Patrick Mahomes Prices

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Agreed on the arm strength. The deep ball has been a problem for years. Now it’s really a problem. Seriously calls into question his longevity potential. He’s going to need a Brees like second half of his career.

He’s not top 3 anymore. Not even close. You’d really take Mahomes over Allen, Burrow, Lamar, Stafford, Maye, Goff, and Love right now?

Yeah I don't know. That's a nuanced argument. Are we talking straight up measurables/intangibles? If so, he's definitely not top 3.

But if we're talking who would you still want leading your team in a playoff game, I think he's right there with the best. Perhaps it's just the lack of other clutch talent out there that leads me down that road. Outside of Allen, nobody's really challenged him and Burrow can't stay healthy long enough to provide a solid answer.


re: arm strength. Also nuanced. Since Mahomes has made his bread and butter performing ridiculous throws in ridiculous less-than-optimal positions. On the run, falling down, etc. But the numbers are also telling a story. He's amongst the bottom 3rd of the league in terms of bad throw %, below league average on completed air yards per attempt and on target%, and is 2nd in terms of YAC (meaning his receivers are actually doing a good job in terms of playmaking).

Now part of this may be due to system/personnel and part may be due to his own regression. But one thing we do know is that he's now on the wrong side of 30. But he's still damn good until proven otherwise. It just raises the interesting question about how well his game will age as he approaches his mid 30's. Especially considering most of his success is predicated on his legs and escapability in the pocket. Much more on the Aaron side of things vs. Brady instant-decision statue mechanics.

I still can't bet against him whenever/if ever they're in the playoffs. Scary proposition.

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by chompie99

You have described regression to the mean in terms of one score games at least. Obviously they haven’t been as good as far as making plays when they need them the most this year on both sides of the ball.

That's kinda the intent of the NFL's design. You go to 8 straight AFC championship games, you draft at the bottom of every round. Every time around you that sucks gets to draft at the top of every round for 3-4-5 years depending on how much they suck. Now, the Chiefs playmakers have played an entire career and are nearing the end of their shelf life. The draft hasn't been as fruitful recently. Solid pieces, solid contributors, by no means top shelf playmakers, on offense, or defense.

Drafting mid pack this year may mean they get a playmaker, on offense or defense, and maybe squeak out another in the 2nd round using Veach's genius. Then see where we are at next year.

I don't buy for a second that there are better QBs in the NFL. Joe Burrow? Okay, 41 y/o Flacco showed anyone with competence can throw the ball to 2 WR1s and produce. Patty doesn't have the luxury of a Chase or Higgins. Josh Allen? Okay, give Mahomes a top 5 RB with actual RB production, which mainly comes from an O-Line, for which the Bills have built a strong O-Line.

There is no regression in Mahomes play, there is only regression, or aging, of those around, which prompts a reload.

[Baraka]

Mahomes isn’t the problem. Kelce is washed. The receivers are scared to get hit. The O line is Swiss cheese at times. One week the defense looks top 5, and then the next bottom 5.

[KardsC1]

Mahomes has more playoff Ws and winning percentage than everyone except Brady …it’s Brady n mahomes, then everyone else

[dave2424]

Originally Posted by Baraka

Mahomes isn’t the problem. Kelce is washed. The receivers are scared to get hit. The O line is Swiss cheese at times. One week the defense looks top 5, and then the next bottom 5.

This is more the reason than everyone saying Mahomes is washed. Between drops, special teams, penalties, these have all been the problem. Jack Cochrane has become the Dirty Dan Sorenson, he gets a penalty on what seems like at least 75% of the time. If you watch every game you see that the passes are where they need to be. On the long ball sure he misses, but not more than anyone else.

After all that they are still in every game, coming up a bit short.

Hearing all the crying makes me think Delta is back, but it is really just those that read a box score and not watch.

[Tommy1380]

Originally Posted by KardsC1

Mahomes has more playoff Ws and winning percentage than everyone except Brady …it’s Brady n mahomes, then everyone else

To be fair, it’s Brady and then everyone else. Mahomes is right there with Montana for #2 but there is a significant gap between them and Brady.

Playoff Wins and then titles in parentheses…

36 Brady (7)

17 Mahomes (3)
16 Montana (4)
14 Bradshaw (5)
14 Elway (2)
14 Manning (2)

[KardsC1]

Originally Posted by Tommy1380

To be fair, it’s Brady and then everyone else. Mahomes is right there with Montana for #2 but there is a significant gap between them and Brady.

Playoff Wins and then titles in parentheses…

36 Brady (7)

17 Mahomes (3)
16 Montana (4)
14 Bradshaw (5)
14 Elway (2)
14 Manning (2)

Fair enough…point is Mahomes is only halfway with his career…to have all those accolades at halfway mark is truly remarkable

[Baraka]

Originally Posted by dave2424

This is more the reason than everyone saying Mahomes is washed. Between drops, special teams, penalties, these have all been the problem. Jack Cochrane has become the Dirty Dan Sorenson, he gets a penalty on what seems like at least 75% of the time. If you watch every game you see that the passes are where they need to be. On the long ball sure he misses, but not more than anyone else.

After all that they are still in every game, coming up a bit short.

Hearing all the crying makes me think Delta is back, but it is really just those that read a box score and not watch.

The sad thing about Delta is, a lot of Mahomes fans (like myself) really are rooting for Allen as well. If the Chiefs don’t make it into the postseason, I’m riding with Allen.

[pejc300]

This chief offense is honestly so bad. I mean, they just have absolutely nothing going on. Fire the offensive coordinator immediately. They can’t even get a 5 yard pass.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by pejc300

This chief offense is honestly so bad. I mean, they just have absolutely nothing going on. Fire the offensive coordinator immediately. They can’t even get a 5 yard pass.

Andy?

[TheCrow]

Originally Posted by pejc300

This chief offense is honestly so bad. I mean, they just have absolutely nothing going on. Fire the offensive coordinator immediately. They can’t even get a 5 yard pass.

Yeah they are lame AF. Couldn't even get a TD when they were set up at like the 20 yard line after that interception. Defense has been phenomenal except for blowing it the last minute of the half.

[pejc300]

Not to beat a dead horse, but Mahomes can’t even throw a slant route on time. Absolutely hung Rashee out to dry on a 4 yard slant.

[JWBlue]

I know Mahomes is going to get a lot of heat, but that Chargers D after Houston is a clear #2.

[TheCrow]

Originally Posted by pejc300

Not to beat a dead horse, but Mahomes can’t even throw a slant route on time. Absolutely hung Rashee out to dry on a 4 yard slant.

Finally has a couple good plays and then throws a pick at the 1 yard line. Unbelievable...

[jjrpilot]

Evaluate your Mahomes collections and start selling boys. Dont be the bag holder. Hold the cards you absolutely love and sell the rest.

This coaching staff and their play calling is insane.

[Jeter1020]

They have to play better if they legitimately want Mahomes to pass Brady and be considered the greatest


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[pejc300]

While we are at it fire the special team’s coach. There is a hold on every damn kick that happens.

[TheCrow]

Originally Posted by pejc300

While we are at it fire the special team’s coach. There is a hold on every damn kick that happens.

I was just thinking the same thing. EVERY time.

[livfreely]

Uh oh


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[TheCrow]

Worst day possible for the Chiefs. Literally everything went wrong.

[pejc300]

Not that anything matters at this point, but having Minshew throw that pass with the season on the line is the dumbest play I’ve seen all year. You were already in field-goal range. That was the stupidest #@#@#@#@ I’ve ever seen. I don’t care if you made a bad throw, he never should’ve even been put in a position to throw that. What an absolute disaster this year was. Obviously I hope Pat is okay, but my gosh. An absolute atrocity of a football product they put out this year.

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by pejc300

Not that anything matters at this point, but having Minshew throw that pass with the season on the line is the dumbest play I’ve seen all year. You were already in field-goal range. That was the stupidest #@#@#@#@ I’ve ever seen. I don’t care if you made a bad throw, he never should’ve even been put in a position to throw that. What an absolute disaster this year was. Obviously I hope Pat is okay, but my gosh. An absolute atrocity of a football product they put out this year.

Bro, what do you expect them to do? Kick a field goal and ask mustache to outduel Herbert in OT? You realize that there are multiple reads on a play. At some point, if you take your strategy and go with it, Minshew is going to have to throw a meaningful pass with a make shift O-Line.

The options are limited, just accept it. Roster needs an overhaul

[Baraka]

The way Butker has been kicking, I’m not sure he even would make it.

[Hellcat]

Great buying opportunities for Kermit fans incoming! I'm seeing a pretty big sell-off incoming for the next 6 months.

[pejc300]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

Bro, what do you expect them to do? Kick a field goal and ask mustache to outduel Herbert in OT? You realize that there are multiple reads on a play. At some point, if you take your strategy and go with it, Minshew is going to have to throw a meaningful pass with a make shift O-Line.

The options are limited, just accept it. Roster needs an overhaul

Literally yes. in a situation like that all you’re hoping for is just to get to overtime. Maybe your defense makes a play. That was literally his only job - to come in and tie the game.