Giannis "The Greak Freak" Antetokounmpo Thread - Page 173

pigeonsbaseball · 09-02-2020, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by bewareof94

Agree with this as well.

Middleton is way too streaky and inconsistent on offense, takes way too many bad shots when he's cold, and has been getting abused on defense since the restart.

Bledsoe has not been good once the Playoffs start for several years now.

Outside of Giannis, no one else can (or is willing to) get their own shots or take someone off the dribble. Like others have said, the Heat match up with the Bucks very well and like we saw yesterday, the Bucks offense becomes stagnant and everyone wants to stand around and jack up 3's when they're played tough on defense.

All that said, Giannis has by far the weakest supporting cast of any superstar in quite some time and it's not even close. It's a compliment to him and his game that they have become so good the last few seasons, mainly because of his play on both sides of the ball.

I have thought AD was a superstar for a while and his cast wasn’t any better than Giannis. So while I completely agree with the sentiment i think quite some time is going a little far.

A year ago AD was wrongfully considered an injury prone star that wouldn’t win a chip. A year later he is a first tier superstar with a strong chance on his way to the NBA Finals.

pingbling23 · 09-02-2020, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by pigeonsbaseball

I have thought AD was a superstar for a while and his cast wasn’t any better than Giannis. So while I completely agree with the sentiment i think quite some time is going a little far.

A year ago AD was wrongfully considered an injury prone star that wouldn’t win a chip. A year later he is a first tier superstar with a strong chance on his way to the NBA Finals.

Lebron effect. Wade was hobbled and on the decline and got back to back titles. Kyrie is a head case that wants to be the leader when he shouldn’t and got a title against the best ever 73-9 warriors.

orion9578 · 09-02-2020, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by pigeonsbaseball

I have thought AD was a superstar for a while and his cast wasn’t any better than Giannis. So while I completely agree with the sentiment i think quite some time is going a little far.

A year ago AD was wrongfully considered an injury prone star that wouldn’t win a chip. A year later he is a first tier superstar with a strong chance on his way to the NBA Finals.

AD is a superstar and has been but the comparison isnt great. Giannis led his not so great team to the best record in the East two years in a row. AD never did lead his team to better than 5th(I think). Giannis is the back to back MVP(will be soon anyways). AD never has been the MVP. Giannis is DPOY. AD has never been. Giannis is going to be 26. AD is going to be 28. AD has Lebron. Giannis has ______?

Great player though. Think AD has what it takes to win an MVP.

pingbling23 · 09-02-2020, 09:41 PM

Bucks are a not so great team now? Middleton is a legit all star and they have several solid role players.

liveovercome · 09-02-2020, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by orion9578

AD is a superstar and has been but the comparison isnt great. Giannis led his not so great team to the best record in the East two years in a row. AD never did lead his team to better than 5th(I think). Giannis is the back to back MVP(will be soon anyways). AD never has been the MVP. Giannis is DPOY. AD has never been. Giannis is going to be 26. AD is going to be 28. AD has Lebron. Giannis has ______?

Great player though. Think AD has what it takes to win an MVP.

Giannis has no outside shot and is terrible from the free throw line. Giannis moment in the sun has passed him by. Pack the paint dare him to shoot and foul if needed on drive. Heat in 5 is pathetic for an MVP. But I guess they give em out now to non winners. Just don’t see how people think he’s elite.

orion9578 · 09-02-2020, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by pingbling23

Bucks are a not so great team now? Middleton is a legit all star and they have several solid role players.

My reply was the comparison between AD and Giannis. Bucks do have a solid team. But Giannis doesn't have a Lebron.

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Originally Posted by liveovercome

Giannis has no outside shot and is terrible from the free throw line. Giannis moment in the sun has passed him by. Pack the paint dare him to shoot and foul if needed on drive. Heat in 5 is pathetic for an MVP. But I guess they give em out now to non winners. Just don’t see how people think he’s elite.

Right... Bets on him winning at least 1 more MVP? He wins another, you shoot me $50. He wins 2 more, you shoot me another $50. He doesn't win another, I'll shoot you $100.

liveovercome · 09-02-2020, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by deemsterz33

Overreaction central here. Giannis took what should have been a 45 win team last year to the best record in the league and the ECF against the eventual Champs. Before that the Bucks were a .500 team at best. Pump the brakes and give the kid a few years.

Overreacting???? Giannis has hit his ceiling. Will always have no outside shot and will always be terrible from the free throw line.

orion9578 · 09-02-2020, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by liveovercome

Overreacting???? Giannis has hit his ceiling. Will always have no outside shot and will always be terrible from the free throw line.

His ceiling is back to back MVP at 25? More than Kobe has... You're right, hes trash.

liveovercome · 09-02-2020, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by orion9578

My reply was the comparison between AD and Giannis. Bucks do have a solid team. But Giannis doesn't have a Lebron.

Right... Bets on him winning at least 1 more MVP? He wins another, you shoot me $50. He wins 2 more, you shoot me another $50. He doesn't win another, I'll shoot you $100.

By 31? Because the NBA will not select him again for being a playoff choke artist.

pingbling23 · 09-02-2020, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by orion9578

My reply was the comparison between AD and Giannis. Bucks do have a solid team. But Giannis doesn't have a Lebron.

Right... Bets on him winning at least 1 more MVP? He wins another, you shoot me $50. He wins 2 more, you shoot me another $50. He doesn't win another, I'll shoot you $100.

I understand that but you were building Giannis up by leading a not so great team. That is false. You said not so great in the previous post and now you say they are solid.

liveovercome · 09-02-2020, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by orion9578

His ceiling is back to back MVP at 25? More than Kobe has... You're right, hes trash.

Not trash. He just is not a player that can carry a team on his own. Like we saw Murray do, Mitchell do, Leonard, ect. Sorry but his game will never give it to you.

pingbling23 · 09-02-2020, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by orion9578

His ceiling is back to back MVP at 25? More than Kobe has... You're right, hes trash.

Kobe does have 5 titles, thanks Shaq and Phil.

Justin7 · 09-02-2020, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by liveovercome

Like we saw Murray do, Mitchell do, Leonard, ect. Sorry but his game will never give it to you.

Lol! Mitchell lost. Murray had a hot streak isn't even in the conversation. This is the definition of recency bias. Leonard is great, yes.

liveovercome · 09-02-2020, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by pingbling23

I understand that but you were building Giannis up by leading a not so great team. That is false. You said not so great in the previous post and now you say they are solid.

Did Giannis hit a shot other than a layup or dunk. Come on now folks wake up.

pigeonsbaseball · 09-02-2020, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by orion9578

AD is a superstar and has been but the comparison isnt great. Giannis led his not so great team to the best record in the East two years in a row. AD never did lead his team to better than 5th(I think). Giannis is the back to back MVP(will be soon anyways). AD never has been the MVP. Giannis is DPOY. AD has never been. Giannis is going to be 26. AD is going to be 28. AD has Lebron. Giannis has ______?

Great player though. Think AD has what it takes to win an MVP.

My comparison was specifically to the comment of “All that said, Giannis has by far the weakest supporting cast of any superstar in quite some time and it's not even close. ”

I completely agree that Giannis is a better player than AD and as mentioned those superlatives speak to that.

But just relative to the quoted comment, the supporting casts of AD in NO and Giannis in MWK are pretty comparable.

pingbling23 · 09-02-2020, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by liveovercome

Did Giannis hit a shot other than a layup or dunk. Come on now folks wake up.

He hit the majority of his free throws until the important ones at the end.

orion9578 · 09-02-2020, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by liveovercome

By 31? Because the NBA will not select him again for being a playoff choke artist.

Sure, by 31. Bet

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Originally Posted by pingbling23

I understand that but you were building Giannis up by leading a not so great team. That is false. You said not so great in the previous post and now you say they are solid.

Id consider a team full of solid players not so great. Without him what place would they be in? Do they even make the playoffs?

liveovercome · 09-02-2020, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Justin7

Lol! Mitchell lost. Murray had a hot streak isn't even in the conversation. This is the definition of recency bias. Leonard is great, yes.

Yup Leonard is better all day long. But keep thinking an MVP trophy is what makes you elite.

pingbling23 · 09-02-2020, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by pigeonsbaseball

My comparison was specifically to the comment of “All that said, Giannis has by far the weakest supporting cast of any superstar in quite some time and it's not even close. ”

I completely agree that Giannis is a better player than AD and as mentioned those superlatives speak to that.

But just relative to the quoted comment, the supporting casts of AD in NO and Giannis in MWK are pretty comparable.

It’s close to the last finals Cavs team. Some of the same players even.

pingbling23 · 09-02-2020, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by orion9578

Sure, by 31. Bet

Id consider a team full of solid players not so great. Without him what place would they be in? Do they even make the playoffs?

2 all stars and solid role players? That’s a modern championship recipe.

TSonn · 09-02-2020, 10:00 PM

It is pretty funny to hear people say the Bucks aren't a good team now.

They're a great regular season team. They also happen to be easy to stop in the playoffs if they're playing a team with good fundamentals and team defense.

Make Giannis and Bledsoe shoot. Make everyone else drive. That's it.

Does that mean the team is bad? I don't know. I think it's more Giannis than anything. If he had a jumpshot at all they wouldn't have this issue. It's a fatal flaw that good teams can take advantage of.

yiguiri2002 · 09-02-2020, 10:01 PM

I think the only problem with your argument is that you defend LeBron while criticizing Giannis for basically the same thing.

Khris Middleton became an All-Star while playing with Giannis. BroLo and Hill reestablished themselves after a couple of irregular years. Connaughton found a nice. You can't criticize Giannis because he helped those players get better and then failed while defending LeBron not helping players get better and failing.

What's happening to Giannis is very similar to what happened to LeBron in Cleveland. Management overpaid for fringe All-Star players instead of going for the fences on better, more experienced players.

orion9578 · 09-02-2020, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by liveovercome

Yup Leonard is better all day long. But keep thinking an MVP trophy is what makes you elite.

It is literally the definition of what makes a NBA player elite. Wtf? Haha.

Kawhi knows how to win. He is also great, and an MVP(finals obviously). Aka the best player in the finals...an MVP...elite.

pingbling23 · 09-02-2020, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

I think the only problem with your argument is that you defend LeBron while criticizing Giannis for basically the same thing.

Khris Middleton became an All-Star while playing with Giannis. BroLo and Hill reestablished themselves after a couple of irregular years. Connaughton found a nice. You can't criticize Giannis because he helped those players get better and then failed while defending LeBron not helping players get better and failing.

What's happening to Giannis is very similar to what happened to LeBron in Cleveland. Management overpaid for fringe All-Star players instead of going for the fences on better, more experienced players.

This bucks team and the early cavs teams are incomparable. The only players Lebron hasn’t made better are the ones that can’t hit open jumpers.

Justin7 · 09-02-2020, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by pingbling23

This bucks team and the early cavs teams are incomparable. The only players Lebron hasn’t made better are the ones that can’t hit open jumpers.

Giannis made Brook Lopez significantly better. I'd argue he's made everyone on his team better through his work ethic and example.

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pingbling23 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 15,944 pingbling23	Bucks are a not so great team now? Middleton is a legit all star and they have several solid role players.

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TSonn Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Michigan Posts: 5,980 TSonnMI	It is pretty funny to hear people say the Bucks aren't a good team now. They're a great regular season team. They also happen to be easy to stop in the playoffs if they're playing a team with good fundamentals and team defense. Make Giannis and Bledsoe shoot. Make everyone else drive. That's it. Does that mean the team is bad? I don't know. I think it's more Giannis than anything. If he had a jumpshot at all they wouldn't have this issue. It's a fatal flaw that good teams can take advantage of.