Alleged Card Trimmer and Former PSA Employee Mike Souza Exposed— eBay ID= 9999rbush - Page 18

pip · 03-18-2021, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rebbrooks

What do you'll think of the BGS 9 for sale in the B/S/T section? It only has 28 perforations across top and bottom. He's asking $6500 for it.

28 perforations = altered/recut. Mathematical impossibility for it to be original.

Edited to add: I just took a look. It has been recut on the the left side and top and bottom edges. 100% altered. One of the SIFK card molesters was probably trying for a BGS 10 and fell short because of surface wear (surface = 8) so ended up selling it on the secondary market.

rebbrooks · 03-18-2021, 03:27 PM

Thanks.

pspa123 · 03-18-2021, 03:55 PM

Even without counting it doesn't look right to me. What is going on with Beckett?

3124508 on COMC · 03-18-2021, 04:03 PM

I'm going to postulate that the subset of these cards that have been trimmed is almost entirely within the subset of cards that don't have a miscut and the subset of cards that do have a miscut is almost entirely devoid of trimmed cards.

pspa123 · 03-18-2021, 06:19 PM

As other SIFK rookies seem to be gaining hugely in value -- e.g. Serena, Mia, Usain -- I wonder if we'll see this same phenomenon.

pip · 03-18-2021, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by pspa123

As other SIFK rookies seem to be gaining hugely in value -- e.g. Serena, Mia, Usain -- I wonder if we'll see this same phenomenon.

Very likely.

Bruins1993 · 03-18-2021, 06:56 PM

https://www.milehighcardco.com/LotDe...entoryid=76612

@ $53,000 presently...

pspa123 · 03-18-2021, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruins1993

https://www.milehighcardco.com/LotDe...entoryid=76612

@ $53,000 presently...

It's really bad form to ignore emails politely advising you that you're selling an altered card. After two days, I figure they're ignoring me.

pip · 03-18-2021, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruins1993

https://www.milehighcardco.com/LotDe...entoryid=76612

@ $53,000 presently...

The $10,600 decision.

MoreToppsPlease · 03-18-2021, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by pspa123

It's really bad form to ignore emails politely advising you that you're selling an altered card. After two days, I figure they're ignoring me.

They’re too busy doing all they can to increase the value of the card to pay any attention to you.

pspa123 · 03-18-2021, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

They’re too busy doing all they can to increase the value of the card to pay any attention to you.

Not to sound egotistical, but Brian knows I can and would start a thread about it on Net 54. I guess the calculation these days is who cares. Nobody who matters is going to give a damn about the actual card.

pip · 03-18-2021, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by pspa123

Not to sound egotistical, but Brian knows I can and would start a thread about it on Net 54. I guess the calculation these days is who cares. Nobody who matters is going to give a damn about the actual card.

Collectors had the same attitude about all things Mastro until certain people started going to jail. Your posts make a difference as the FBI follows several of these forums regularly.

That reminds me...was there ever a list published of all those who received a subpoena from the FBI at the 2019 National? PWCC got one. Did Mile High? Don't forget that in Operation Foul Ball there were 63 convictions. I think this is even bigger than that both in terms of $ and number of participants in fraud. Drent and Rosenberg better be careful.

pspa123 · 03-18-2021, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by pip

Collectors had the same attitude about all things Mastro until certain people started going to jail. Your posts make a difference as the FBI follows several of these forums regularly.

That reminds me...was there ever a list published of all those who received a subpoena from the FBI at the 2019 National? PWCC got one. Did Mile High? Don't forget that in Operation Foul Ball there were 63 convictions. I think this is even bigger than that both in terms of $ and number of participants in fraud. Drent and Rosenberg better be careful.

Got irritated and posted it on Net 54. Hopefully Leon leaves it on the front page.

This is · 03-18-2021, 11:58 PM

Did anyone consider the following??

The $125k Psa 10 could have been a very successful PR stunt by Joe Orlando to generate press for Psa to capitalize on Tigers red hot career in 2001.

Think about it.. Mike Souza was a GRADER for Psa when this card was sold. None of this was disclosed in all the hoopla that the 'lucky' submitter was also a freaking grader.

Did Joe Orlando create this card to get media attention? Did anyone else share in the $125k with Mike Souza? I think these are fair questions.

Thunderdunk · 03-19-2021, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by This is

Did anyone consider the following??

The $125k Psa 10 could have been a very successful PR stunt by Joe Orlando to generate press for Psa to capitalize on Tigers red hot career in 2001.

Think about it.. Mike Souza was a GRADER for Psa when this card was sold. None of this was disclosed in all the hoopla that the 'lucky' submitter was also a freaking grader.

Did Joe Orlando create this card to get media attention? Did anyone else share in the $125k with Mike Souza? I think these are fair questions.

Totally possible.

It is still up on MHCC and got another bid

Glad to see their ethics are in the right place. Screw the bidders all for the mighty dollar even when they know its wrong. What a company! What happens when the unsuspecting buyer finds out!? They have a no return policy... But they had information about the altered nature of this exact insert before the auction was even close to over. The information on this exact card was public knowledge for over 1.5 YEARS! And they were notified with more then 17 days left on the auction. Wonder how that will hold up.

Here is their e-mail address if anyone wants to contact them. mhcc@milehighcardco.com

https://www.milehighcardco.com/LotDe...entoryid=76612

And the guy selling the altered one in the classifieds and fire selling it on ebay and having a good time. He is sending out private offers left and right trying to stick it on someone else.

pip · 03-19-2021, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Thunderdunk

Totally possible.

It is still up on MHCC and got another bid

Glad to see their ethics are in the right place. Screw the bidders all for the mighty dollar even when they know its wrong. What a company! What happens when the unsuspecting buyer finds out!? They have a no return policy... But they had information about the altered nature of this exact insert before the auction was even close to over. The information on this exact card was public knowledge for over 1.5 YEARS! And they were notified with more then 17 days left on the auction. Wonder how that will hold up.

Here is their e-mail address if anyone wants to contact them. mhcc@milehighcardco.com

https://www.milehighcardco.com/LotDe...entoryid=76612

And the guy selling the altered one in the classifieds and fire selling it on ebay and having a good time. He is sending out private offers left and right trying to stick it on someone else.

One of the unfortunate realities of all of the trimmed 1996 SIFK Tiger Woods cards is that collectors who have genuinely nice original cards (those that might grade Mint but not Gem Mint) are really getting screwed by the inflated population figures from reperfed examples. How much more would a legit BGS 9 or PSA 9 sell for if 95% of all 9.5s and 10s (and even some 9s) were eliminated from the marketplace? 2x? 3x?

mfw13 · 03-19-2021, 11:45 AM

Mile High has always been a sketchy operation with questionable ethics.

I'd never consign with them or buy from them.

MoreToppsPlease · 03-19-2021, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by This is

Did anyone consider the following??

The $125k Psa 10 could have been a very successful PR stunt by Joe Orlando to generate press for Psa to capitalize on Tigers red hot career in 2001.

Think about it.. Mike Souza was a GRADER for Psa when this card was sold. None of this was disclosed in all the hoopla that the 'lucky' submitter was also a freaking grader.

Did Joe Orlando create this card to get media attention? Did anyone else share in the $125k with Mike Souza? I think these are fair questions.

Joe’s stated mission is to make cards (really his SLABS) more expensive.

He’ll use any method at his disposal to achieve that end...think of all the ways he could go about his job in our completely unregulated, and almost entirely anonymous hobby.

pip · 03-19-2021, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mfw13

Mile High has always been a sketchy operation with questionable ethics.

I'd never consign with them or buy from them.

Brian Drent was on the PSA Insider's list of card molesters:

http://www.sportscardradio.com/anony...-trimmer-list/

Thus far, many of the names on the list have been verified by BODA as card alterers.

auburn35 · 03-20-2021, 07:19 PM

Appears that the Tiger was pulled from the auction.

Good job Mile High. Now we wait and see if Beckett has any integrity.

MoreToppsPlease · 03-20-2021, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by auburn35

Appears that the Tiger was pulled from the auction.

Good job Mile High. Now we wait and see if Beckett has any integrity.

Good! But what could Beckett do at this point? Put it in an “authentic“ slab?

pip · 03-20-2021, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

Good! But what could Beckett do at this point? Put it in an “authentic“ slab?

Well, Beckett pretty much grades trimmed cards as a matter of policy now so I'm not sure the SIFK Tiger Woods would even need a special designation from them.

pspa123 · 03-20-2021, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by pip

Well, Beckett pretty much grades trimmed cards as a matter of policy now so I'm not sure the SIFK Tiger Woods would even need a special designation from them.

Never mind the perforations, with the slope of both sides I maintain nobody could have graded that card in good faith much less given it a black label.

pspa123 · 03-20-2021, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by auburn35

Appears that the Tiger was pulled from the auction.

Good job Mile High. Now we wait and see if Beckett has any integrity.

Nice job to the folks here who made the case. Not that it was hard.

MoreToppsPlease · 03-20-2021, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by pip

Well, Beckett pretty much grades trimmed cards as a matter of policy now so I'm not sure the SIFK Tiger Woods would even need a special designation from them.

Huh, well that means there should be plenty more new Beckett black labels coming soon.

03-18-2021, 03:55 PM	#428
pspa123 Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 3,740	Even without counting it doesn't look right to me. What is going on with Beckett? __________________ "We will control the horizontal. We will control the vertical. We can roll the image, make it flutter. We can change the focus to a soft blur, or sharpen it to crystal clarity." Opening narration, The Outer Limits.

03-18-2021, 04:03 PM	#429
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,400	I'm going to postulate that the subset of these cards that have been trimmed is almost entirely within the subset of cards that don't have a miscut and the subset of cards that do have a miscut is almost entirely devoid of trimmed cards. __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud

03-18-2021, 06:19 PM	#430
pspa123 Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 3,740	As other SIFK rookies seem to be gaining hugely in value -- e.g. Serena, Mia, Usain -- I wonder if we'll see this same phenomenon. __________________ "We will control the horizontal. We will control the vertical. We can roll the image, make it flutter. We can change the focus to a soft blur, or sharpen it to crystal clarity." Opening narration, The Outer Limits.

03-18-2021, 06:56 PM	#432
Bruins1993 Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Location: Stuck inside of Mobile Posts: 1,291	https://www.milehighcardco.com/LotDe...entoryid=76612 @ $53,000 presently... __________________ #nevergetcheated Riiiiiiiiight

03-20-2021, 07:19 PM	#445
auburn35 Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 4,379	Appears that the Tiger was pulled from the auction. Good job Mile High. Now we wait and see if Beckett has any integrity. __________________ Ashley Lelie Rookie Collector, always looking for more.

03-18-2021, 03:27 PM	#427
rebbrooks Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 768	Thanks.

03-18-2021, 11:58 PM	#439
This is Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Posts: 729	Did anyone consider the following?? The $125k Psa 10 could have been a very successful PR stunt by Joe Orlando to generate press for Psa to capitalize on Tigers red hot career in 2001. Think about it.. Mike Souza was a GRADER for Psa when this card was sold. None of this was disclosed in all the hoopla that the 'lucky' submitter was also a freaking grader. Did Joe Orlando create this card to get media attention? Did anyone else share in the $125k with Mike Souza? I think these are fair questions.

03-19-2021, 11:45 AM	#442
mfw13 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 17,558	Mile High has always been a sketchy operation with questionable ethics. I'd never consign with them or buy from them.