some other groups. Making a video of saying you're coming out will not change the amount of attacks on this group of people

Can we know this, confidently? You are basing your point to a degree on the idea that his action isn't changing the amount of attacks,.

As has been pointed out donations for the Trevor Project are up, directly tied to his announcement.

That helps people.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Ooooooh, we’re both probably on the same wavelength here.

If you ever want to blow minds, just ask if the belief in a Sky God, the rejection of modern science, the maintenance of strict gender roles, and the enforcement of sexual taboos is a sign of a backwards culture…

…then ask if it makes a difference whether we are taking about Baptists in Alabama or Indigenous peoples.

While I personally support the ideal of a truly just, equitable, and tolerant society—I also realize that the global implementation of such a society would mean so much cultural genocide. It’s the ultimate catch-22.

Maybe I’ll give ska music a chance after all.

[49erRCCollector]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

Maybe I’ll give ska music a chance after all.

Easy. That's the kind of progress we DON'T need.

[Eckstein197]

Originally Posted by mike1498

I'm kinda curious about this question.

If you were to come out as a homosexual, would most of your family and friends stop talking to you?

I fear that coming out is scary for a lot of people because we have so many individuals saying how homophobic America is when its really only a small vocal minority who are truly homophobic.

I do applaud Nassib for what he did. Unfortunately I feel people who keep pushing the narrative that America isn't accepting to anything that isn't white, straight, and male is the reason why so many people fear coming out. Not because most of America isn't accepting

To even prove this point even more, look at how many jerseys he's already sold and how much money he's raised for LGBT suicide prevention. Stop pushing this fake narrative that america as a majority isn't accepting. You're the reason why people are afraid to come out.

I think a large part of this depends on where you live. Some parts of the country are more accepting. In large parts of the southern states, it’s very much a fear that family and friends won’t accept you if you come out.

Unfortunately a large portion of homophobia derives from people using the Bible as an excuse, when in reality the word “homosexual” wasn’t used in a bible until 1946. People using the Bible as an excuse for their homophobia are just uncomfortable with people living different lives than they’ve lived and don’t wanna change/accept others with a different life style

[codered]

Originally Posted by mike1498

So are we going to ignore all the support that Nassib has received since coming out? I never said america is perfect. There are homophobic people. But for the America you speak of, what has happened these last couple days couldn't have happened.

You’re not wrong when you say progress has been made but we still have a long way to go. Unfortunately there is still people in positions of power that hold oppressive views towards the LGBTQ community. Even if the majority of society is accepting the aggressively vocal minority still cause enough fear to keep people closeted.

To keep it related to sports, it wasn’t that long ago (7-8 years) that Mark Jackson said “not in my locker room” when asked about accepting a gay player. Imagine being a closeted player in the NBA knowing at least one coach wasn’t accepting and was willing to express that view to everyone.

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

Can we know this, confidently? You are basing your point to a degree on the idea that his action isn't changing the amount of attacks,.

As has been pointed out donations for the Trevor Project are up, directly tied to his announcement.

That helps people.

Well I guess the question would be why would the physical act of someone coming out make someone else all the sudden not homophobic?

Like I was saying before. I think the importance of what we have learned the last couple days is that people are being supported for being who they are. To your point, this has been shown with the Trevor Project and his jersey sales.

People are so focused on the physical act of coming out. It's probably why you have some people saying "why does he publicly have to announce he's coming out". These people are either homophobic or genuinely don't understand why anyone would treat that person different regardless of their orientation.

What I think is most important (and embracing when results are positive) is how society as a whole responds. When we see results like we've seen, it's exciting because it means that we have more tolerant people than we thought to have had. Him physically coming out probably didn't create these tolerant people. We just didn't know we had them until we saw the support he received for coming out. If we acknowledge the support he's received, we are encouraging other people to be themselves. We should be utilizing this moment as encouragement for others to be their true selves. Not ignoring it and say "well the problem isn't 100% solved yet"

That's why I think it's counterproductive to keep pushing the idea that there hasn't been progress.