Brock Purdy the newest QB hype

[christhecpa]

Originally Posted by oplum29

Austin Riley...but you didn't hear it from me.

Austin Riley isn't a manager....

[christhecpa]

Brock Purdy would be the coach that gives Esteury Ruiz the greenlight to steal.

[BBases31]

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Originally Posted by BBases31

You must be yanking my chain here. Adolis Garcia can play til he's 45?

But if you don't know why a 30 year old with 11 career WAR isn't worth much, I'm not sure whether to believe you that you do collect baseball

WAR is a stat for the sabermetrics nerds. i don't care for it and i don't know when it became such a big deal to everybody.

the truth is Garcia wasn't signed until he was 23-years old. he spent two years in the minors, got called up, then went back to the farm system, and was traded to TX (he was now 27 years old), where he blossomed since becoming a Ranger. he was the story of the playoffs for the Rangers, he stole the ALCS, and he was leaving his mark on his Cinderella story after Game 1 of the WS, until he got hurt.

you want stats? how about averaging 32 homeruns and 99 RBIs with only a .246 BA in three seasons on a team that won 60, 68, and 90 games. and then in the postseason, he goes for 8 HRs, 22 RBIs, and a .323 BA in only 15 games, which included an ALCS MVP and a walk off in game 1 of the World Series.

if you don't believe Garcia is a good baseball player, then you obviously either don't know much about the game, or only collect pitchers (which you seem to do according to your previous posts)

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

Probably more expensive because he would have been more speculated / pumped. 7th round selection is helping dampen I would think

It’s a complex psychology, the 7th round selection is making some people more skeptical before jumping in big, but the fact that he wasn’t speculated much early on drives the FOMO mentality and may cause people to pay more than they otherwise would because they “missed him” initially. At least for the short term flip.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by oplum29

100%

and the only reason they haven't really hit that next level, is because he hasn't won the SB....yet

even after Brady won his first SB, his prices didn't take off. you could still buy his SPA and Contenders rookie cards for less than $300...combined.

Many people are still unsure whether or not he will be a good long term (over 5 year) investment.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by christhecpa

Calculating Purdy's WAR would be impossible since he is a replacement level QB, in the most literal sense.

BBases thinking that QBR is some god stat makes so much more sense.

And according to Wikipedia, ESPN has not released the entire formula and it contains over 10,000 lines of code.

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by oplum29

WAR is a stat for the sabermetrics nerds. i don't care for it and i don't know when it became such a big deal to everybody.

the truth is Garcia wasn't signed until he was 23-years old. he spent two years in the minors, got called up, then went back to the farm system, and was traded to TX (he was now 27 years old), where he blossomed since becoming a Ranger. he was the story of the playoffs for the Rangers, he stole the ALCS, and he was leaving his mark on his Cinderella story after Game 1 of the WS, until he got hurt.

you want stats? how about averaging 32 homeruns and 99 RBIs with only a .246 BA in three seasons on a team that won 60, 68, and 90 games. and then in the postseason, he goes for 8 HRs, 22 RBIs, and a .323 BA in only 15 games, which included an ALCS MVP and a walk off in game 1 of the World Series.

if you don't believe Garcia is a good baseball player, then you obviously either don't know much about the game, or only collect pitchers (which you seem to do according to your previous posts)

Alright I'm gonna tap out on this one, it doesn't seem like you collect baseball much if you trying to argue that Adolis' age and WAR shouldn't matter for his card prices. Or that you think he can play until 45. Enjoy bro. Go nuts, buy all his cards for that sweet discount of what everyone else doesn't realize

Exhibit A of football collectors vs baseball right here

[49erRCCollector]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Many people are still unsure whether or not he will be a good long term (over 5 year) investment.

It’s more than that. Guys like Herbert, with all the physical tools in the world, have tumbling prices. I think the post-Mahomes QBs have people wary of going big. There’s real financial danger in general.

[gopowergoh]

Pro Bowl Starter

[hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

It’s more than that. Guys like Herbert, with all the physical tools in the world, have tumbling prices. I think the post-Mahomes QBs have people wary of going big. There’s real financial danger in general.

Nah, every year its the same thing. Chase the next Brady or Mahomes now. Check back after the draft there will be a thread for every QB drafted. Backup, practice squad, no matter. Kyle Trask had multiple threads for crissakes.

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[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

It’s more than that. Guys like Herbert, with all the physical tools in the world, have tumbling prices. I think the post-Mahomes QBs have people wary of going big. There’s real financial danger in general.

How high would Purdy have sold for during the pandemic peak? As much as Herbert?

Purdy’s NT rpa shield recently sold for $186,000, during this period of financial danger. I believe that’s the highest price ever paid for any Purdy. His rpa/99 sells for about $9-15k.

At the peak of the pump, Herbert’s NT rpa shield sold for $1.8 million. His basic NT rpa/99 still sell for about $15k now, down from about $30-$60k depending on patch.

Granted their situations are much different. The Chargers are in big trouble.

[49erRCCollector]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

How high would Purdy have sold for during the pandemic peak? As much as Herbert?

Purdy’s NT rpa shield recently sold for $186,000, during this period of financial danger. I believe that’s the highest price ever paid for any Purdy. His rpa/99 sells for about $9-15k.

At the peak of the pump, Herbert’s NT rpa shield sold for $1.8 million. His basic NT rpa/99 still sell for about $15k now, down from about $30-$60k depending on patch.

Granted their situations are much different. The Chargers are in big trouble.

I’m not sure. Herbert started his career with a bang as a top prospect during the hottest card period in 30 years.

I genuinely don’t know.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

I’m not sure. Herbert started his career with a bang as a top prospect during the hottest card period in 30 years.

I genuinely don’t know.

There's a weird love affair with a few members of the 2020 draft class.

I haven't looked recently, but I'd bet that Burrow and Herbert still outsell soon to be 2x MVP Lamar Jackson.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by tjforce

There's a weird love affair with a few members of the 2020 draft class.

I haven't looked recently, but I'd bet that Burrow and Herbert still outsell soon to be 2x MVP Lamar Jackson.

It’s funny, but Lamar and Purdy sell for about the same price, both for less than Herbert and Burrow even today.

Pedigree without a doubt plays a role, especially for longer term holds. Granted, people don’t like losing their shorts especially when they paid pandemic peak prices for Herbert and Burrow high end cards. They’d be willing to sit on them for longer, presumably, with a higher hope they will actually meet up to their potential at some point in time in the distant future.

[Kingofkings1281]

Originally Posted by tjforce

There's a weird love affair with a few members of the 2020 draft class.

I haven't looked recently, but I'd bet that Burrow and Herbert still outsell soon to be 2x MVP Lamar Jackson.

Burrow still outsells both. I just picked up a Lamar Impeccable rookie for about half of what Burrow goes for.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by Kingofkings1281

Burrow still outsells both. I just picked up a Lamar Impeccable rookie for about half of what Burrow goes for.

I'd say that people are paying premium for the younger QB, but that's not the case here.

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Originally Posted by BBases31

Alright I'm gonna tap out on this one, it doesn't seem like you collect baseball much if you trying to argue that Adolis' age and WAR shouldn't matter for his card prices. Or that you think he can play until 45. Enjoy bro. Go nuts, buy all his cards for that sweet discount of what everyone else doesn't realize

Exhibit A of football collectors vs baseball right here

i think you are getting lost in this whole debate. baseball players have a longer career that football players. guys like Brady, Favre, and Manning playing 15+ years are a rarity, but baseball players playing 15+ years isn't.

hence why most investors went to baseball cards (and basketball). that's what i said.

i also said most of the money in baseball cards was distributed to the top players and prospects (which it is), with some going the good players but not enough, hence the discrepency between MLB and NFL collectors who mostly spent it on QBs.

you then responded that i don't know baseball cards and am not a collector when i've been collecting baseball cards a lot longer than you have.

just because i don't care about stupid stuff like WAR doesn't mean i don't know about baseball.

and believe it or not, i have never bought a single Adolis Garcia card. i merely used him to show that the prices of baseball cards for guys that don't fall under the "superstar" or "highly regarded prospects" don't help out the market for the other players, even playoff heroes and good players like Garcia, hence why his stuff was still cheap despite putting on a show in the ALCS.

if a QB had the kind of cinderella run in the playoffs the way Garcia had, setting playoff records for TD passes or yards, and being named MVP of the Conference Championship round, his card values would jump.

but you didn't see that in baseball.

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Originally Posted by hxcmilkshake

Nah, every year its the same thing. Chase the next Brady or Mahomes now. Check back after the draft there will be a thread for every QB drafted. Backup, practice squad, no matter. Kyle Trask had multiple threads for crissakes.

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yup! Kyle Trask was an offseason buzz, we've all seen that story before. it happened with Jarrett Stidham in NE a few years back as well.

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by oplum29

i think you are getting lost in this whole debate. baseball players have a longer career that football players. guys like Brady, Favre, and Manning playing 15+ years are a rarity, but baseball players playing 15+ years isn't.

hence why most investors went to baseball cards (and basketball). that's what i said.

i also said most of the money in baseball cards was distributed to the top players and prospects (which it is), with some going the good players but not enough, hence the discrepency between MLB and NFL collectors who mostly spent it on QBs.

you then responded that i don't know baseball cards and am not a collector when i've been collecting baseball cards a lot longer than you have.

just because i don't care about stupid stuff like WAR doesn't mean i don't know about baseball.

and believe it or not, i have never bought a single Adolis Garcia card. i merely used him to show that the prices of baseball cards for guys that don't fall under the "superstar" or "highly regarded prospects" don't help out the market for the other players, even playoff heroes and good players like Garcia, hence why his stuff was still cheap despite putting on a show in the ALCS.

if a QB had the kind of cinderella run in the playoffs the way Garcia had, setting playoff records for TD passes or yards, and being named MVP of the Conference Championship round, his card values would jump.

but you didn't see that in baseball.

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Originally Posted by BBases31

i'm a 49ers fan dude, hence, i'm a Purdy fan, you are preaching to the choir here.

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by oplum29

i'm a 49ers fan dude, hence, i'm a Purdy fan, you are preaching to the choir here.

I know. That's just all I've got to say on the baseball topic to a guy saying Adolis Garcia could play til 45

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Originally Posted by BBases31

I know. That's just all I've got to say on the baseball topic to a guy saying Adolis Garcia could play til 45

it's not impossible for Garcia to play until he's 45....i'm not wrong either.

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back to Purdy...

#1 in votes overall! what an accomplishment for pick 262. Congrats to him!

[kyle1707]

He might get Philly Dallas and Baltimore

All rematches.

If he pulls that off. Would be something.

He’s choked a few times. Will be Interesting


They should be healthy with 2 weeks off