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[matt roberson]

I agree.

I like that he came in with all that hype and doesn’t seem arrogant or selfish when it comes to his play and role on this team. The Pels have a ton of young talent and if they get a whole season to mesh they could be dangerous come playoff time, which I firmly believe they will be a part of.

I only have one good card of him and was late the party but I’m becoming a believer based on what I see and not what I hear.... and I wanted to hate him because you know, Duke.

[Birdanski]

Originally Posted by calculusdork

Numbers or no numbers .... Zion is the reason the Pels are a good team. He draws so much attention that there is always an open man, and NO has finally learned how to move the ball. FVV took the ball from Zion on a double-team early in the game, and the next time Zion had the ball they tried it again ... he immediately got rid of it.

Ingram looks better. With Zion drawing defenses to him, I would not be surprised to see him play the 1 at times. I believe we're potentially going to see less points, and more assists from Big Z, which will be fine. It might cause his card values to stumble a little, but I'm telling you ... the Pels are better than many people think. They look like a 42-win team.

And of course, against teams with no effective big, Zion is going to feast.

I agree with this take. For sure he is the reason the Pels will be humming if they do play well. He demands a lot of attention in the interior for sure. But as we all know...hoops analysis and card values don't go hand in hand. Thus why he is such a high risk proposition compared to the Morants/Doncics/etc.. 20-12 wont sustain his current card values

[calculusdork]

Originally Posted by Birdanski

I agree with this take. For sure he is the reason the Pels will be humming if they do play well. He demands a lot of attention in the interior for sure. But as we all know...hoops analysis and card values don't go hand in hand. Thus why he is such a high risk proposition compared to the Morants/Doncics/etc.. 20-12 wont sustain his current card values

I think it depends. If they are 16-11 or 17-10 and sitting at 5th in the West at the break, then I think 20/10 is going to be just fine.

I know I'm getting ahead of myself, but ... I'm hopeful.

[Birdanski]

Originally Posted by calculusdork

I think it depends. If they are 16-11 or 17-10 and sitting at 5th in the West at the break, then I think 20/10 is going to be just fine.

I know I'm getting ahead of myself, but ... I'm hopeful.

Yep Im pulling for him as well...both from a card perspective and because I think he looks like a great dude that is fantastic for the league and hobby potentially.

[JCLebron]

Originally Posted by calculusdork

I think it depends. If they are 16-11 or 17-10 and sitting at 5th in the West at the break, then I think 20/10 is going to be just fine.

I know I'm getting ahead of myself, but ... I'm hopeful.

I think Zion needs like 25PPG, he was hyped big time.

[Akphillips86]

20-10 + playoffs EASILY sustains current prices. Remember, he’s only 20. All people need to see is a healthy Zion with nightly production to sustain his prices this year. I think we are still likely to see a slow but steady increase over the course of this season, partly due to him having so many nationally televised games.

He was hyped big time but also took a dip last year. After he returned in better shape, his prices bounced back big time on some stuff, while others have lagged behind. Only his high end and classic choices (Autos, Prizm PSA 10, Silvers, etc) have much priced in given his potential. ALOT of middle tier stuff still has serious room for growth. He actually has some interesting disparities in his market that I think will correct over time.


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[Birdanski]

Originally Posted by Akphillips86

20-10 + playoffs EASILY sustains current prices. Remember, he’s only 20. All people need to see is a healthy Zion with nightly production to sustain his prices this year. I think we are still likely to see a slow but steady increase over the course of this season, partly due to him having so many nationally televised games.

He was hyped big time but also took a dip last year. After he returned in better shape, his prices bounced back big time on some stuff, while others have lagged behind. Only his high end and classic choices (Autos, Prizm PSA 10, Silvers, etc) have much priced in given his potential. ALOT of middle tier stuff still has serious room for growth. He actually has some interesting disparities in his market that I think will correct over time.


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Will be interesting....I hope you are right! Just seems like he has to start to do some special things to sustain the value as he isn't even the best player in the 2019 class. I think he needs some bigger numbers than 20-10...which is only slightly more than Ayton for perspective. Lets hope he starts tomorrow!

[Wade Mulroy]

Last year he was at 22+ and 6 on limited time, out of shape, etc.; so I don't think he'll struggle to attain 20-10 and beyond this season. I'm not sure about the rebounds, but 25 ppg shouldn't be unreasonable.

Full disclosure - I have a modest collection of Zion + some sealed wax, so of course I would love to see those prices continue to appreciate over time, but everything was bought at retail and this is purely a hobby first and foremost with me. Whether he tanks or becomes the GOAT won't affect my livelihood, but he seems to be a very humble, likeable guy that is easy to root for along with his immense talent. It's nice to see his type of humility amongst a sea of divas and I'd rather see him put up modest numbers on a contender than fill up a box score and sit at home every summer.

[allstarcomics]

Team looks completely different with a solid old school coach. The ball is actually moving and they play defense Things Gentry couldn't accomplish. Aquaman Adams is a upgrade at the 5.

[Gio47]

Zion looked amazing. Pelicans defense looked solid. Future is bright in NOLA.

[StrongandFree86]

Hit a Zion Flawless Auto /25 in a serial # break last night. That and a solid game made for a good night.

[ninjacookies]

Anyone catch the Z Flawless logoman (non auto) hit by Firehands last night?

#1/10 jsy number RPA hit by Layton as well.




Wild.

[Keyser Soze]

Originally Posted by StrongandFree86

Hit a Zion Flawless Auto /25 in a serial # break last night. That and a solid game made for a good night.

Damn. Congrats.


I could see 28 and 8 for the season.

[GeechQuest]

Saw something today that since 1996 Zion has scored more points in his first 25 games than everybody except Iverson. 555 points vs 556 points (Iverson).

To do that while completely out of shape and on a minutes restriction is an insane accomplishment.

I’m not someone who even likes random, cherry picked stats like thought but just thought it was a crazy one.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Saw something today that since 1996 Zion has scored more points in his first 25 games than everybody except Iverson. 555 points vs 556 points (Iverson).

To do that while completely out of shape and on a minutes restriction is an insane accomplishment.

I’m not someone who even likes random, cherry picked stats like thought but just thought it was a crazy one.

BuT He StILL RuNz FuNnIe.

[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Saw something today that since 1996 Zion has scored more points in his first 25 games than everybody except Iverson. 555 points vs 556 points (Iverson).

To do that while completely out of shape and on a minutes restriction is an insane accomplishment.

I’m not someone who even likes random, cherry picked stats like thought but just thought it was a crazy one.

Zion’s efficiency is otherworldly. I LOVE AI so definitely no disrespect to The Answer, but I’m sure Zion was able to get to 555 in far fewer shots attempted as well.

The kid is still so young and let’s be honest, his trajectory is tough to nail down because we haven’t really seen a Zion before.


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[Spacemanspif]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Anyone catch the Z Flawless logoman (non auto) hit by Firehands last night?

#1/10 jsy number RPA hit by Layton as well.




Wild.

hot damn I just went to check out that vid. as expensive as this set is, I've sen some major cards pulled already. two breaks I watched yesterday had championship tags /2, Dirk and Rui. if people weren't snatching up my Warriors as soon as breaks get posted I'd be willing to flush $500 down the toilet for the opportunity at a dope Curry (of course what I'd actually hit would be a Wiggins diamond, if not skunked)

[Birdanski]

Originally Posted by Akphillips86

Zion’s efficiency is otherworldly. I LOVE AI so definitely no disrespect to The Answer, but I’m sure Zion was able to get to 555 in far fewer shots attempted as well.

The kid is still so young and let’s be honest, his trajectory is tough to nail down because we haven’t really seen a Zion before.


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The efficiency is a little misleading because he doesn't have the ability to score outside of 10 feet.....so he SHOULD be shooting 60-70%. Once he gets better offensively you will actually see that go down

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by Spacemanspif

hot damn I just went to check out that vid. as expensive as this set is, I've sen some major cards pulled already. two breaks I watched yesterday had championship tags /2, Dirk and Rui. if people weren't snatching up my Warriors as soon as breaks get posted I'd be willing to flush $500 down the toilet for the opportunity at a dope Curry (of course what I'd actually hit would be a Wiggins diamond, if not skunked)

I'm curious how much the logoman would pull in the current market?

I'm assuming that's a separate subset and they still have a logoman auto version?

Either way, monster money exchanging hands at the moment.

[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by Birdanski

The efficiency is a little misleading because he doesn't have the ability to score outside of 10 feet.....so he SHOULD be shooting 60-70%. Once he gets better offensively you will actually see that go down

Ah yes, Zion’s well documented offensive struggles...wait just looked at his stats, scratch that.

I don’t just mean shot percentage in regards to efficiency, it’s also points scored in minutes played. Nevertheless, if I could blow past guards and bully forwards to get to the rim like Zion I wouldn’t be settling for too many mid range jumpers. True it won’t hurt to add a little shooting touch to his arsenal, but as long as he can knock down free throws he’s golden.


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[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by Akphillips86

Zion’s efficiency is otherworldly. I LOVE AI so definitely no disrespect to The Answer, but I’m sure Zion was able to get to 555 in far fewer shots attempted as well.

The kid is still so young and let’s be honest, his trajectory is tough to nail down because we haven’t really seen a Zion before.


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Probably right.

Also that factoid doesn’t mean anything, I just thought it was crazy because my DMT clouded memory doesn’t ever remember a Zion game where he went bonkers with buckets. I just never would have guessed he would be second on the chopped up list.

[Birdanski]

Originally Posted by Akphillips86

Ah yes, Zion’s well documented offensive struggles...wait just looked at his stats, scratch that.

I don’t just mean shot percentage in regards to efficiency, it’s also points scored in minutes played. Nevertheless, if I could blow past guards and bully forwards to get to the rim like Zion I wouldn’t be settling for too many mid range jumpers. True it won’t hurt to add a little shooting touch to his arsenal, but as long as he can knock down free throws he’s golden.


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I hope so!! But not having a jumper will hurt him against good defensive teams....we saw him in the bubble when he played playoff teams....or a upper echelon team like Toronto last night

[Birdanski]

Im pulling for him as much as anyone. But card value-wise I think he is definitely high risk as a one-trick offensive pony

[oaklandasfan]

Big game 15 points😯😯

[StrongandFree86]

Originally Posted by Birdanski

Im pulling for him as much as anyone. But card value-wise I think he is definitely high risk as a one-trick offensive pony

His block last night looked pretty impressive on the ol' highlight reel.