2023 Upper Deck Marvel Masterpieces - Dan dos Santos

[Fenian95]

Originally Posted by hottoys2012

which fb group ?

Marvel Masterpieces Collectors.

[Chrominator]

Originally Posted by TimBuckTwo

Charlie don't surf !

Oops wrong movie...

colonel kilgore > silver surfer anyday

[Chrominator]

Originally Posted by LittleJimmies

That Mirage card is amazing. I love lenticulars and that's got to be the cleanest execution I've ever seen.

Agreed. It's pretty bad ass.

I'm ready for someone to rip a case or two of this, and let me watch

[Talyn]

Seeing people open multiple boxes of this really put into perspective how the economy sure as hell is working for someone that aint me lol. That like a months rent…

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by Chrominator

Agreed. It's pretty bad ass.

I'm ready for someone to rip a case or two of this, and let me watch

2 cases is pushing 24 grand at these prices….pretty crazy thinking about it like that.

Singles prices are high compared to 2020MM out of the gate, as they should be.

How many individual cards have sold for over a box price though. I was looking at a tier 4 base spiderman true base and even that sold for around the price of a box but not more.

[fabiani12333]

This is a kind of nerdy thing to point out, but the Galactus vs Silver Surfer battle spectrum artwork has an error. It depicts what look like bullet holes in Galactus' helmet, presumably from Silver Surfer's energy beams. But in the comics, Galactus' appearance is not actually real -- he is a being of pure energy that appears as a giant humanoid to certain observers. So his helmet couldn't actually be damaged in a battle:

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/upl...physically.jpg

[issa115]

I've got a chance to get a sealed case from our LCS @625 per box. is it a good deal and keep sealed case for long term or rip it ?

thanks!

[1992UDFootball]

Originally Posted by issa115

I've got a chance to get a sealed case from our LCS @625 per box. is it a good deal and keep sealed case for long term or rip it ?

thanks!

Prolly read through the thread and come to a conclusion yourself.

[smanzari]

Originally Posted by issa115

I've got a chance to get a sealed case from our LCS @625 per box. is it a good deal and keep sealed case for long term or rip it ?

thanks!

Depends on your plans with it, but that's pretty much where mine were at and I ripped away

[smanzari]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Since cardboard connection checklist for holofoils is all wrong, trying to put together a list of the holofoils. Sourced from ebay...let me know if you see the others

1. Captain America
2.
3. Wolverine
4. Thor
5. Hope Summers
6. Ant-Man
7. Wasp
8. Thanos
9.
10.
11. Quicksilver
12. Scarlet Witch
13. Captain Marvel
14. Morbius
15. Groot
16. Kingpin
17. Daredevil
18. Omega Red
19. Silver Surfer
20. Sauron

Originally Posted by PurplesaurusRex

Filled in the remaining ones.

I don't know if its been mentioned, but the Base Card Checklist is off on Cardboard Connection as well - I know Cloak and Dagger are both listed as wrong numbers (switched on the cards); not sure if there's others as I have not dug

[Ehawk89]

Bought a pack in a break last night and managed to get a /15 amber Moon Knight.

[PurplesaurusRex]

Originally Posted by Talyn

Seeing people open multiple boxes of this really put into perspective how the economy sure as hell is working for someone that aint me lol. That like a months rent…

Lol yep. Buy a case or buy a nice used car?

[PurplesaurusRex]

People are really banking on singles prices staying strong. Seems like a lot of gold sigs in these boxes which gives me a red flag. They could print a ton of these, just because they say parallel doesn't mean they have to be printed in a 1:1 ratio.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by smanzari

I don't know if its been mentioned, but the Base Card Checklist is off on Cardboard Connection as well - I know Cloak and Dagger are both listed as wrong numbers (switched on the cards); not sure if there's others as I have not dug

Good find. I am glancing at the base checklist and there seems to be multiple cards switched around.

Gambit should be #8, Archangel #51, Mojo #36, Dazzler #18, and then the ones those switched with will be off. There will probably be others.

Apparently UD pulling a 93MM and went out of their way to have the triptych's not consecutive in the set...not sure why. May as well just have them consecutive on a 9-card page but I guess not.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by PurplesaurusRex

People are really banking on singles prices staying strong. Seems like a lot of gold sigs in these boxes which gives me a red flag. They could print a ton of these, just because they say parallel doesn't mean they have to be printed in a 1:1 ratio.

Ive watched a lot of box breaks of this. The last card in most packs is the gold sig (the exception is when the pack contains a preliminary art which will be the last card).

This all adds up with the odds given on cardboard connection for golds.
Tier 1, 1:2
Tier 2, 1:4
Tier 3, 1:12
Tier 4, 1:72
Prelim art 1:6

In 72 packs then, we should expect there to be 72/2+72/4+72/12+72/72 golds, or 61 golds. The single tier 4 gold you should expect would likely be the middle card since it's a hit. So about 60 of the 72 packs we should expect to have a gold as the last card in the pack, and that exactly adds up since Prelim art is 1:6, meaning the remaining 12 of those 72 packs will have the Prelim art as last card.

So the odds look fine from physical observations of breaks. Using those odds, and the other listed odds, overall print run was roughly calculated above in a post and came out to be 13,800 or so boxes (and I want to add a major assumption that calculation contains: that the epack odds will be the same or nearly the same as physical odds. I understand that it is not always the case with epack with some sets. I expect it to be very similar in this set though).

[TimBuckTwo]

Originally Posted by Chrominator

Agreed. It's pretty bad ass.

I'm ready for someone to rip a case or two of this, and let me watch

Originally Posted by PurplesaurusRex

People are really banking on singles prices staying strong. Seems like a lot of gold sigs in these boxes which gives me a red flag. They could print a ton of these, just because they say parallel doesn't mean they have to be printed in a 1:1 ratio.

There was a MEGA Spidey City or something on youtube last night and a bunch of different guys were opening box after box if you want to find it.

There seem to be 1 maybe two Gold sigs in everypack which like I said before is gonna make it damn hard to build a base set (8-10 cards of base) it means you have to buy 10 boxes to MAYBE come close if you hit a Tier 4 in each box which won't happen so then you are spending 5-7K just to get the Tier 4 set.

Boxes I have purchased will likely be to hold. I don't see the value in the break or recouping alot of the money of a box at $900.

Only saw a few Thor, Venom, Spidey across all the box breaks I watched and one guy hit a number of various Spidey's in his box but that was the outlier.

[TimBuckTwo]

Originally Posted by Talyn

Seeing people open multiple boxes of this really put into perspective how the economy sure as hell is working for someone that aint me lol. That like a months rent…

It is not sustainable for the larger market. It is gambling in it's purest sense.

But when I pull that 1/1 Gold Spidey Canvas I tell you.....!

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by TimBuckTwo

There was a MEGA Spidey City or something on youtube last night and a bunch of different guys were opening box after box if you want to find it.

There seem to be 1 maybe two Gold sigs in everypack which like I said before is gonna make it damn hard to build a base set (8-10 cards of base) it means you have to buy 10 boxes to MAYBE come close if you hit a Tier 4 in each box which won't happen so then you are spending 5-7K just to get the Tier 4 set.

Boxes I have purchased will likely be to hold. I don't see the value in the break or recouping alot of the money of a box at $900.

Only saw a few Thor, Venom, Spidey across all the box breaks I watched and one guy hit a number of various Spidey's in his box but that was the outlier.

It will be very hard to recoup the value of a $900 box, but as you say people are gambling for that huge 1/1 hit. The golds run about 1 per pack (actually a little less, because some packs have the prelim art, talked about in my last post).

The people building sets, especially tier 4 base, will have to do it by cherry picking singles...cant imagine people will be trying to put that stuff together from boxes.

I watched that video as well, it was from Spidey Hits, called marvel masterpieces box party, it's on youtube, must have been 40+ boxes opened on it. Btw that had one of the craziest, biggest coincidences I think I've ever seen. If you skip to 2:23:00 in the video, the person opening talks about a memorable moment where he opened a pack with 3 pmgs in it. In the very first pack out came 3 Blades. All the cards in the pack were the same Blade card (base,what if, gold foil). This is like astronomical odds territory for that entire scenario to happen, it was really funny.

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[EcksDoublePrime]

So when is e-pack getting released?

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by EcksDoublePrime

So when is e-pack getting released?

I dont think anyone knows. 2020MM physical came out in Sept 2020 and epack not until Feb 2021.

Spidey Metal only took like a few weeks to hit epack. I believe Fleer Ultra Avengers took 4 months or so.

I heard rumors maybe just a couple months for this....but no one really knows. Could be longer. Upper Deck still has Fleer Ultra Avengers on there, and you'd think they'd want to sell more of that off before putting this one on.

[TimBuckTwo]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

It will be very hard to recoup the value of a $900 box, but as you say people are gambling for that huge 1/1 hit. The golds run about 1 per pack (actually a little less, because some packs have the prelim art, talked about in my last post).

The people building sets, especially tier 4 base, will have to do it by cherry picking singles...cant imagine people will be trying to put that stuff together from boxes.

I watched that video as well, it was from Spidey Hits, called marvel masterpieces box party, it's on youtube, must have been 40+ boxes opened on it. Btw that had one of the craziest, biggest coincidences I think I've ever seen. If you skip to 2:23:00 in the video, the person opening talks about a memorable moment where he opened a pack with 3 pmgs in it. In the very first pack came out came 3 Blades. All the cards in the pack were the same Blade card (base,what if, gold foil). This is like astronomical odds territory for that entire scenario to happen, it was really funny.

Edit:

Yes very difficult to but together just buying boxes. But you would have to buy or adeptly trade the singles which to trade means you would have to hit big hits of comparable value.

This set may be a back breaker for a number of collectors.

2018 I got enough good stuff and with cheap ebay purchase could put together 2 base sets.

2020 I could only muster 1 base set and 1 extra Tier 4.

This year I would have to lay out from 6 - 15k to put together a set. It will not happen but I will see what lies ahead on epack.

I think they keep alot of the better stuff for epack release instead of it going into the boxes. Just my hunch.

Guesstamate for epack pack price $55 or better. AND THAT is a huge pill to swallow.

[Chrominator]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Upper Deck still has Fleer Ultra Avengers on there, and you'd think they'd want to sell more of that off before putting this one on.

It'll make Avengers look a lot more appealing for only 22/pack

I doubt I'll be able to stomach the MM price.

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by EcksDoublePrime

So when is e-pack getting released?

The epack price is going to be historically high. They tend to stay close to retail price, probably don't want to anger any of their retail partners by offering the same product for drastically lower prices.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

The epack price is going to be historically high. They tend to stay close to retail price, probably don't want to anger any of their retail partners by offering the same product for drastically lower prices.

Even if epack prices are nuts, which Im sure they will be, Im still banking on the glut of singles flooding onto comc to make this set feasible to collect

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Even if epack prices are nuts, which Im sure they will be, Im still banking on the glut of singles flooding onto comc to make this set feasible to collect

Totally agree, I'm talking more to the folks who want to gamble on a box and think epack is going to be closer to MSRP.