Sports Card Investor from YouTube...

[ReggieBush22]

Originally Posted by duron

No, because again, his actual performance as an investor doesn’t matter. All that matters is that he’s participating in the market to make content to bring in adsense money from his YouTube videos. He’s even able to advertise his own pricing app on the same platform. It’s a win win. As horrific as his buys have been, it really doesn’t hurt him in the aggregate.

I just like how he’s still so clearly a card noob because being an expert was never his intent, or even just improving his knowledge base. It’s just the driver for his content.

He's not a noob bro. I've watched enough of his videos to know he's been collecting for decades. Like his box breaks of old boxes, like 1984 or 1986 Topps FB or 1988 Fleer basketball. You can't fake your way through knowing players, cards, situations, etc as he's going through the break.

[thenightman]

He's a "card investor" solely to sell an app he had his basement monkeys create. In other words, he's a pitchman for his own product, pretending to be a "card investor" so you buy his app.

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by ReggieBush22

He's not a noob bro. I've watched enough of his videos to know he's been collecting for decades. Like his box breaks of old boxes, like 1984 or 1986 Topps FB or 1988 Fleer basketball. You can't fake your way through knowing players, cards, situations, etc as he's going through the break.

His knowledge of grading is worse than my wife, who looks over all my submissions to double check I didn't miss anything. My wife knows nothing about sportscards, but I would trust her sending in a submission over PSA 7 1988 Fleer pack fresh Geoff Wilson.

He might be a sports fan and is an avid collector, but he gives absolutely horrific advice. He then jumped into vintage and started to give advice on that. All that did was caused more "investors" and flippers into vintage to enter a hobby they don't know anything about. The vintage YouTube PSA reveal with the "expert" calling Sandy Koufax "Sandy Kofo" and admitting he didn't know anything about him as a player is probably a huge Geoff Wilson fan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPi5NXGxA4M

I was fine with Geoff Wilson in the ultra-modern world, but now that he entered vintage, I will call him out on his stupidity. Gary Vee has 100 times the knowledge about vintage cards and grading than Geoff Wilson.

Please watch the following video and you will see that he knows nothing about how vintage cards are graded. This idiot just needs to stick to ultra-modern.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p46DRDlXHro&t=612s

[mindcycle]

Originally Posted by ReggieBush22

He's not a noob bro. I've watched enough of his videos to know he's been collecting for decades. Like his box breaks of old boxes, like 1984 or 1986 Topps FB or 1988 Fleer basketball. You can't fake your way through knowing players, cards, situations, etc as he's going through the break.

Decades.. He started his YT channel in 2019. His first videos were talking about Lonzo Ball as a good investment.

He probably collected as a kid in the 90’s but who didn’t..

Decades.. lol

[fabiani12333]

The irony might be that Geoff is actually a collector at heart pretending to be an investment guru. That would help explain his bad card investments and trades -- they are based on emotion and not sound strategy.

It seems like he gets a lot of hate for being a polished and bland hobby influencer. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of his haters are his competitors who see him as a threat.

[cardsharkk]

Originally Posted by thenightman

He's a "card investor" solely to sell an app he had his basement monkeys create. In other words, he's a pitchman for his own product, pretending to be a "card investor" so you buy his app.

Sad but true.

[Adubbs111]

Does anyone have any direct knowledge about his subscription base, or is it all wild speculation? I notice in most of the posts talking about how much ‘bank’ he’s making, everyone is assuming that subscribers are choosing the most expensive subscription, which I assure you is not the case. I’d be comfortable betting that the overwhelming majority of his subscribers choose the cheapest option and they don’t stay subscribed in perpetuity like people do with Netflix. It seems like a pretty unnecessary product to me. What value are you getting for $50 a month?!

I have to imagine that the people most likely to subscribe, especially to the highest tier, would be the people you find here, and most people seem pretty dismissive of the guy (granted, I’ve only read the past page or two). He’s got 240k YouTube subscribers, not 10 million.

He also seems to have pretty high expenses tied to his business. He pays for a team. As for some big exit, who would buy this business?

My impression is that the guy is highly motivated/type-A who got into card collecting again recently (like many of us), and he built a business that maybe break even or profits some, but most likely loses money.

I certainly don’t think he’s making so much money selling apps that he’ll gladly lose hundreds of thousands in trades and purchases because they’re marketing expenses.

Maybe I’m wrong, and someone has direct knowledge of his Income Statements, but unless that’s the case I’m not sure why everyone seems to think this is some great business.

[Kobe101]

Originally Posted by ReggieBush22

I still don't get all the hate for this guy. Yes, he tries to sell products, makes videos strictly to promote a paid advertiser, etc but by giving him all this hate and attention, you're giving him more power.

I have watched enough of his videos to know that he has been collecting for decades. So that in itself at least tells me he's on our side as a legit collector, not someone who just jumped in a few years ago.

He is a fraud who is not good for the hobby.

He charged people for investment advice for over a year and I would bet my life that 75% of those people lost money. And some probably lost a lot of money. Anthony Davis Prizm PSA 10 is a good by at $3K. I remember seeing someone who had a few of them. People lost a lot of money because his terrible advice so the hate is warranted in my opinion. Those people are never going to enjoy the hobby because they trusted a fake expert.


Those dummies that followed his advice of course deserve just as much if not more of the blame.

Doesn't change the fact he is a grifter that preyed on people trying to make a buck and he benefited greatly from it.

People that charge people for get rich quick schemes are the worst people in this world. Most of the people that fall for it do it out of desperation and can't afford to lose the money they are absolutely going to lose.

[ZappBrannigan]

He’s going to keep on fighting and get to the top with a chip on his shoulder. Whatever that means.

[jlzinck]

Is he still threatening to sue people who disagree with him?

[mindcycle]

Originally Posted by Adubbs111

My impression is that the guy is highly motivated/type-A who got into card collecting again recently (like many of us), and he built a business that maybe break even or profits some, but most likely loses money.

I certainly don’t think he’s making so much money selling apps that he’ll gladly lose hundreds of thousands in trades and purchases because they’re marketing expenses.

Maybe I’m wrong, and someone has direct knowledge of his Income Statements, but unless that’s the case I’m not sure why everyone seems to think this is some great business.

He'd never provide that, along with never opening his books for 2020/21 card "investments". Likely because it would all be at a loss like you mention.

I won't go too deep into it because the previous thread was removed due to discussing, but gov handouts may have had something to do with it.. Imagine getting a couple mil for you main business, seemingly enough to cover several years of salary. You'd be fairly free to dump money into other losing businesses for awhile.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by Kobe101

He is a fraud who is not good for the hobby.

He charged people for investment advice for over a year and I would bet my life that 75% of those people lost money. And some probably lost a lot of money. Anthony Davis Prizm PSA 10 is a good by at $3K. I remember seeing someone who had a few of them. People lost a lot of money because his terrible advice so the hate is warranted in my opinion. Those people are never going to enjoy the hobby because they trusted a fake expert.


Those dummies that followed his advice of course deserve just as much if not more of the blame.

Doesn't change the fact he is a grifter that preyed on people trying to make a buck and he benefited greatly from it.

People that charge people for get rich quick schemes are the worst people in this world. Most of the people that fall for it do it out of desperation and can't afford to lose the money they are absolutely going to lose.

I'm not trying to be a moral relavist, but didn't most, if not nearly all, the fly-by-night pandemic hobby influencers give bad card investment advice? I just assume most of them were grifters looking to make a quick buck.

The difference with Geoff is he has high production value and has stayed in the hobby. A lot of the other grifters, as you put it, left when their grifting no longer became profitable.

[pokemaniac]

He has videos of shows and cool cards that I would normally not attend/see. He also has clean fingernails (1/1?) and good video production. Govt. bailout discussion aside, it's hard to feel remorse for anyone who trusted him and/or expected to get rich from sports card investing. There is such a thing as personal responsibility. A fool and his money.. I can't remember.

[ReggieBush22]

I just don't get why so many people in here are so triggered by another collector who has a Youtube channel. He's not putting a gun to your head and forcing you to watch his channel, buy his app, listen to his advice, etc. You are free to NOT watch his channel. However, he's clearly doing something right which is attractive to other collectors.

Just comes across as hating. Before you judge, look in the mirror.

[cholodolo]

Originally Posted by ReggieBush22

I just don't get why so many people in here are so triggered by another collector who has a Youtube channel. He's not putting a gun to your head and forcing you to watch his channel, buy his app, listen to his advice, etc. You are free to NOT watch his channel. However, he's clearly doing something right which is attractive to other collectors.

Just comes across as hating. Before you judge, look in the mirror.

Maybe if his channel was Sports Card Collector people would be more charitable and treat him as a collector rather than opportunist and profiteer (although, more like lossiteer).

[dizzy4111]

Originally Posted by mindcycle

He'd never provide that, along with never opening his books for 2020/21 card "investments". Likely because it would all be at a loss like you mention.

I won't go too deep into it because the previous thread was removed due to discussing, but gov handouts may have had something to do with it.. Imagine getting a couple mil for you main business, seemingly enough to cover several years of salary. You'd be fairly free to dump money into other losing businesses for awhile.

That honestly explains everything. The guy gives scammer-at-heart vibes to me.

[mindcycle]

Originally Posted by ReggieBush22

I just don't get why so many people in here are so triggered by another collector who has a Youtube channel. He's not putting a gun to your head and forcing you to watch his channel, buy his app, listen to his advice, etc. You are free to NOT watch his channel. However, he's clearly doing something right which is attractive to other collectors.

Just comes across as hating. Before you judge, look in the mirror.

Is it hating to point out that his advice of investing in Lonzo Ball and Ben Simmons was a losing proposition? Or that buying AD Prizm RC's for 10k might be a bad idea? Or 250k for a Jordan PSA 10 RC was probably not "the bottom" as Geoff bragged about in 2021 after buying one for that price.

Idk man, seems like all these "haters" are just collectors looking out for each other..

[tconte]

Originally Posted by mindcycle

Is it hating to point out that his advice of investing in Lonzo Ball and Ben Simmons was a losing proposition? Or that buying AD Prizm RC's for 10k might be a bad idea? Or 250k for a Jordan PSA 10 RC was probably not "the bottom" as Geoff bragged about in 2021 after buying one for that price.

Idk man, seems like all these "haters" are just collectors looking out for each other..

Exactly.

Keep your pie-hole shut if you don't have a clue.

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by ReggieBush22

I just don't get why so many people in here are so triggered by another collector who has a Youtube channel. He's not putting a gun to your head and forcing you to watch his channel, buy his app, listen to his advice, etc. You are free to NOT watch his channel. However, he's clearly doing something right which is attractive to other collectors.

Just comes across as hating. Before you judge, look in the mirror.

I now have to compete with Gary Vee type flippers for vintage because of this idiot and promoting vintage on his channel. We now have people buying raw "Sandy Kofo" cards and trying to flip them with the advice of their idol Geoff "1988 Fleer Pack Fresh" Wilson.

By the way, I am all for younger collectors getting into vintage. However, these people only see the card for $$$. I will help any young collector who posts on the vintage forums. There are awesome ways to collect, even at a low price point.

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by ReggieBush22

I just don't get why so many people in here are so triggered by another collector who has a Youtube channel. He's not putting a gun to your head and forcing you to watch his channel, buy his app, listen to his advice, etc. You are free to NOT watch his channel. However, he's clearly doing something right which is attractive to other collectors.

Just comes across as hating. Before you judge, look in the mirror.

Here's an idea: He's giving new hobbyists really bad advice while he's profiting off of them. Im not upset that he's making money in the hobby...Im "triggered" by the way he's doing it. Like it or not...he's one of the faces of our hobby now, and that's not a positive in any way. I will continue to shout it from the roof tops that this guy is nothing more than a used car salesman. He's a complete negative for the hobby.

[bigdog2003]

I get that he gives terrible advice, but if anybody is blindly taking it or the advice or any other influencer, I have no sympathy for them. If people are willing to continue to give him money for his "product" even after losing over and over, they are fools.

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by bigdog2003

I get that he gives terrible advice, but if anybody is blindly taking it or the advice or any other influencer, I have no sympathy for them. If people are willing to continue to give him money for his "product" even after losing over and over, they are fools.

What about the young kids he is influencing using his son as a tool to promote "investing" for teenagers.

[bigdog2003]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

What about the young kids he is influencing using his son as a tool to promote "investing" for teenagers.

How young are we talking?

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by bigdog2003

How young are we talking?

https://www.youtube.com/@cardkids

Geoff Wilson should be ashamed of what he's doing here. Got to train your kid to be a used car salesman at a young age! A kids channel promoting ripping people off to make a dollar. Parent of the year!

Edit: If I was YouTube I would remove this from the "YouTube Kids" channel. A channel made by a spoiled rich kid for other spoiled rich kids. just need your daddy to give you $1000 a week to invest in sportscards.

[bigdog2003]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

https://www.youtube.com/@cardkids

Geoff Wilson should be ashamed of what he's doing here. Got to train your kid to be a used car salesman at a young age! A kids channel promoting ripping people off to make a dollar. Parent of the year!

Edit: If I was YouTube I would remove this from the "YouTube Kids" channel. A channel made by a spoiled rich kid for other spoiled rich kids. just need your daddy to give you $1000 a week to invest in sportscards.

Yeah, that's pretty bad. I've never watched it, but I'm sure you also uses the Geoff is my dad angle to make deals happen.