More fakes from China - PMG, Star Rubies, Plat Medallion

[Jocel]

Originally Posted by rogermaris

They're both fake, as are all the star rubies. The Gem Masters cards are also fake.

A lot of the cards in the pictures are real though, for the record.

Asked him before to send that masterpiece ai for grading and he responded no plans to send for grading. He blocked me and all our convo gone from my hobby fb account before.


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[the27guy]

Assuming that gray couch guy has sold some of these - he needs to go to jail.

James, did you buy the 9.5 pmg?

[rogermaris]

Originally Posted by the27guy

Assuming that gray couch guy has sold some of these - he needs to go to jail.

James, did you buy the 9.5 pmg?

Not sure if you noticed, but in the picture Jocel posted of the forger's facebook, you can see he and James are mutual friends. James originally told me that the card belonged to a friend, but that seems unlikely given everything that's come out in this thread.



James, if you're reading this, I'm sure there are a lot of people on the boards willing to help you get your money back. You wouldn't be the first person who's bought a fake PMG, but many of the people who have were successful in getting a refund.

[spurfanattech]

Originally Posted by SPauthentic84

Is the idiot face with the gray couch on instagram?

Yep, he is on Instagram now too. I am shocked that people are questioning Roger Maris. He is not the only one that figured this out but is the voice of a silent group that has been clued into these fakes and what to look for, for a few years.

Arteepower is another guy connected to the "Grey Couch Bandit" and has tried to sell a fake Tim Duncan PMG Championship to me before. Be careful!

There is also a fake Duncan Gem Masters out there...again, be careful people!

[6celtics33]

Originally Posted by the27guy

Assuming that gray couch guy has sold some of these - he needs to go to jail.

James, did you buy the 9.5 pmg?

James did NOT buy it

He was trying to clear the air for the person that did

Other reputable people who know the cards told him it was real

[jjohnson814]

So we don't know who owns the card?

Originally Posted by 6celtics33

James did NOT buy it

He was trying to clear the air for the person that did

Other reputable people who know the cards told him it was real

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[6celtics33]

Originally Posted by jjohnson814

So we don't know who owns the card?

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I know his name

It’s not James. I don’t know the guy personally so I’ll leave that to them if they want to put themselves out there.

[ninjacookies]

[Silentcommit]

Great stuff rogermaris. Thanks for sharing details in threads like this. Super informative and very helpful to many of us.

[Jocel]

Originally Posted by rogermaris

Not sure if you noticed, but in the picture Jocel posted of the forger's facebook, you can see he and James are mutual friends. James originally told me that the card belonged to a friend, but that seems unlikely given everything that's come out in this thread.







James, if you're reading this, I'm sure there are a lot of people on the boards willing to help you get your money back. You wouldn't be the first person who's bought a fake PMG, but many of the people who have were successful in getting a refund.

Hello sir.. james being mutual to duncan was my link.. i linked james to him with another item.. and that item i link to him was real.. with the pmg i didnt know what happen there.. again not all duncan cards are fake.. one of them james bought was so real..


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[BOboy]

Went to a party in the mid 90's some friends were having, they liked the non-sports cards and I would often bring them a set or some inserts. Met a guy from Lebanon who told me they could fake any card I wanted. I mentioned that the cards now had all kinds of different things on them and he said no problem. I suspect there are many more fake cards than people know.

[stevenhsu]

Unfortunately it's true.

I remember seeing the Michael Jordan Scoring King in Ice Crack Refractor form...
I wouldn't be surprised if some very high-tech printing company can replicate any cards they see...

Originally Posted by BOboy

Went to a party in the mid 90's some friends were having, they liked the non-sports cards and I would often bring them a set or some inserts. Met a guy from Lebanon who told me they could fake any card I wanted. I mentioned that the cards now had all kinds of different things on them and he said no problem. I suspect there are many more fake cards than people know.

[BOboy]

Just wanted to add that a lot of the rare autographics I pulled out of the 01/02 Fleer Platinum Rack Boxes were unnumbered and as I said most of these sold to people in China. Have there been any fake autographics? Can't help wonder if them being unnumbered had anything to do with why so many sold to people in China.

Never mind, just did a quick search and saw there are many fake autographics.

[Jocel]

Originally Posted by spurfanattech

Yep, he is on Instagram now too. I am shocked that people are questioning Roger Maris. He is not the only one that figured this out but is the voice of a silent group that has been clued into these fakes and what to look for, for a few years.



Arteepower is another guy connected to the "Grey Couch Bandit" and has tried to sell a fake Tim Duncan PMG Championship to me before. Be careful!



There is also a fake Duncan Gem Masters out there...again, be careful people!

They are a big group of high end collectors in taiwan... its like a circle of old time collector-friends. Those big ebay sellers from taiwan.. they know each other... again the intention of these cards was like novelty items, until 1 or so a few people(possible out of the circle of big collectors) decided to test grading companies if they can pass and yes some did pass on grading. Which gave the evil an idea of scamming. These are the info i had gathered.. chinese(china) collectors where the first victims of this novelty items. First hand they thought they have authentic items, but where fake...


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[Jocel]

Card was originally in taiwan. Graded and passed (if it was fake then it was a pretty awesome fake to pass) then bought by a shaq collector (not james). Which was eventually regraded and came back 9.5 (surprisingly passed for the 2nd time for a fake card)

Now to the photo i sent, i would like to let u guys know of why james is a common mutual friend of duncan. Well it was me who link them together to help james close out a deal on the 97 Jambalaya Jordan 9.5. James is a highly reputable mj collector equipped with some knowledge bout mj cards. Especially the consistent grading of BGS MJ Cards on serial numbering (his really particular on that).

As to what rogermaris said, he has some real cards.. and i myself bought one before.

So hopefully its clear to all that duncan’s items are not 100% all fake cards. Some are still genuine, juz need to look carefully to spot which is real and which is fake.

This hobby is big, that u can ask opinions. And ull get different answers. Juz weigh things up and decide.. if ur 20% at least unsure then stay away.. make it 80% u are sure. Coz in the end. U will suffer not the seller...

Have fun guys and stay humble...
God speed!!!


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[duron]

Originally Posted by Jocel

Those big ebay sellers from taiwan.. they know each other... again the intention of these cards was like novelty items, until 1 or so a few people(possible out of the circle of big collectors) decided to test grading companies if they can pass and yes some did pass on grading. Which gave the evil an idea of scamming.

Surely you can see why the bolded would seem unlikely to many people, right? It's hard to believe that near-perfect fakes were made without profit in mind from the very start. It would be one thing if fakes of a more piss-poor variety were given to friends just for a laugh to see if they could tell the difference. Instead, these were sent to grading companies. The idea of scamming didn't arise at the tail end of this sequence of events, it was there from the start.

I feel like there are a whole lot of nervous fakers right now.

Time to get outed, just for, ya know, novelty's sake.

[mk6283]

Does anyone know if fakes are known to have been made of these 1997 UD Game Jersey cards? I bought this Ewing card on eBay and the patch looks like it’s been manipulated. Also, I noticed that the UD logo in the bottom left corner is not etched out the same way it is on a Drexler that I own from the same set. Rather, it is flat. Here are photos and the auction link is below. (Real Drexler is the top card in photos, Ewing is the bottom. Difficult to capture the subtle difference on the photos. Does anyone have a known real Ewing to contrast? Can you send a pic of the lower left UD logo? Thanks.)

Thanks,
Michael







https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F153209173047


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[pinguino17]

I Can not attest to fake reproductions of the actual cards in this set but very blatant fake attempts at altering the GU Jersey have been recorded, including that horrid Jordan logoman. Is that glue or tape? The edges around the jersey swatch looks like a botched attempt at removing the jersey. Hope this example helps.

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[mk6283]

I also just noticed that the fine print on the Drexler (Top), which I presume is real, lists 1997 as the year, but the Ewing (Bottom) lists 1998 as the year. Weren’t these part of the same year/set though? Shouldn’t the Ewing also say 1997? Does anyone have a definite authentic Ewing that can confirm? Thanks.




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[mc1]

They were inserted in Series 1&2. I’ve seen different years for cards from the same product but different series.

[mk6283]

Originally Posted by mc1

They were inserted in Series 1&2. I’ve seen different years for cards from the same product but different series.

OK, so that probably explains that then. Thanks.


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[alleyoops]

Are the kobe rubies that probstein just posted real or fake?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-98-Sky...7cUQ:rk:2:pf:0

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1998-99-Sky...7cdL:rk:3:pf:0

[VIII]

Kobe 97 Rubies finished at 2k last night. Are collectors simply tuning out from this collection since only a selected few can spot the differences between real and fake?

[rogermaris]

Originally Posted by alleyoops

Are the kobe rubies that probstein just posted real or fake?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-98-Sky...7cUQ:rk:2:pf:0

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1998-99-Sky...7cdL:rk:3:pf:0

Both are real.

[goldkobe]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Forget about the 90's inserts - how many fake fleer jordan rookies do you guys have in your collection?

this is legit statement, the Jordan rookie should be fairly easy to fake hahaha