Vladimir Guerrero, Jr. - Page 183

guru · 01-01-2020, 10:38 PM

Vlad Jr. Buyers heating up, I've sold 3 rookies today

eye4talent · 01-01-2020, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

seems low

A BIN sold yesterday for $525 after sitting for a couple days. The $580 seems healthy—not that I would much prefer the card than the money at this stage.

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ThoseBackPages · 01-01-2020, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by eye4talent

A BIN sold yesterday for $525 after sitting for a couple days. The $580 seems healthy—not that I would much prefer the card than the money at this stage.

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NICE!

Spring Fever will be strong this year

Hondo · 01-01-2020, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Keyser Soze

Damn, a PSA 10 Topps Chrome Sapphire RC just got $580 in auction.

Damn.. I just traded my vlad psa 10 along with an action psa 10 and raw gold update for a Tatis sapphire BGS 9.5 True Gem +... Thoughts?
Had 250$ cash in the vlad sapphire psa 10..

ToppsCollector1 · 01-02-2020, 02:16 AM

Im waiting for update to go on clearance so I can buy a bunch of that and hopefully pull some US1s

Keyser Soze · 01-02-2020, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Hondo

Damn.. I just traded my vlad psa 10 along with an action psa 10 and raw gold update for a Tatis sapphire BGS 9.5 True Gem +... Thoughts?
Had 250$ cash in the vlad sapphire psa 10..

I would not have done it. More room for Vlad to increase substantially. Plus I hate BGS because of their holders.

Keyser Soze · 01-02-2020, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ToppsCollector1

Im waiting for update to go on clearance so I can buy a bunch of that and hopefully pull some US1s

You can buy them on eBay for the cost of a clearance pack.

Yaga · 01-02-2020, 03:27 PM

Anyone think that the Montgomery factory set Vlad is a good sleeper? I don't think a lot of people are opening the factory sets so I doubt there are going to be a lot on the market. Plus the Montgomery program has potential to take off, so it might be a desirable set as a whole down the road.

Triple B · 01-02-2020, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Yaga

Anyone think that the Montgomery factory set Vlad is a good sleeper? I don't think a lot of people are opening the factory sets so I doubt there are going to be a lot on the market. Plus the Montgomery program has potential to take off, so it might be a desirable set as a whole down the road.

I do. I have four of them and I’m looking for more.

Yaga · 01-02-2020, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Triple B

I do. I have four of them and I’m looking for more.

There's only like a handful out there! Not too easy to find!

Lol I have 4 as well but I think I'm done

dream34 · 01-02-2020, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Hondo

Damn.. I just traded my vlad psa 10 along with an action psa 10 and raw gold update for a Tatis sapphire BGS 9.5 True Gem +... Thoughts?
Had 250$ cash in the vlad sapphire psa 10..

I think Vlad has higher Hobby and real life baseball potential. This kid received the highest grades ever for a hitting prospect last year. In early 2018 some even considered him a better prospect than Acuna & Ohtani. If he really is keeping himself in shape this offseason it will be interesting to see what kind of player we get this year, talent is clearly there. Juiced ball or not, he has annual 40 HR potential.

azbaseballfan · 01-02-2020, 04:29 PM

IT’S CALLED FASHION!

Yaga · 01-02-2020, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by azbaseballfan

IT’S CALLED FASHION!

I just went blind

LVDan · 01-02-2020, 04:55 PM

Looks less Fatty
judging by the shirt he's been selling (not eating) burritos at a Widespread Panic show parking lot.
Im excited to see what he(and the rest of the Jays hitters) do this year.

JeHHH · 01-02-2020, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dream34

I think Vlad has higher Hobby and real life baseball potential. This kid received the highest grades ever for a hitting prospect last year. In early 2018 some even considered him a better prospect than Acuna & Ohtani. If he really is keeping himself in shape this offseason it will be interesting to see what kind of player we get this year, talent is clearly there. Juiced ball or not, he has annual 40 HR potential.

Regarding hobby potential - it seems as though collectors really like the 5 tools guys like Acuna, Trout, Yelich, Mookie etc.

Tatis seems to fit the mold as well.

With Vlad, he might have some louder tools but seems to fall short of the 5 tool mix that collectors like to chase. Fielding and run specifically seem to be the two tools that are a bit below average. But for all of the other superstars, they don't have any below average tools (in my opinion).

I guess there is potential for Vlad to still become a 5 tool player though.

scottagibson · 01-02-2020, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JeHHH

Regarding hobby potential - it seems as though collectors really like the 5 tools guys like Acuna, Trout, Yelich, Mookie etc.

Tatis seems to fit the mold as well.

With Vlad, he might have some louder tools but seems to fall short of the 5 tool mix that collectors like to chase. Fielding and run specifically seem to be the two tools that are a bit below average. But for all of the other superstars, they don't have any below average tools (in my opinion).

I guess there is potential for Vlad to still become a 5 tool player though.

So Aaron Judge... just a rare outlier?

JeHHH · 01-02-2020, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by scottagibson

So Aaron Judge... just a rare outlier?

Fair point.

But he's also a Yankee which helps.

LVDan · 01-02-2020, 05:13 PM

Agree Scott-
Massive power+average can trump 5-tool capability if those 2 tools are let's say .315+ and 40HR +

dream34 · 01-02-2020, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JeHHH

Regarding hobby potential - it seems as though collectors really like the 5 tools guys like Acuna, Trout, Yelich, Mookie etc.

Tatis seems to fit the mold as well.

With Vlad, he might have some louder tools but seems to fall short of the 5 tool mix that collectors like to chase. Fielding and run specifically seem to be the two tools that are a bit below average. But for all of the other superstars, they don't have any below average tools (in my opinion).

I guess there is potential for Vlad to still become a 5 tool player though.

I normally buy into this also, as we've seen through history with Mantle, Mays, Griffey, Trout, etc. Vlad will never be a 5 tool player. There are always exceptions though, and I think jaw dropping power has it's place. Just need to go back to July and watch the HR Derby to know that this Kid's power is really unlike anything we've seen before. AND he has a hit tool and plate discipline that is extremely rare with power hitters.

JeHHH · 01-02-2020, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by dream34

I normally buy into this also, as we've seen through history with Mantle, Mays, Griffey, Trout, etc. Vlad will never be a 5 tool player. There are always exceptions though, and I think jaw dropping power has it's place. Just need to go back to July and watch the HR Derby to know that this Kid's power is really unlike anything we've seen before. AND he has a hit tool and plate discipline that is extremely rare with power hitters.

Very true.

scottagibson · 01-02-2020, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by LVDan

Agree Scott-
Massive power+average can trump 5-tool capability if those 2 tools are let's say .315+ and 40HR +

Hey Dan! Much like I hoped Hunter Renfroe would be in San Diego. Hopefully he can really shine in Tampa Bay… Not that there are many spotlights on him now at all.

And I agree... Vladdy 2020 predictions:

44 hr
116 rbi
.291 avg

LVDan · 01-02-2020, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by scottagibson

Hey Dan! Much like I hoped Hunter Renfroe would be in San Diego. Hopefully he can really shine in Tampa Bay… Not that there are many spotlights on him now at all.

And I agree... Vladdy 2020 predictions:

44 hr
116 rbi
.291 avg

I think Renfroe has a big year but not sure anyone will care at this point. His best RCs can now be had for pennies but hard to justify buying tbh. I think I have key RCs of their entire lineup at this point lol.

BeastMode27 · 01-02-2020, 06:10 PM

I think people like 5 tool players early in career, but they can often be fools gold long term. I’ll take the guy that hits .300 with 500 homers over the guy that has 300-350 homers with 150-200 steals. When the speed and defense tier off on the 5 tool guys which usually happens, they better morph into an awesome high contact power hitter or their career numbers just fall short. Trout is turning into that now, but many don’t. A lot of their averages also tumble as they don’t have the speed that got them extra hits early in career.

dream34 · 01-02-2020, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BeastMode27

I think people like 5 tool players early in career, but they can often be fools gold long term. I’ll take the guy that hits .300 with 500 homers over the guy that has 300-350 homers with 150-200 steals. When the speed and defense tier off on the 5 tool guys which usually happens, they better morph into an awesome high contact power hitter or their career numbers just fall short. Trout is turning into that now, but many don’t. A lot of their averages also tumble as they don’t have the speed that got them extra hits early in career.

I think it's more the awe that the great ones create with that athletic ability. Mantle/Mays played well before my time but anyone who did watch them live will tell you about how much of a pleasure it was to see them out there. Same with Griffey & Trout, so many awe inspiring memories. Bo Jackson might have been the greatest at doing this and despite not being in any Pro HOF his cards are still highly sought after. I think Vlad has a very good chance to be the rare hitter to do this also.

BeastMode27 · 01-02-2020, 06:50 PM

I guess my point was how many power/speed guys that started a career after 2000 look like they will be hall of famers? Trout and maybe Mookie. Way too early to say on Acuna. Braun, Mccutchen, Kemp, Upton, Hanley, Wright etc. all fell off. Betts could easily fall off with the lot of them. Will be 27.5 years old to start the season and doesn’t have 140 homers. But he does have a nice 42 war. What if he only puts up another 15-20 war in his career though. Once a lot of power/speed guys get to 30 they start having 1-2 war a year if that. I don’t necessarily consider Harper, Machado, and Arenado power/speed guys. But they still have a HOF shot depending on longevity.

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Yaga Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 7,525	Anyone think that the Montgomery factory set Vlad is a good sleeper? I don't think a lot of people are opening the factory sets so I doubt there are going to be a lot on the market. Plus the Montgomery program has potential to take off, so it might be a desirable set as a whole down the road.

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LVDan Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 17,571	Looks less Fatty judging by the shirt he's been selling (not eating) burritos at a Widespread Panic show parking lot. Im excited to see what he(and the rest of the Jays hitters) do this year.

01-02-2020, 05:13 PM	#4568
LVDan Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 17,571	Agree Scott- Massive power+average can trump 5-tool capability if those 2 tools are let's say .315+ and 40HR +

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BeastMode27 Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,341	I think people like 5 tool players early in career, but they can often be fools gold long term. I’ll take the guy that hits .300 with 500 homers over the guy that has 300-350 homers with 150-200 steals. When the speed and defense tier off on the 5 tool guys which usually happens, they better morph into an awesome high contact power hitter or their career numbers just fall short. Trout is turning into that now, but many don’t. A lot of their averages also tumble as they don’t have the speed that got them extra hits early in career.

01-02-2020, 06:50 PM	#4575
BeastMode27 Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,341	I guess my point was how many power/speed guys that started a career after 2000 look like they will be hall of famers? Trout and maybe Mookie. Way too early to say on Acuna. Braun, Mccutchen, Kemp, Upton, Hanley, Wright etc. all fell off. Betts could easily fall off with the lot of them. Will be 27.5 years old to start the season and doesn’t have 140 homers. But he does have a nice 42 war. What if he only puts up another 15-20 war in his career though. Once a lot of power/speed guys get to 30 they start having 1-2 war a year if that. I don’t necessarily consider Harper, Machado, and Arenado power/speed guys. But they still have a HOF shot depending on longevity.