2022 Topps Chrome Baseball Pre Sale.. thoughts? - Page 171

OneSickDegen · 09-20-2022, 07:54 AM

Would be awesome if they forgot to include them in the silver packs also.

theshowandme · 09-20-2022, 07:56 AM

Curious what the odds will be. Throwing out 1:5 just to see where this might land

95000 hobby boxes were printed

1 silver pack per box

1:5 packs for SP would = 19000 extended base SPs

19000 / 5 players = 3800 extended base SPs per player

Idk, I don't think these are going to be short printed into the hundreds or even low 1000s

lauriontj · 09-20-2022, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by brothertona

Real Breaks had a solid response to it

1) All people who bought boxes or cases from www.realsportscards.com or from Real Sportscards Minnesota or Real Sportscards Wisconsin will receive silver packs.
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2) All people in Pick Your Team (PYT) breaks who have purchased teams affected by the missing SPs in breaks (Mariners, Royals, Tigers, Padres, Reds) will be allocated with an equitable share of silver packs. Example, the person paying $695 for the Mariners in a PYT will get more packs than the person paying $180 for the Reds.
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3) All people in Traditional Random Team breaks (27 spots) who received one of the SP affected teams will be allocated with an equitable share of silver packs relative to the PYT value of the team.
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4) All people in Random Team with a Twist breaks (24 spots) who received the Tigers, Reds, or Padres will be guaranteed a silver pack allocation and the remaining packs will be randomed to all teams (all spots had a chance at Rays or Mariners for one box).

https://www.facebook.com/groups/real...6678341677605/

This needs to be praised. Well done Real Sportscards!

mc1 · 09-20-2022, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by NCWolf

I feel bad for people that bought hobby boxes from SCC... Let's just say they haven't had the best publicity lately with distributing single, "unsearched" packs - just ask RunGoodLife

That guy should be the last one calling out anyone.

SupermanBrandon · 09-20-2022, 08:00 AM

Topps actually made this situation worse. They opened another door, for another scandal.

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pewe · 09-20-2022, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by lauriontj

This needs to be praised. Well done Real Sportscards!

why would the breaks allocate packs... shouldn't they break the packs, and send the cards themselves to the winner of that spot?

pewe · 09-20-2022, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Topps actually made this situation worse. They opened another door, for another scandal.

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"all news is good news"

...isn't that how it goes???

base set · 09-20-2022, 08:09 AM

That letter is a classic. When your subcontractor craps the bed making your product, you don’t “reach out” to them. Sorry, not sorry, that’s totally clutching pearls on the bingo card of how not to say ‘we fuct this up’

Ianhatcher · 09-20-2022, 08:09 AM

It's unbelievable how many people read "randomly inserted in these packs" as packs with the SP cards in them making them base cards and worthless now...

I hate to say it but what was Topps supposed to do? Hopefully many of the breakers and resellers do the right thing as well and give the packs to their customers but I wouldn't be surprised if many of them keep them and sell them to profit.

pewe · 09-20-2022, 08:11 AM

Question on my mind: is this starting to make people feel BB21 was an error? Or are we still thinking all of these issues are pure Topps employee conspiracy to steal our $$ and trash Fanatics???

The Accountant · 09-20-2022, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Ianhatcher

It's unbelievable how many people read "randomly inserted in these packs" as packs with the SP cards in them making them base cards and worthless now...

I hate to say it but what was Topps supposed to do? Hopefully many of the breakers and resellers do the right thing as well and give the packs to their customers but I wouldn't be surprised if many of them keep them and sell them to profit.

We will need a callout thread to see who is screwing who. Unfortunately, I don't think we're getting much transparency as to whose getting them and how many, especially once they get in the distro's hands. It's going to be easy for breakers to say... "oh we didn't get any of those" meanwhile they're sitting on hundreds of packs.

The Accountant · 09-20-2022, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by pewe

Question on my mind: is this starting to make people feel BB21 was an error? Or are we still thinking all of these issues are pure Topps employee conspiracy to steal our $$ and trash Fanatics???

Errors for sure IMO. There should be checks and balances keeping an employee from going rogue... "should" lol

JRX · 09-20-2022, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Boo

They are probably printing more "SPs" to put in the silver packs.

So that's what I was wondering. I find it hard to believe they had sheets of these sitting around in the factor. Also, as an aside, way to blame the 3rd party topps. The fact that the jumbos were bricked means they were packed long ago they had to know they had no sps. If the rest of the sps were inserted into later production runs then there wouldn't be a bunch sitting around for silver packs.

Redbirdgrad · 09-20-2022, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by lauriontj

This needs to be praised. Well done Real Sportscards!

Realbreaks should be anything but praised.

After knowing of the problem, they continued to price their breaks at levels as if the cards were still there, and as the pricing on cases dropped, their breaks didn't drop with it.

When someone 48 hours ago asked for their response to the SP situation, the post was removed from their facebook page (unless facebook hid it like they've done several times on my timeline because facebook is awful).

Realbreaks is trying to look like the good guy here, but they were scrambling to make as much as they could off chrome when they realized the cards weren't in there, and never touched the subject until now.

soicanbefree · 09-20-2022, 08:27 AM

You guys asked for more base and you are going to get it!

These are going to hold very little value when said and done.

My prediction is high 5 or low 6 figure production of each.

JRX · 09-20-2022, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by base set

That letter is a classic. When your subcontractor craps the bed making your product, you don’t “reach out” to them. Sorry, not sorry, that’s totally clutching pearls on the bingo card of how not to say ‘we fuct this up’

I doubt the subcontractor messed up. Topps/Fanatics probably came up with the idea for sp rookies after the first batch was already packed and cased up. They're throwing them under the bus instead of owning it.

hermanotarjeta · 09-20-2022, 08:30 AM

This program has killed the potential value of these sp cards, sorry!

pewe · 09-20-2022, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

This program has killed the potential value of these sp cards, sorry!

They do kind of remind me of factory set SP variations at this point...

I guess they've increased the value of Chrome Update?

JoshMN · 09-20-2022, 08:31 AM

Looks like hobby and and hobby cases pulled from the Topps site for now (but not listed as sold out)? I only see value and hobby lite.

hermanotarjeta · 09-20-2022, 08:33 AM

Just goes to show topps was banking on their wander money train for this product. These late additions were added when they realized the value wasn’t there based on the floods of preorders they got.

OhioLawyerF5 · 09-20-2022, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by JRX

So that's what I was wondering. I find it hard to believe they had sheets of these sitting around in the factor. Also, as an aside, way to blame the 3rd party topps. The fact that the jumbos were bricked means they were packed long ago they had to know they had no sps. If the rest of the sps were inserted into later production runs then there wouldn't be a bunch sitting around for silver packs.

This keeps getting stated, but it makes no sense. Topps Chrome boxes have been sitting on shelves for years and get opened with no bricking. The length of time Chrome cards sit on the shelf isn't the issue with bricking. That was the case with UV coated paper cards. But not Chrome. Whether this Chrome release sat on shelves in a factory for a couple months or not will not have any affect on bricking. Otherwise, every box of 2021 Chrome that's opened today would be bricked. The bricking with 2022 Jumbos is most likely due to cutting and packaging the cards before the Chrome printing was completely cured/non-tacky. It is not evidence it was printed long ago.

NYRE2PECT · 09-20-2022, 08:33 AM

What a mess….glad to be in the sidelines.

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hermanotarjeta · 09-20-2022, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by pewe

They do kind of remind me of factory set SP variations at this point...

I guess they've increased the value of Chrome Update?

Yes, if they do it right. Needs to have a better image and parallels.

You can assume almost all these sp cards will reach circulation, and some people will have huge lots of them.

This wouldn’t be possible if the sp were tucked away in sealed hobby and jumbo boxes deeply stowed away in warehouses.

cj828282 · 09-20-2022, 08:38 AM

I believe Topps was trying to appease the collector's and get the highly sought after rookies into TC. It backfired and has turned into quite the mess. Perhaps it would have been better to not have the ESPs in the product at all and save for TCU. The logistical challenges of trying to get the early call ups into a highly produced product.

yodastories · 09-20-2022, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by JoshMN

Looks like hobby and and hobby cases pulled from the Topps site for now (but not listed as sold out)? I only see value and hobby lite.

Yeah, these were still up less than an hour ago.

09-20-2022, 08:33 AM	#4272
NYRE2PECT Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: San Antonio Posts: 7,960	What a mess….glad to be in the sidelines. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Primarily retired from collecting, but doing a Greatest Sho-man binder thing. I do love California Angels baseball.

09-20-2022, 07:54 AM	#4251
OneSickDegen Member Join Date: Jun 2021 Location: KCMO -> LV Posts: 1,467	Would be awesome if they forgot to include them in the silver packs also.

09-20-2022, 07:56 AM	#4252
theshowandme Member Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 5,057 theshowandme nova_cards	Curious what the odds will be. Throwing out 1:5 just to see where this might land 95000 hobby boxes were printed 1 silver pack per box 1:5 packs for SP would = 19000 extended base SPs 19000 / 5 players = 3800 extended base SPs per player Idk, I don't think these are going to be short printed into the hundreds or even low 1000s

09-20-2022, 08:00 AM	#4255
SupermanBrandon Banned Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: TN Posts: 15,843	Topps actually made this situation worse. They opened another door, for another scandal. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

09-20-2022, 08:09 AM	#4258
base set Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: NW Michigan Posts: 9,456	That letter is a classic. When your subcontractor craps the bed making your product, you don’t “reach out” to them. Sorry, not sorry, that’s totally clutching pearls on the bingo card of how not to say ‘we fuct this up’

09-20-2022, 08:09 AM	#4259
Ianhatcher Member Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 1,959 ian5555	It's unbelievable how many people read "randomly inserted in these packs" as packs with the SP cards in them making them base cards and worthless now... I hate to say it but what was Topps supposed to do? Hopefully many of the breakers and resellers do the right thing as well and give the packs to their customers but I wouldn't be surprised if many of them keep them and sell them to profit.

09-20-2022, 08:11 AM	#4260
pewe Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Posts: 26,641	Question on my mind: is this starting to make people feel BB21 was an error? Or are we still thinking all of these issues are pure Topps employee conspiracy to steal our $$ and trash Fanatics???

09-20-2022, 08:27 AM	#4265
soicanbefree Member Join Date: Mar 2020 Posts: 712	You guys asked for more base and you are going to get it! These are going to hold very little value when said and done. My prediction is high 5 or low 6 figure production of each.

09-20-2022, 08:30 AM	#4267
hermanotarjeta Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 21,489	This program has killed the potential value of these sp cards, sorry!

09-20-2022, 08:31 AM	#4269
JoshMN Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Posts: 1,580	Looks like hobby and and hobby cases pulled from the Topps site for now (but not listed as sold out)? I only see value and hobby lite.

09-20-2022, 08:33 AM	#4270
hermanotarjeta Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 21,489	Just goes to show topps was banking on their wander money train for this product. These late additions were added when they realized the value wasn’t there based on the floods of preorders they got.

09-20-2022, 08:38 AM	#4274
cj828282 Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 13,967	I believe Topps was trying to appease the collector's and get the highly sought after rookies into TC. It backfired and has turned into quite the mess. Perhaps it would have been better to not have the ESPs in the product at all and save for TCU. The logistical challenges of trying to get the early call ups into a highly produced product.