AEW Wrestling Discussion Thread

[mossoholic]

As long as AEW has a tv or streaming deal and Tony Khan is there it will never die.

It will also never turn a profit. Tony doesn't care how much money he loses. When a guy you're paying $7-$8 million a year to, Moxley, draws 1,900 fans for a title match announced 3 weeks in advance in his hometown they run once a year what does that tell you? That wasn't even this year either. That was when they didn't have as big of attendance issues!

Between Moxley, Jericho, both Young Bucks, Omega, and Hangman alone Tony Khan is paying close to $40 million dollars a year. To draw 650k viewers and average what 2,750 tickets a tv taping? A huge portion of those tickets are discounted heavily toward showtime to fill the seats. So you can cut a few hundred from that attendance if you factor in the lesser ticket costs.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by Jericho

I feel bad for Danielson. He just dragged Jack Perry to the best match that Jack will ever have, and his reward? Probably at least one match with Moxley where he'll bleed all over him. Man I didnt miss Moxley at all...

Consider all aspects of wrestling. His standing in the injury, how much money he makes, how much money he draws, his in ring ability, his promo skills, etc. Jon Moxley is pound for pound the worst wrestler in the world.

[sauceboy]

It's one thing if you're simply not a fan of the guy, but calling Mox the "worst wrestler in the world" is a truly bewildering statement.

[DrZman]

Originally Posted by sauceboy

It's one thing if you're simply not a fan of the guy, but calling Mox the "worst wrestler in the world" is a truly bewildering statement.

I also love the idea of feeling sorry for Bryan "wasting" a match on him. I'm sure he's pissed to have to wrestle his training buddy he's known for years who he also considers one of the top wrestlers in the world.

[ThatGuyPal]

Where's Shane? I was told he led Mox's new group

[Cracktoast]

Originally Posted by ThatGuyPal

Where's Shane? I was told he led Mox's new group

If true and I'm not 100% convinced he's behind it all it's going to be a minimum of a couple more months. My guess is Moxley beats the stuffing out of Darby and wins the title shot then we will have to wait until Bryan is brought back from the dead for them to wrestle my guess is at Battle Of The Belts where it's obvious Moxley wins and sends him into retirement. Then we will get the revelation of who is behind everything. Bryan will go away for an extended period of time only to be resigned by Tony Khan and he returns to join the fight.


Also when Darby turns and he will just based off his comments last night about never doing to sting what Mox did to Bryan he will do exactly that. Sting isn't an in ring performer anymore but he can still do segments and take a bump here and there like when he saved Darby from being burned alive in the coffin a few weeks back.

[ThatGuyPal]

Originally Posted by Cracktoast

If true and I'm not 100% convinced he's behind it all it's going to be a minimum of a couple more months. My guess is Moxley beats the stuffing out of Darby and wins the title shot then we will have to wait until Bryan is brought back from the dead for them to wrestle my guess is at Battle Of The Belts where it's obvious Moxley wins and sends him into retirement. Then we will get the revelation of who is behind everything. Bryan will go away for an extended period of time only to be resigned by Tony Khan and he returns to join the fight.


Also when Darby turns and he will just based off his comments last night about never doing to sting what Mox did to Bryan he will do exactly that. Sting isn't an in ring performer anymore but he can still do segments and take a bump here and there like when he saved Darby from being burned alive in the coffin a few weeks back.

All that does sound really good but.....Christian still has the title shot, when does that match happen or you think it will be heel-heel Christian vs Mox? I personally feel people are retiring Bryan kind of early, first he was gonna lose it right back to Swerve at Wrestledream, now most are saying Mox will run through Darby and then beat Bryan, if not it'll likely be pushed back to the next few PPV's in peoples predictions lol

I think it wll be much more similar to Cody/Bloodline currently where they are still around and in his business but there are still separate title storylines going on, a perfect example being the Nigel stuff last night. Doesn't mean Shane can't debut but there are holes ina alot of people's timelines of how they see it playing out.

[Jericho]

Why would Darby put up his title shot when Moxley is putting up absolutely nothing? Makes Darby look like a complete moron. Plus they cant have Darby/Bryan because Bryan cant compete at Grand Slam, yet we're now getting Nigel/Bryan there? what? I know its because Nigel is taking advantage of Bryan not being 100%, but if Bryan is wrestling it should be against Darby,

And I wonder what made Darby look up to Moxley. Was it the constant blading? The matches where he used weedwhackers?

Oh and Pac talking about them taking over, Pac will probably be gone in another few months. He never stays in the states all yr long, usually 6-7 months at a time.

[Gurds]

Originally Posted by Jericho

Why would Darby put up his title shot when Moxley is putting up absolutely nothing? Makes Darby look like a complete moron. Plus they cant have Darby/Bryan because Bryan cant compete at Grand Slam, yet we're now getting Nigel/Bryan there? what? I know its because Nigel is taking advantage of Bryan not being 100%, but if Bryan is wrestling it should be against Darby,

And I wonder what made Darby look up to Moxley. Was it the constant blading? The matches where he used weedwhackers?

Oh and Pac talking about them taking over, Pac will probably be gone in another few months. He never stays in the states all yr long, usually 6-7 months at a time.

No one ever said Bryan was unable to wrestle except for Mox. Mox baited Darby into putting up his championship opportunity because he kept telling Darby he's not good enough for it/to be champion. So Darby is trying to prove to Mox and probably himself he is. Dumb on Darby's part. My guess is Mox beats Darby and Darby then ends up thinking everything Mox said was true and ends up under is stable.

Regarding Nigel, he realized what happened and went to TK and played up that since there was no championship match, the champion should at least have a match if cleared. (The whole "if cleared" is doing a lot here). I think either 1 of 2 things happens at Grand Slam. Bryan isn't cleared and Nigel gets the win by forfeit and he hangs that over Bryan's head and then we get a real match at WrestleDream in Washington against them two. Or Bryan is cleared but not 100% and squeaks out a win against Nigel (I don't believe Nigel is wrestling a lot and might have really only wanted this match before he and Bryan really hang it up for good). Remember Nigel has been talking trash about Bryan ever since Collision started and he was on commentary.

Once that is done, I think Mox beats Bryan for the championship (maybe Bryan does end his full time in ring career then but I think he'll show up for some random matches here and there)...once Mox becomes champion, Darby snaps out of it and ends up winning the championship against Mox. How long all this will take, no idea. Does Shane end up coming in during all this? Your guess is as good as mine.

Where does Christian fit in this? Probably challenges Mox at some point and loses or maybe he waits until Darby is champ and tries then and also loses. Doesn't look bad for Darby to beat vets like Mox and Christian to help with your career.

Again this is all just spitballing and I have no idea but I look forward to seeing what all happens. The thing I like about AEW is they have multiple layers of people and things happening regarding championships etc that sometimes don't pay off for quite a while but if you watch you'll see how they all connect in the end.

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[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by sauceboy

It's one thing if you're simply not a fan of the guy, but calling Mox the "worst wrestler in the world" is a truly bewildering statement.

I said in terms of all aspects considered, Moxley is the worst wrestler in the world. Is he the worst in ring worker? No. Although probably any athlete in their 20s or 30s could train for 2 years and be able to do what Moxley does or more in ring. Is he the worst all aspects considered overall? Yes.

If you want to argue someone who is worse go ahead. Keep in mind we are not talking about only bell to bell performance. If you're going to pick some indy guy no one has heard of keep in mind they get paid nothing, have no or virtually no fan base, and have no standing in the industry.

[DrZman]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

I said in terms of all aspects considered, Moxley is the worst wrestler in the world. Is he the worst in ring worker? No. Although probably any athlete in their 20s or 30s could train for 2 years and be able to do what Moxley does or more in ring. Is he the worst all aspects considered overall? Yes.

If you want to argue someone who is worse go ahead. Keep in mind we are not talking about only bell to bell performance. If you're going to pick some indy guy no one has heard of keep in mind they get paid nothing, have no or virtually no fan base, and have no standing in the industry.

I like how you say things that are clearly opinion based as if they are facts. Why is it not enough to just state you don't like him? It's as if you need some sort of validation by declaring he's the worst in the world and everyone must agree with you. Must be exhausting.

[thenightman]

I think Darby is giving up the spot because they’re going to try and force him into the Sting position against Mox’s new crew.

[Gurds]

Originally Posted by DrZman

I like how you say things that are clearly opinion based as if they are facts. Why is it not enough to just state you don't like him? It's as if you need some sort of validation by declaring he's the worst in the world and everyone must agree with you. Must be exhausting.

He has very bad takes and I just laugh and then ignore.

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[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by DrZman

I like how you say things that are clearly opinion based as if they are facts. Why is it not enough to just state you don't like him? It's as if you need some sort of validation by declaring he's the worst in the world and everyone must agree with you. Must be exhausting.

There are a bunch of people I don't like. Shawn Michaels is my favorite so obviously I couldn't stand Bret Hart. I'm not going to say Bret is bad let alone say he's the worst in the world.

It's my opinion. Just like it's an opinion how overpaid Moxley, Jericho, The Bucks, and Omega are. I can't imagine anyone making an argument they are worth what they are getting paid. They wouldn't make anything remotely close to what they are making even working triple the amount of dates if AEW didn't exist. If they are worth $7-$8 million each a year what is Cody worth right now? I'd argue Cody generates more for WWE than everyone on that list does for AEW combined and it isn't even close. Cody makes less than each one of them does.

If you think someone is worse let me know and say why.

[danhardyufc]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

There are a bunch of people I don't like. Shawn Michaels is my favorite so obviously I couldn't stand Bret Hart. I'm not going to say Bret is bad let alone say he's the worst in the world.

It's my opinion. Just like it's an opinion how overpaid Moxley, Jericho, The Bucks, and Omega are. I can't imagine anyone making an argument they are worth what they are getting paid. They wouldn't make anything remotely close to what they are making even working triple the amount of dates if AEW didn't exist. If they are worth $7-$8 million each a year what is Cody worth right now? I'd argue Cody generates more for WWE than everyone on that list does for AEW combined and it isn't even close. Cody makes less than each one of them does.

If you think someone is worse let me know and say why.

You could swap Moxley with Nick Gage and no one would even notice. Except Nick Gage has more charisma

[DrZman]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

There are a bunch of people I don't like. Shawn Michaels is my favorite so obviously I couldn't stand Bret Hart. I'm not going to say Bret is bad let alone say he's the worst in the world.

It's my opinion. Just like it's an opinion how overpaid Moxley, Jericho, The Bucks, and Omega are. I can't imagine anyone making an argument they are worth what they are getting paid. They wouldn't make anything remotely close to what they are making even working triple the amount of dates if AEW didn't exist. If they are worth $7-$8 million each a year what is Cody worth right now? I'd argue Cody generates more for WWE than everyone on that list does for AEW combined and it isn't even close. Cody makes less than each one of them does.

If you think someone is worse let me know and say why.

I mean there literally wouldn't be a AEW without those guys. Also why would I care what they're getting paid? I don't care how Tony wants to spend his money. Heaven forbid guys that put their bodies on the line for work get compensated for it. Would much rather they live pay check to paycheck like half the ufc roster.

[Gurds]

FS1 is airing A Day in the life of Tony Khan tonight at 7:30 which goes through the day of the NFL Draft.

https://x.com/AEW/status/18364702416...kL6yliFBQ&s=19

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[danhardyufc]

It’s great seeing Yuka Sakazaki finally receiving a little push, although I know she’s not going to beat Mariah May next week. And I hope Mina Shirakawa eventually goes to AEW full time so I don’t have to see her in STARDOM anymore.

[Gurds]

Nigel/Bryan while wasn't anything crazy, it was good to see them in the ring together.

Young Bucks/Osprey & Fletcher was absolutely fantastic.

MVP trying to poach Swerve from Nana?!?! Looks like Lashley will be debuting soon and we get him vs Swerve which will be awesome.

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[Jericho]

I really hope its not Lashley/Swerve right away, because neither of them could afford a loss atm. Maybe MVP brings in Shelton first to face Swerve? Swerve beats Shelton and THEN Lashley shows up?

I thought Danielson/Nigel was good and didnt need to be anything crazy.

Moxley/Darby was sloppy and bad IMO.

I was happy that they're doing away with the FTW title since it didnt mean anything anyway

[Gurds]

Originally Posted by Jericho

I really hope its not Lashley/Swerve right away, because neither of them could afford a loss atm. Maybe MVP brings in Shelton first to face Swerve? Swerve beats Shelton and THEN Lashley shows up?

I thought Danielson/Nigel was good and didnt need to be anything crazy.

Moxley/Darby was sloppy and bad IMO.

I was happy that they're doing away with the FTW title since it didnt mean anything anyway

Yeah not sure maybe MVP recruits Hobbs when he's back healthy?

I thought Mox/Darby was fine. Brutal beat down by Mox which I expected. I think Darby ends up costing Mox the match at WrestleDream. Not sure what happens after

I don't see Bryan retiring this soon but probably by the middle of next year. It'll be interesting to see who is chosen to beat him. I'm assuming he has the say in whom that is.

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[Cracktoast]

According to Swerve AEW is going to replace SD on Fox. Not sure if he's still high from whatever Hangman shot him up with ot if Khan actually is going to pull that sh*t off.

AEW is coming to FOX, at least according to Swerve Strickland.

Former AEW World Champion Swerve Strickland appeared in QUEENZFLIP‘s newest vlog, and he briefly mentioned that AEW is “about to get on FOX.” He also referenced how WWE SmackDown recently left the network.

[packman80]

Originally Posted by Cracktoast

According to Swerve AEW is going to replace SD on Fox. Not sure if he's still high from whatever Hangman shot him up with ot if Khan actually is going to pull that sh*t off.

I could maybe see a deal to put them on FS1 but I doubt FOX will put them on main network when they struggle some weeks to beat NXT in ratings.

[no10pin]

Yeah, they may be in the Fox family somewhere, but anyone who thinks they are going on Fox's network channel in prime time after they just let Smackdown go is delusional.

And if they did, it would have to be such a watered down version of what they do now that no one would be happy.

[packman80]

So a guy can hit a guy with a chair and the ref just takes the chair away and does not ring the bell? Also does a 10 count out when at times they let them brawl outside for like 2 mintues. This ref discretion in AEW is a joke. It's pretty much we will make up the rules as we go in each match because no one can book a match to make sense.