2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[Pete Schweddy]

Originally Posted by fungi2510

The lockdown did not bring on the depression. That is a chemical imbalance. The people who abused their spouses and children were already doing it. Suicide has not jumped significantly. These are talking points that are not correct. Nothing backs it up. You just heard something on Facebook and are now going with it. COVID deaths are real.

Here's some articles that the writers must have researched from Facebook.
https://www.massgeneral.org/news/cor...uring-covid-19
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/13/h...h-anxiety.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkel...-and-suicides/
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2020...uring-pandemic

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

On the subject of protests that turned into outright riots, one could argue that 99.9% of the people there were peaceful. All it takes is one idiot. Similar to a sports team winning a title, just takes one moron to get things rolling. Lots of evidence to back up that some of the looting and rioting was instigated on purpose by people with ulterior motives. Plenty of people on the left work normal jobs and keep to themselves. I don't get this concept of the left being any more violent than the right. Both sides of extremists that do some truly awful things. Trying to say your party has the high ground based on, well anything, is ridiculous. We are in hyper-partisan times so the actions of the extremists seems to get much more coverage than anything else.

In terms of the grand scope, yes. That's the issue, with the media, the .1% is what we see.

[kerg]

Originally Posted by fungi2510

The lockdown did not bring on the depression. That is a chemical imbalance.

So my daughter that started to self abuse when this all started and has completely withdrawn socially because she can't interact with her friends or meet new friends at school would have ultimately had this all happen anyways.

Clown post bro.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

So, nothing too scientific.

well, we can certainly do the math in this thread, but so far I've seen one member on the left banned on here (Joan)

The right? At least three or four. I can go back and find all the names but I'm too lazy.

[CoolG]

MARKET is reacting bad to the covid19 TRUMP info.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

On the subject of protests that turned into outright riots, one could argue that 99.9% of the people there were peaceful. All it takes is one idiot. Similar to a sports team winning a title, just takes one moron to get things rolling. Lots of evidence to back up that some of the looting and rioting was instigated on purpose by people with ulterior motives. Plenty of people on the left work normal jobs and keep to themselves. I don't get this concept of the left being any more violent than the right. Both sides of extremists that do some truly awful things. Trying to say your party has the high ground based on, well anything, is ridiculous. We are in hyper-partisan times so the actions of the extremists seems to get much more coverage than anything else.

Those aren't "extremists" we see doing the looting and rioting. Those are the people who live in that community. And before you tell me that they are sick and tired of being beaten down, I don't see how running out of Target with boxes of sneakers is getting your point across.

Since this specific topic started with the claim that "righties" will have a meltdown, I ask again: when was the last conservative demonstration that resulted in looting and burning?

[Hootiefish]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

That's a real quote from Hootie? He thinks that "states rights" was a racist Reagan thing?

Oh, that was most certainly a racist dog whistle. He went to a rural Mississippi county fair, an area known mostly for the Mississippi Burning murders of 16 years prior.

You don't go to the Deep South and say "states' rights" and not invoke the imagery of the Jim Crow era. He made that speech with a wink and a nod to the racist Deep South, and it worked.

It was such a big deal at the time it got its own Wiki entry:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagan...ghts%22_speech

[NeedChapmans]

The 10 states w/ the highest unemployment rate in the country are...

Pennsylvania
New Jersey
New York
Illinois
Massachusetts
New Mexico
California
Hawaii
Rhode Island
Nevada

They're also the states w/ the highest amount of "lockdown" measures AND the states with the highest death rates. So what is it the lockdowns bought them? What is mandatory masks in public worth here?

What good came from the leadership of these states?

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

The 10 states w/ the highest unemployment rate in the country are...

Pennsylvania
New Jersey
New York
Illinois
Massachusetts
New Mexico
California
Hawaii
Rhode Island
Nevada

They're also the states w/ the highest amount of "lockdown" measures AND the states with the highest death rates. So what is it the lockdowns bought them? What is mandatory masks in public worth here?

What good came from the leadership of these states?

Dang it Massachusetts, almost had a clean sweep of Democratic states.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

well, we can certainly do the math in this thread, but so far I've seen one member on the left banned on here (Joan)

The right? At least three or four. I can go back and find all the names but I'm too lazy.

Well, the point was that "people banned on Blowout" doesn't correlate with anything, especially when bannings are subjective. I'm insulted here on a daily basis by people who don't and won't get banned.

[bradical]

Originally Posted by cnewby

speaking of moving the goalposts.

Not moving goalposts at all. I believe all along we have been saying the deaths are inevitable. Slowing/stopping the infection rate has been more important, but for a variety of reasons, everything from hospitals to the radical spread to the unknown lasting effects.

At least from my point of view.

[Jgil316]

I have read the last many pages - wow.

Let's try and get back to some basis of reality and stop projecting and what if-ing.

Fact: This administration downplayed the virus
Fact: This administration downplayed the wearing of masks (they like to blame Fauci - when the statement he made had more to it)
Fact: This administration still held rallies, knowing how the virus was spread


The positive test is a bad thing for this administration. They have down-played it, flouted guidelines, cast doubt on science and vilified experts. I have said since day one - this virus is no joke. Now, the leader of the free world (who believed this to be a partisan hoax) has tested positive.
We still have Trump supporters on this board that believe that you only way you know you have the virus - is to be tested! We have others believe it is no worse than the flu and we also have others believe that it is no big deal = because it has not impacted them, personally.

Please take this seriously - be safe and take precautions!

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by fungi2510

The lockdown did not bring on the depression. That is a chemical imbalance. The people who abused their spouses and children were already doing it. Suicide has not jumped significantly. These are talking points that are not correct. Nothing backs it up. You just heard something on Facebook and are now going with it. COVID deaths are real.

Don't agree.


The lockdown might not have caused the initial depression, but for those already suffering from depression, The isolation could certainly trigger a depressive crisis/event.




In regards to your second statement, I think the numbers are pending.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

Well, the point was that "people banned on Blowout" doesn't correlate with anything, especially when bannings are subjective. I'm insulted here on a daily basis by people who don't and won't get banned.

I'm just saying the right here keeps calling the left crazy/triggered/TDS/loonies, etc...but it's more members on the right that get banned.



I consider myself republican. Just calling it as I see it.

[Pete Schweddy]

Originally Posted by kerg

So my daughter that started to self abuse when this all started and has completely withdrawn socially because she can't interact with her friends or meet new friends at school would have ultimately had this all happen anyways.

Clown post bro.

Sorry to hear that. My 8 year old has become an emotional mess lately, not doing well with distance learning, and missing playing with friends. Add in the fact we've pretty much been surrounded by wildfires the last month, which makes doing anything outside nearly impossible due to air quality.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

I have read the last many pages - wow.

Let's try and get back to some basis of reality and stop projecting and what if-ing.

Fact: This administration downplayed the virus
Fact: This administration downplayed the wearing of masks (they like to blame Fauci - when the statement he made had more to it)
Fact: This administration still held rallies, knowing how the virus was spread


The positive test is a bad thing for this administration. They have down-played it, flouted guidelines, cast doubt on science and vilified experts. I have said since day one - this virus is no joke. Now, the leader of the free world (who believed this to be a partisan hoax) has tested positive.
We still have Trump supporters on this board that believe that you only way you know you have the virus - is to be tested! We have others believe it is no worse than the flu and we also have others believe that it is no big deal = because it has not impacted them, personally.

Please take this seriously - be safe and take precautions!

I'm sorry, but what happened today to ring the alarm bells? Trump tested positive? How are you going to react in two weeks when he is fine and never had any symptoms, like so many other positive cases?

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

The 10 states w/ the highest unemployment rate in the country are...

Pennsylvania
New Jersey
New York
Illinois
Massachusetts
New Mexico
California
Hawaii
Rhode Island
Nevada

They're also the states w/ the highest amount of "lockdown" measures AND the states with the highest death rates. So what is it the lockdowns bought them? What is mandatory masks in public worth here?

What good came from the leadership of these states?

Hawaii, Nevada, California, New Mexico are in the top death rates by State? We know the story in the Northeast. The virus hit there early, they did not protect the elderly well, there was limited testing capacity and PPE. As they moved to mask mandates and lockdowns the virus slowed and they have been able to reopen a majority of the economy and the loss of life has dropped significantly. In many cases the Leaders of those States are highly supported by the people of their State.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

I'm just saying the right here keeps calling the left crazy/triggered/TDS/loonies, etc...but it's more members on the right that get banned.



I consider myself republican. Just calling it as I see it.

For the third time, getting banned on Blowout doesn't make someone crazy, triggered, or a loon. It's a subjective process.

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

I'm sorry, but what happened today to ring the alarm bells? Trump tested positive? How are you going to react in two weeks when he is fine and never had any symptoms, like so many other positive cases?

14 DaYs......LoNg TeRm EfFeCtS!!!

[Jgil316]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

I'm sorry, but what happened today to ring the alarm bells? Trump tested positive? How are you going to react in two weeks when he is fine and never had any symptoms, like so many other positive cases?

Honestly - I hope he is ok in 2 weeks.

Regardless of his outcome - this virus is real and impacts people differently.

I wish this administration had taken this more seriously - that's all I wanted (I know, wishful thinking)

[fungi2510]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

I'm sorry, but what happened today to ring the alarm bells? Trump tested positive? How are you going to react in two weeks when he is fine and never had any symptoms, like so many other positive cases?

He already has symptoms. WH says they are mild, but we know how that goes.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

I have read the last many pages - wow.

Let's try and get back to some basis of reality and stop projecting and what if-ing.

Fact: This administration downplayed the virus
Fact: This administration downplayed the wearing of masks (they like to blame Fauci - when the statement he made had more to it)
Fact: This administration still held rallies, knowing how the virus was spread


The positive test is a bad thing for this administration. They have down-played it, flouted guidelines, cast doubt on science and vilified experts. I have said since day one - this virus is no joke. Now, the leader of the free world (who believed this to be a partisan hoax) has tested positive.
We still have Trump supporters on this board that believe that you only way you know you have the virus - is to be tested! We have others believe it is no worse than the flu and we also have others believe that it is no big deal = because it has not impacted them, personally.

Please take this seriously - be safe and take precautions!

Fact: Democrats downplayed the virus, as well
Fact: Democratic states have done worse with harsher lockdowns
Fact: Everything you said is also pretty close to accurate

Yes, a lot of people will never know they have the virus, unless they get tested. Yes, this is a political hoax. Yes, symptoms go from nothing to death. It's a virus, they all do that.

[kerg]

Originally Posted by Pete Schweddy

Sorry to hear that. My 8 year old has become an emotional mess lately, not doing well with distance learning, and missing playing with friends. Add in the fact we've pretty much been surrounded by wildfires the last month, which makes doing anything outside nearly impossible due to air quality.

Thanks.

It is impacting my 4 year old in some slight ways also, but he is young so I'm hoping it isn't long term for him. For my daughter it is going to be a long struggle and the longer it goes on, I fear the emotional/social damage will be extremely long term. In discussions with counsellors/teachers/parents, I know we aren't alone and it is being played out in various ways in homes throughout the country.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by fungi2510

He already has symptoms. WH says they are mild, but we know how that goes.

If I have diarrhea, that is a symptom. If I eat taco bell, I have diarrhea.

The symptoms could be as simple as a slight cough, or diarrhea (he does like his morning growler tweets on the toilet!)

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by fungi2510

He already has symptoms. WH says they are mild, but we know how that goes.

I worded that poorly. If he ends up having a cough for two days and nothing else - doesn't end up on a ventilator - there is not a negative effect for Trump.