The Official NBA Regular Season Thread—-21/22 Edition

[Dame]

Originally Posted by tjforce

I'm just happy that so many people are even discussing the Cavs and that I get to spend the holidays virtually with all of you.

If you read the last 2 pages you'll realize that I A. Get criticized for not making a Cavs thread, and B. Get criticized for making a Garland thread that doesn't get a lot of chatter.

So yea, I'm going to come here to talk Cavs in the thread where I can actually have a bit of a back and forth conversation about them. I'm sorry that some people don't like it, but I'm also glad that some do.

Were you always a Cavs fan Tj? Serious question, I’m from the 2020 crew, so I only go by your posts from last year.

I thought you were a 76ers fan. I know you were also rooting for the Bucks, which I can understand since you like Giannis.

[indyguy]

Originally Posted by Dame

This page is spicy.

All because you're out here wishing Austin Reaves Timeless Moments auto on us!

[escapegoat]

can we get some people to start talking about the magic?

will they sniff a finals appearance before 2035?
will they ever have a top 10 superstar play for them again?

when will they be relevant again!

[daeve]

Originally Posted by indyguy

If I'm OKC, I'm going to over pay for two guys that would fit their current mold:

Christian Wood and Pascal Siakam.

Send as many picks as needed to get deals done.

I think they would target Sabonis before those other guys... although Wood is intriguing.

I think Siakam to Warriors is still very interesting - and they might be able to get him without giving up Wiseman... Kuminga would be an intriguing piece for Toronto [similar build and tools to Barnes] and of course Wiggins [Canada's prodigal son] would have to be a part of it to make contracts work.

[indyguy]

Another target that I would be interested in is Nurkic. I think he could be a great piece for a young OKC team. The issue with him would be can he stay healthy. So far so good this season though.

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by Dame

Were you always a Cavs fan Tj? Serious question, I’m from the 2020 crew, so I only go by your posts from last year.

I thought you were a 76ers fan. I know you were also rooting for the Bucks, which I can understand since you like Giannis.

I thought he was a sixers fan as well and don’t remember him pulling for the cavs the years I was pulling for them and Lebron. Admittedly there have been a ton of members come and go so I was unsure about this but have been asking myself lately, with all of his cavs posts, “I thought he was a sixers fan?” I don’t care either way, root for who you want and post about it if you’re so inclined. Others will have the right to challenge any opinions you post but we’re all here to interact.

[daeve]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wu2deohRjJA

Ringer Jokic piece affirming the historic pace he's on

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by daeve

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wu2deohRjJA

Ringer Jokic piece affirming the historic pace he's on

I was shocked to see the recent poll of ex nba players that didn’t believe jokic was even in the top 4 best players in the league considering these historic stats you constantly post about. I figured he would get more respect.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by Dame

Were you always a Cavs fan Tj? Serious question, I’m from the 2020 crew, so I only go by your posts from last year.



I thought you were a 76ers fan. I know you were also rooting for the Bucks, which I can understand since you like Giannis.

Understandable, since there hasn't been much to discuss with the Cavs until maybe this offseason....





Well... 4 days after I had surgery to remove the tissue around a pre-cancerous tumor, I drove 8 hours and paid 4 figures to go see Game 7 of the NBA Finals in Oakland. One of the best decisions I've ever made.





When LeBron made the decision, I was live on CNN out in downtown Cleveland with the rest of the fans awaiting to announcement


I was sitting courtside when Shaq came to Cleveland to try and deliver a "ring for the King".



As a kid I went to the "Cream Puff" game to see MJ destroy the Cavs dreams in the playoffs.



I'd say that qualifies me as a pretty serious Cavs fan.

[hairyangryfella]

Originally Posted by escapegoat

can we get some people to start talking about the magic?

will they sniff a finals appearance before 2035?
will they ever have a top 10 superstar play for them again?

when will they be relevant again!

I do..!
They've got several decent young players but are seemingly always tanking to get more, which would then hamper the ones they've already got...
Or they're just really really really bad despite their best efforts.
I definitely enjoy the David and Jeff commentary, best out of any specific team's that I've heard. Can't stand one from the Cavs and one from the Hornets.

[PKIPP]

Tonight we’ll see if the Grant-less Pistons can pick up a much needed W against a disgruntled Pacers team. Man, this rivalry has fallen a long ways since the Malice at the Palace days.

If Pistons lose they’ll tie for longest losing streak in team history. If someone told me that would happen prior to the season I’d be shocked. But makes sense. Still early in this rebuild and both Bey and Stew have regressed. Killian Hayes still ass.

Saben Lee actually looks the best out of all 4 in that group of second year players right now. And Dwayne Casey finally opened up his eyes and is pulling Corey Joseph (I hate him) out of the rotation so this kid can finally get actual minutes.

Cade has to keep up his recent play if they want any chance to win.


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[indyguy]

Originally Posted by PKIPP

Tonight we’ll see if the Grant-less Pistons can pick up a much needed W against a disgruntled Pacers team. Man, this rivalry has fallen a long ways since the Malice at the Palace days.

If Pistons lose they’ll tie for longest losing streak in team history. If someone told me that would happen prior to the season I’d be shocked. But makes sense. Still early in this rebuild and both Bey and Stew have regressed. Killian Hayes still ass.

Saben Lee actually looks the best out of all 4 in that group of second year players right now. And Dwayne Casey finally opened up his eyes and is pulling Corey Joseph (I hate him) out of the rotation so this kid can finally get actual minutes.

Cade has to keep up his recent play if they want any chance to win.


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Don't be surprised if the Pistons win. I'm so tired of watching this Pacers team lose. I think we have nine losses of five points or less

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Now I guess I have to post even more because the post police are so upset.

Khal just mad because he's bleeding out on his Luka cards

I actually don't mind reading some of the Cavs stuff. Because I don't really watch them so I get some solid fantasy info out of it.

It certainly beats Khal whining the same thing over and over about the Dallas coach (insert any coach here) sucking, the Dallas players being not worthy of a spot in the NBA, or some other excuse. Wondering what's next. The Dallas team colours don't work??

Anyhoo.

The Cavs keep rolling teams. Amazing what happens in the NBA if you focus on defense.

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by indyguy

Don't be surprised if the Pistons win. I'm so tired of watching this Pacers team lose. I think we have nine losses of five points or less

I really hope DET win.

A friend bet me that Carlisle would lead Indy to a better record than Kidd would get Dallas.

I said I'll die on a hill with Luka over Carlisle any day.

[hairyangryfella]

Lol, IT gets assigned to the somewhat decimated Nuggets G-league team, plays one game and gets signed by... The Lakers...

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

I actually don't mind reading some of the Cavs stuff. Because I don't really watch them so I get some solid fantasy info out of it.

It certainly beats Khal whining the same thing over and over about the Dallas coach (insert any coach here) sucking, the Dallas players being not worthy of a spot in the NBA, or some other excuse. Wondering what's next. The Dallas team colours don't work??

Anyhoo.

The Cavs keep rolling teams. Amazing what happens in the NBA if you focus on defense.

And the other thing they've done is built an identify on offense. They are very well rounded and teams haven't really figured out how to stop it yet. The latest strategy is to double Garland, pack the paint, and allow guys like Okoro and Love to get open shots. Well, those two have been making team pay recently.

That's what's nice about this team. Not too many people are invested heavily in anyone on this squad (I have maybe 1 to 1.5% of my collection value in each Garland and Mobley) so it's not a blame game of trying to sink everyone else around to prop up any one person. Trust me, if the Cavs win because Jarrett Allen has a monster night, even if it's at the expense of stats for DG or Mobley, I'm a happy fan.

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

I actually don't mind reading some of the Cavs stuff. Because I don't really watch them so I get some solid fantasy info out of it.

It certainly beats Khal whining the same thing over and over about the Dallas coach (insert any coach here) sucking, the Dallas players being not worthy of a spot in the NBA, or some other excuse. Wondering what's next. The Dallas team colours don't work??

Anyhoo.

The Cavs keep rolling teams. Amazing what happens in the NBA if you focus on defense.

Cavs fans are understandably excited because Lebron leaving for a 2nd time was supposed to spell another decade in the dumpster with crappy draft picks, a coaching carousel, and even the occasional rumor that Gilbert would get out and perhaps a new owner would move the team, or at least not be willing to spend to build a competitive team.

Instead, the Cavs got the All-Star game with a contingency that the arena was remodeled, a proposal that was originally rejected and then some last minute (possible bribery) shenanigans that reversed the decision and allowed them to break ground with actual hours to spare. That silenced the rumors of the team moving.

Then they went on to actually start drafting well again, pulled off an unbelievable heist in trading for Allen (which they then signed), then made a move to grab Markkanen and Rubio to show that they were willing to spend money on a legitimate team.

Pre-season ranks/projections came out stagnant, projecting a season similar to last year. I commented at the time that I couldn't understand how a team that added Markkanen, Rubio, and Mobley without losing anyone significant could be "projected" the same as last year.

They started 0-2 and you already started to hear the groans locally. Sexton was a cancer, blah blah, blah.

And then they started winning. And winning. And winning. And their worst stretch this year with half their roster hurt was remarkably competitive. And now that they are healthy they don't look like a team that can be beat in 7 games.

This year they have a chance at landing in a 5-8 slot, and maybe getting through the first round. With the current talent and youth they have, one more key piece could make them a legit contender. I give it 3 years or less to reach the finals again. I truly believe that. Which is so far beyond imagination that the fans are genuinely stoked at what is happening here and to do it all without Lebron is really something.

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by hairyangryfella

Lol, IT gets assigned to the somewhat decimated Nuggets G-league team, plays one game and gets signed by... The Lakers...

Cheap Covid insurance.

[hairyangryfella]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

Cheap Covid insurance.

It was more about how the Nuggets kinda needed him and gave him a chance only to have him stolen away.

Unrelated but also related -
https://mobile.twitter.com/ClutchPoi...19405100380163

Refs hosing Dallas again apparently.

[GOATcards]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

I was shocked to see the recent poll of ex nba players that didn’t believe jokic was even in the top 4 best players in the league considering these historic stats you constantly post about. I figured he would get more respect.

I guess this issue isn't going away as long as he posts ridiculous advanced-stats numbers (e.g.) with no star teammate support and anti-Joker-MVP folks seemingly not being all that honest. What was Tallboy saying about the Curry-Joker-MVP discussion again? At least he doesn't argue like crap like a bunch of others do. I just want an honest accounting of how big the stats difference between these two would have to be, before Joker gets a lot more serious consideration for this individual award. The stonewalling is getting a bit much.

So far, it seems to amount to, "Yeah, you're the small-letters mvp, but you don't have healthy star teammates, so tough."

Without looking, who can say whether it's Curry or Joker who has a higher PPG this season? Last I checked they were really close. Isn't that where Steph is supposed to have a clear edge numbers-wise?

[GOATcards]

If stats are much too limited in reflecting player value, then Joker's 14.6 BPM to Curry's 7.8 is failing to reflect a ton of value.

If Curry is the MVP/mvp this year, then the advanced stats need a serious overhaul or just be ignored. Discuss.

Or we can just be honest and admit that Joker's teammate support this season so far sucks, and that he'd likely be MVP front-runner with a healthy cast.

(How might we compare a team SRS with a player's BPM? The historically best SRS are around 11-12, and the historically best BPMs are that and higher, topping out around 13 (until this year). So if Joker's BPM is 14 and his team's SRS is around 0.0, then do his teammates make up a total of very negative BPM?)

[GOATcards]

Of the top 10 all-time in single-season BPM through last season, only MJ ('89) didn't win MVP. I recall the voting being close that year, though, with plenty high vote share for MJ.

[PKIPP]

Saddiq Bey with 22 at half. He wore a headband tonight. Can’t tell me there’s no correlation.


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[GOATcards]

Originally Posted by PKIPP

Saddiq Bey with 22 at half. He wore a headband tonight. Can’t tell me there’s no correlation.


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There's correlation alright

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by PKIPP

Saddiq Bey with 22 at half. He wore a headband tonight. Can’t tell me there’s no correlation.


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Just a Sheed rear scalp crop circle away from greatness....




Detroit's a Killian demotion from being semi competitive.