Michael Jordan RC, PSA 10, shatters 100k !!!

[auburn35]

Originally Posted by tracymcgravy

Seller with <20 feedback, does not have photos of the card in hard (only scans), and an old PSA label without any of the new safety technology. Think most people are smart enough to stay away from a listing like this. Wouldn't consider it alongside any other Jordan 10 sales.

Originally Posted by Spacemanspif

shows as paid on terapeak and has to go through authentication. so, guess you'll have to keep tracking it

Originally Posted by auburn35

What a fun rabbit hole that 130K eBay "sale" ended up providing.
Appears that recent eBay PSA 10 "sale" (22978516) is/was part of Probstein123's collection. Even appears in Ricky's showcase, from this recent IG video he posted last week.

Also humorous, the card right next to it in the video just happens to be the infamous "coffee stained" Jordan (02000290) that was pulled from Goldin auctions and "reviewed" by PSA. Was Probstein the consignor or the person the "10" was dumped upon, after Goldin pulled the auction?

Maybe unrelated but the PSA certification that was used in the apparent fake eBay sale from March has appeared again, this time in a counterfeit holder.
I doubt this passed the authentication review, if something was actually shipped in March but this copy is obviously in a fake holder.

Yahoo Japan.
1986 Fleer Michael Jordan rookie card PSA10 GEM MT
https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp...on/w1097282167

[Mustang602]

[QUOTE=DragonWagon;18927081]

Originally Posted by JAMSC

Pretty sure the original I posted is fake. Same user is trying to pass off another fake Jordan rookie in a PSA holder with fake eBay authentication too.

Added to the Altered Card Database
1986 Michael Jordan Fleer #57 PSA 9 cert# 28617913

Can you share the link to the Altered Card Database?

[Bcr]

Well, I finally joined the club and am a proud owner of an 86 Fleer MJ. Although it's a mid grade and I had to sell a huge chunk of my sealed wax stash, I am super excited for it's arrival.

[MIDNITE Z]

Originally Posted by Bcr

Well, I finally joined the club and am a proud owner of an 86 Fleer MJ. Although it's a mid grade and I had to sell a huge chunk of my sealed wax stash, I am super excited for it's arrival.

That is awesome! congrats!


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[DragonWagon]

[QUOTE=Mustang602;18928925]

Originally Posted by DragonWagon

Can you share the link to the Altered Card Database?

https://www.tiffanycards.com/altered-card-database


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[Jsquared123]

Originally Posted by Bcr

Well, I finally joined the club and am a proud owner of an 86 Fleer MJ. Although it's a mid grade and I had to sell a huge chunk of my sealed wax stash, I am super excited for it's arrival.

Awesome! Congrats Let’s see a pic!

[Cardsandcoffee]

Originally Posted by Bcr

Well, I finally joined the club and am a proud owner of an 86 Fleer MJ. Although it's a mid grade and I had to sell a huge chunk of my sealed wax stash, I am super excited for it's arrival.

Me too! I'm proud to say I picked up a way better than advertised PSA 6.5

[GOATcards]

Originally Posted by Jsquared123

Awesome! Congrats Let’s see a pic!

Originally Posted by Cardsandcoffee

Me too! I'm proud to say I picked up a way better than advertised PSA 6.5

but i thought we were being told around here, by folks with just the very best credibility (), that there's more room for the market to drop

[pingbling23]

Still kind of funny with all the doom and gloom talk cards are still selling for more then we ever expected even in this down economy. I could literally sale my bgs 8 fleer rc and the profit would probably cover my entire lifetime expense in the hobby to this point. Not to mention the bgs 8 star rc that I bought less then 10 years ago. I guess if you spent heavily during the Covid boom your outlook is different then mine but rationally those weren’t sustainable prices.

[GOATcards]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

Still kind of funny with all the doom and gloom talk cards are still selling for more then we ever expected even in this down economy. I could literally sale my bgs 8 fleer rc and the profit would probably cover my entire lifetime expense in the hobby to this point. Not to mention the bgs 8 star rc that I bought less then 10 years ago. I guess if you spent heavily during the Covid boom your outlook is different then mine but rationally those weren’t sustainable prices.

I guess we're stuck with this damn "Fleer RC" lie and it hurts me every time to see it. This thread's subject line is a lie.

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by GOATcards

but i thought we were being told around here, by folks with just the very best credibility (), that there's more room for the market to drop

It looks like the bottom hit for all the grades except the PSA 10 cards. All the other grades, especially mid-grades, seem to be on the way up right now. I think the PSA 10 still has a little correction to do. I think it ends up being a stable $140 to $150K card.

[GOATcards]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

It looks like the bottom hit for all the grades except the PSA 10 cards. All the other grades, especially mid-grades, seem to be on the way up right now. I think the PSA 10 still has a little correction to do. I think it ends up being a stable $140 to $150K card.

must be well-centered examples in the mid-grades eh

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by GOATcards

must be well-centered examples in the mid-grades eh

80's cards aren't vintage. This is junk wax.

[Cardsandcoffee]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

It looks like the bottom hit for all the grades except the PSA 10 cards. All the other grades, especially mid-grades, seem to be on the way up right now. I think the PSA 10 still has a little correction to do. I think it ends up being a stable $140 to $150K card.

This is what I’ve noticed as well. The CL sales data appears to back this up too

[Jsquared123]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

It looks like the bottom hit for all the grades except the PSA 10 cards. All the other grades, especially mid-grades, seem to be on the way up right now. I think the PSA 10 still has a little correction to do. I think it ends up being a stable $140 to $150K card.

I've noticed this too. I track 7s and 8s more closely than other grades and there has definitely been a solid 10+% bump on these since the end of last year.

[Snakeonia]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

80's cards aren't vintage. This is junk wax.

Another 7-17 years they will be vintage.


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[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by Snakeonia

Another 7-17 years they will be vintage.


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Nah, always will be junk wax. These cards are 37 years old and still don't have the vintage label.

[auburn35]

For the humor, I was rooting for the stained PSA 10 - 02000290 to cross over, but no luck.
Despite all the marketing, even from Dr. Beckett, Probstein went 0-31 on his attempt to cross his PSA 10's over to a BGS 10.
Hopefully we get to see images of the grading notes.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CvPsx...BiNWFlZA%3D%3D

[Cardsandcoffee]

Originally Posted by auburn35

For the humor, I was rooting for the stained PSA 10 - 02000290 to cross over, but no luck.
Despite all the marketing, even from Dr. Beckett, Probstein went 0-31 on his attempt to cross his PSA 10's over to a BGS 10.
Hopefully we get to see images of the grading notes.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CvPsx...BiNWFlZA%3D%3D

Completely convinced all of the TPG companies refuse to crossover cards of their competitors at any level of honesty. That’s why you always have to crack them out.

[mc1]

Originally Posted by Cardsandcoffee

Completely convinced all of the TPG companies refuse to crossover cards of their competitors at any level of honesty. That’s why you always have to crack them out.

A PSA 10 isnt an automatic crossover to a BGS 10. A BGS 10 is supposed to be a pristine or “perfect” card.

[Cardsandcoffee]

Originally Posted by mc1

A PSA 10 isnt an automatic crossover to a BGS 10. A BGS 10 is supposed to be a pristine or “perfect” card.

Oh I know. Just musing more on the general nature of crossovers. If Probstein wanted a Pristine he should've cracked them out! Get rid of the competitive bias

[Spacemanspif]

Originally Posted by Cardsandcoffee

Completely convinced all of the TPG companies refuse to crossover cards of their competitors at any level of honesty. That’s why you always have to crack them out.

No you don't, you just have to evaluate and send in the right cards. I've successfully crossed over 18 BGS 9.5s or SGC 10s to PSA 10 without cracking.

[Cardsandcoffee]

Originally Posted by Spacemanspif

No you don't, you just have to evaluate and send in the right cards. I've successfully crossed over 18 BGS 9.5s or SGC 10s to PSA 10 without cracking.

Nice! Well that’s hopeful. I like my eye, feel like I have a nice gem rate with PSA, but my personal crossover attempts without cracking have been unlucky then, both from BGS quad 9.5s and SGC 10 to PSA. Have had way better success taking the risk and cracking, then subbing.

To each their own I suppose!

Now back to 86 Fleer Jordan’s!…

[mc1]

Originally Posted by Cardsandcoffee

Oh I know. Just musing more on the general nature of crossovers. If Probstein wanted a Pristine he should've cracked them out! Get rid of the competitive bias

A BGS 10 is an almost impossible grade for this card. Theres only 6 out of 13524 copies graded by BGS. Even if cracked out out I doubt any of them earn a true 10 and theres a chance they get damaged or dont get a 10 with PSA if graded. Thats a whole lot of money down the drain.

[auburn35]

Originally Posted by mc1

A BGS 10 is an almost impossible grade for this card. Theres only 6 out of 13524 copies graded by BGS. Even if cracked out out I doubt any of them earn a true 10 and theres a chance they get damaged or dont get a 10 with PSA if graded. Thats a whole lot of money down the drain.

There's obviously some bias in the grade review processes and going from BGS (sub grades) to another, certainly adds another element to overcome.
One of the six BGS 10's was allegedly submitted over 25 times before it was crossed. If reversed and truly a blind review (grade unknown), I would be shocked if Beckett (any grader) would have any real consistency.