2017 Bowman MOJO Refractors

[Reverend Ghost]

Originally Posted by coombsct

So my wife's been calling all targets for weeks . None in stock , today she actually asked for a manager and got a district manager . According to the district manager, she said topps has stopped distribution and also offered an option recall on any remaining boxs. According to her there was a production error . No re release date as of now . Just what we heard . Thought I'd share

Ahem.

[athletics07]

So, my decision to sell my 4 Otani's early (3 base, 1 purple) is shaping up worse and worse.

[jdbuzz44]

Originally Posted by athletics07

So, my decision to sell my 4 Otani's early (3 base, 1 purple) is shaping up worse and worse.

Same here.... plus I found 6 boxes yesterday.... and instead of selling them....I cracked them...0 Otani....0 autographs....:/

[leftymo]

Originally Posted by coombsct

So my wife's been calling all targets for weeks . None in stock , today she actually asked for a manager and got a district manager . According to the district manager, she said topps has stopped distribution and also offered an option recall on any remaining boxs. According to her there was a production error . No re release date as of now . Just what we heard . Thought I'd share

Production error???!!!??? Gold jerry! Gold!

[cj828282]

It would be nice to hear from Topps on this one.

[caulaflour]

Originally Posted by coombsct

So my wife's been calling all targets for weeks . None in stock , today she actually asked for a manager and got a district manager . According to the district manager, she said topps has stopped distribution and also offered an option recall on any remaining boxs. According to her there was a production error . No re release date as of now . Just what we heard . Thought I'd share

Whoa. If this is true.........

$$$$

[leftymo]

Originally Posted by cj828282

It would be nice to hear from Topps on this one.

I emailed them on Friday, all i got back is receipt of email.

[Morty]

Originally Posted by coombsct

So my wife's been calling all targets for weeks . None in stock , today she actually asked for a manager and got a district manager . According to the district manager, she said topps has stopped distribution and also offered an option recall on any remaining boxs. According to her there was a production error . No re release date as of now . Just what we heard . Thought I'd share

Wow, if this is true it means a whole lot of things. Take them for what they're worth, but these are my thoughts...

An optional recall would sort of explain the feast/ famine that people are experiencing with this product. I have scoured the 20+ Targets within a half hour of my apartment many times over the last three weeks and found zero boxes after the initial five that I opened. I would estimate I've made 70+ stops at Targets looking for these. I also have friends in two other states that have been looking for these and have found none outside of what was originally stocked. It seems that most people can't find them anywhere, while a few states and cities are restocking them.

If the product was recalled because Otani was illegally included in the set, then it would make sense that we've received complete silence on Topps' end. They probably have zero desire to disclose this type of mistake, or possibly part of their settlement was to quietly withdraw the remaining product. I also noticed that the only other two members of Team Japan who were listed on this checklist mysteriously have yet to appear on eBay, COMC, or any of the box breaks I have seen. Is it possible that Topps knew they were not supposed to use Otani in the product, but just threw him in to build some hype and stir the pot?

What still doesn't make any sense to me is that the checklist includes 150 individuals, while only 100 have showed up on eBay, COMC, and box breaks. Why would Topps put them on the checklist, and then not release the cards? My first thought was that Topps maybe held these 50 cards back to build even more hype for a second release. That would possibly explain why only a small handful of the black 1/1s have surfaced so far. Heck, even the purple, green and orange refractors have seemed tough to find. I've only seen three Otani green refractors and maybe a half dozen Otani purple refractors surface on eBay. For a set with this much popularity and low supply, you would think the market would have seen up to half the print run hit eBay so far.

It's complete speculation on my part, but I'm leaning toward believing that Topps pulled a bunch of this stuff back for one reason or another, and that is why we are having such a hard time finding any. If the Otani licensing issue is true, what do you guys think Topps will do about it? Remove the remaining Otani cards from remaining boxes and then reseal/ redistribute the product, or just destroy all remaining product altogether?

[stormshadow815]

Complete FAKE NEWS. Target managers would know absolutley nothing about the card section. Its all run by excell reps. People need to stopping making up stuff in an attempt to have everyone rush eBay and buy overpriced boxes.

[Cubsfanp]

Originally Posted by stormshadow815

Complete FAKE NEWS. Target managers would know absolutley nothing about the card section. Its all ran by excell. People need to stopping making up stuff in an attempt to have everyone rush eBay and buy overpriced boxes.

I agree. Complete fake covfefe.

[Jaypers]

Anyone seen an Otani Orange/25 as of yet?

[caulaflour]

Originally Posted by stormshadow815

Complete FAKE NEWS. Target managers would know absolutley nothing about the card section. Its all ran by excell. People need to stopping making up stuff in an attempt to have everyone rush eBay and buy overpriced boxes.

This is a fair point (although it's "run," not "ran"). I read quickly and thought the comment was referring to a Topps rep, not a Target rep. It is, in fact, done by Excell (as most of us know by now).

Is it outside the realm of possibility that a Topps rep has communicated with an Excell rep regarding the situation and that said Excell rep has spoken with a Target rep about it? No. But is it likely? Also no.

[caulaflour]

Originally Posted by Jaypers

Anyone seen an Otani Orange/25 as of yet?

Someone here pulled one and posted in box breaks.

[leftymo]

Originally Posted by stormshadow815

Complete FAKE NEWS. Target managers would know absolutley nothing about the card section. Its all ran by excell. People need to stopping making up stuff in an attempt to have everyone rush eBay and buy overpriced boxes.

Still no explanation of the faulty math and scarcity of these boxes. I'm 95% positive that some of the targets never ever even carried these boxes.

The ones I found them in, have never re-stocked them.

We've heard rumors about licensing, blowout clearly doesn't have them, this is the second "recall" rumor I've heard.

The megaboxes have jumped from 40/box to 60/box on ebay, and not much is for sale now.

I listed an Otani for $100 BIN, and it was gone in 20 minutes on Sunday. (bought it for $62 the week before).

[Morty]

Originally Posted by stormshadow815

Complete FAKE NEWS. Target managers would know absolutley nothing about the card section. Its all ran by excell. People need to stopping making up stuff in an attempt to have everyone rush eBay and buy overpriced boxes.

It is true that Excell (a separate vendor) takes care of the retail card section. However, I spoke to an Excell vendor a week ago at a store and he told me the cards are shipped directly to Target stores and put in their stock room. The vendors show up whenever the shelves need restocked, but this guy admitted to me that some stores just open the boxes and have their employees stock it themselves when it is delivered. He said he has absolutely no idea what will be in the boxes when he arrives on site, and that the orders are just automated based on what the store has been selling. Targets have been getting hounded by customers and phone calls in the last few weeks asking about these boxes, so a regional manager looking into the stocking issues doesn't seem that hard to believe.

For the record, I've opened the handful of boxes I've found and I'm not selling any of my singles, so in no way am I trying to push the resale of this product. Like most people, I'm just baffled by this situation and enjoying a discussion with other collectors about what is going on.

[kyle121592]

I have hit 5 stores in the past few days with no luck. Will keep checking every couple of days.

[tribefan26]

Originally Posted by Morty

What still doesn't make any sense to me is that the checklist includes 150 individuals, while only 100 have showed up on eBay, COMC, and box breaks. Why would Topps put them on the checklist, and then not release the cards? My first thought was that Topps maybe held these 50 cards back to build even more hype for a second release. That would possibly explain why only a small handful of the black 1/1s have surfaced so far. Heck, even the purple, green and orange refractors have seemed tough to find. I've only seen three Otani green refractors and maybe a half dozen Otani purple refractors surface on eBay. For a set with this much popularity and low supply, you would think the market would have seen up to half the print run hit eBay so far.

I don't think Topps ever released a checklist. With the exception of the Otani/Adams card (#31) the hobby saw the same players and numbers and assumed the checklist was the same. It is entirely likely that Topps only intended to have a 100 card set and they were too lazy to renumber or announce the checklist.

[stormshadow815]

Originally Posted by caulaflour

This is a fair point (although it's "run," not "ran"). I read quickly and thought the comment was referring to a Topps rep, not a Target rep. It is, in fact, done by Excell (as most of us know by now).

Is it outside the realm of possibility that a Topps rep has communicated with an Excell rep regarding the situation and that said Excell rep has spoken with a Target rep about it? No. But is it likely? Also no.

Fixed, sorry

[Morty]

Originally Posted by tribefan26

I don't think Topps ever released a checklist. With the exception of the Otani/Adams card (#31) the hobby saw the same players and numbers and assumed the checklist was the same. It is entirely likely that Topps only intended to have a 100 card set and they were too lazy to renumber or announce the checklist.

That would make sense. I was basing my assumption off the checklist that somebody linked earlier in this thread (think it was cardboard connection) and I guess I just assumed they got the info from Topps. I was flipping through my set this morning (around 40% completion if it truly is a 100 card set) and I was so baffled by the completely random numbering on the cards. All of the seemingly nonexistent cards are mixed in with the ones that were actually released. Laziness on Topps' end would not surprise me though.

[sigmachi]

Originally Posted by stormshadow815

Complete FAKE NEWS. Target managers would know absolutley nothing about the card section. Its all run by excell reps. People need to stopping making up stuff in an attempt to have everyone rush eBay and buy overpriced boxes.

Well how do YOU explain it?

[The_Reverend]

I have. It seen a restock in my area. I picked up the only 6 I have seen at a couple of Targets, not going out of the way to track these down. I opened all 6 of them. Thought about flipping them, but my intention was to open. Hit a few purple and a green and an auto. Holding on to all the base. If a recall is true, all of these mojo rc refractors will get a premium.

[sigmachi]

Here is my Otani pile. I've got 2 more not picturedincoming that I bought last week ($60&$65)

Paid $150 for this


Pulled 1 and paid $40, $45, and $50 for these

[leftymo]

I personally like the cards, so I don't care if it becomes scarce or not. The Maitan Auto Mojo is just a better looking card with the USA flag on the back of his jersey.

The Mejia auto is a nice card also...

[Reverend Ghost]

Originally Posted by sigmachi

Here is my Otani pile. I've got 2 more not picturedincoming that I bought last week ($60&$65)

Paid $150 for this


Pulled 1 and paid $40, $45, and $50 for these

Very nice. This could turn out to be a HUGE gain for you sir.

[dfd]

They're getting harder and harder to find