WWE Discussion thread- Raw/SD/PPV

[Jaypers]

I'm reading this year War Games will be 4 on 4 instead of 5.

Which means, unfortunately, we'll likely see Sami team with Roman and the Usos again. He was kicked out already, so I can only assume he's being brought back for comic relief (i.e. "feeling Usey").

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by Jaypers

I'm reading this year War Games will be 4 on 4 instead of 5.

Which means, unfortunately, we'll likely see Sami team with Roman and the Usos again. He was kicked out already, so I can only assume he's being brought back for comic relief (i.e. "feeling Usey").

Was Sami kicked out? He hit Roman with a chair, also Jey walked out on them too. He's being brought back because it makes logical story sense.

[jmarascojr]

Originally Posted by packman80

Be something were Bo Dallas used to follow the Miz and now the Miz follows him.

They already taped tonight's Raw and the W6 wanting Miz has to do with Bo's time with the Miz, not how he treated R Truth...

I can't see him becoming an actual member of the group though...

With War Games, I'd almost prefer they just put everyone in at the beginning and just let it go.
The fact that the match "doesn't start" until everyone is in there means you're literally sitting there watching for 20-30 minutes knowing the match won't end....

[ThatGuyPal]

I guess Grace is just in NXT now since TNA realized they should prob wait until his contract ends to let Hendry be on NXT full-time lol basically set something up wit Zaria by having her spear her on accident.

I didn't mind the ECW stuff, Francine and Dawn Marie looked great, Rhyno doesn't age, RVD, Dudley Reunion, they picked people who still look good which was smart as you weren't distracted thinking what happened or feeling bad. One thing I noticed, WWE has always had teams enter in terms of how they kind of see/rank them, for example if Roman was teaming with LA Knight and Sami it woul prob be Sami first, then LA Knight than Roman entering. Last night for the main event of the new girls, Stephanie came out first, than Zaria and Giulia was the last entrance period. I think that shows Giulia is likely the one of the new three currently in WWE's mind and prob who beats Roxanne, I worry about Stephanie a abit as she hasn't really gotten a real angle yet and it feels after Giulia they are really gonna go hard on Zaria, she pinned Roxanne last night.

[JustinVerlander07]

Bloodline stuff continues to deliver. Now having Roman and Jimmy be tweeners because of Sami. Just excellent storytelling.

[packman80]

So reports Lance Anoa'l signed with WWE. So will WWE add him to Solo's bloodline before War Games so Roman then gets Rock to join his team were at War Games Rock turns on Roman setting up. Rock vs Roman at WM?

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by packman80

So reports Lance Anoa'l signed with WWE. So will WWE add him to Solo's bloodline before War Games so Roman then gets Rock to join his team were at War Games Rock turns on Roman setting up. Rock vs Roman at WM?

Wouldn't make sense for Rock to join them. He's a heel.

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Absolute cinema tonight. Absolutely fantastic. So excited for wargames.

[thenightman]

That episode of Smackdown was basically the romanticized version of the Attitude era I have in my head.

[packman80]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Wouldn't make sense for Rock to join them. He's a heel.

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Absolute cinema tonight. Absolutely fantastic. So excited for wargames.

Make it that the Rock still acknowledges Roman as his TC and then at War Games he turns on him and at end Solo gives Ula Fala to the Rock and acknowledges the Rock as the TC.

[packman80]

So with a United States women's title on Smackdown guessing now on Raw we see a women's IC title introduced.

[mtr]

The Bloodline stuff continues to be the highlight of every week. I like that Sami finally called out that Roman hasn't really changed and needs to apologize and make amends with the rest of the crew before they can really unite. I'm assuming that Heyman is going to return soon and get everyone on the same page.

Also nice to see the tag divisions getting some love lately. Getting the Smackdown belts away from the Bloodline storyline was a great move.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by packman80

So with a United States women's title on Smackdown guessing now on Raw we see a women's IC title introduced.

Makes zero sense. The divisions are so shallow already. They have no need for secondary titles.

[packman80]

So if Miz is gone for a while more they should have Maryse show up one day to ask why no one is doing anything to find him. Then have some heel wrestler hit on her saying hey well if you need anyone to comfort you here is my number LOL

[Cracktoast]

As we get closer to Netflix upon looking for more info it seems there will be no other offering for Raw but to watch it live. If that is the case WWE is really missing a big opportunity by making people choose to watch RAW on Netflix or their other favorite shows on live tv. Let's face it a large portion of viewers channel flip during commercials or boring parts of the show. Now they make it harder to do that because you would have to load and reload Netflix every time you want to flip. Which might work for a while but eventually I see people choosing several live shows they can flip between with ease rather than be stuck watching the same thing 3 hrs straight.

[packman80]

Originally Posted by Cracktoast

As we get closer to Netflix upon looking for more info it seems there will be no other offering for Raw but to watch it live. If that is the case WWE is really missing a big opportunity by making people choose to watch RAW on Netflix or their other favorite shows on live tv. Let's face it a large portion of viewers channel flip during commercials or boring parts of the show. Now they make it harder to do that because you would have to load and reload Netflix every time you want to flip. Which might work for a while but eventually I see people choosing several live shows they can flip between with ease rather than be stuck watching the same thing 3 hrs straight.

Netflix also pushing to get all the top stars on RAW. I highly doubt NBC will agree to take the garbage Netflix does not want to their ratings suck. WWE probably does not even want that knowing it hurts the product to load up all the stars on one brand.

[whitmm]

Saw an interesting name for the OG's 5th. CM Punk. He's never had a run in with them, due to not being in the company. And The Shield was created to be Punk's hired guns. Plus, there's the Heyman connection.

[packman80]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Saw an interesting name for the OG's 5th. CM Punk. He's never had a run in with them, due to not being in the company. And The Shield was created to be Punk's hired guns. Plus, there's the Heyman connection.

I still say it's Rock who turns on Roman during the match as I still think Lance Anoa'l will be the 5th for Solo's team.

[packman80]

Miz kidnapped by the Wyatt's saying they did not care about Final Testament. Just to let him go and now feud with them. This is making no sense at all with the random stuff they are doing.

[JustinVerlander07]

One of the worst RAWs in recent memory. Just not a lot of good on the show.

Also, hopefully a draft split (or no draft at all) is coming since everyone is going on both shows still anyway.

[Cracktoast]

I'm interested to see where they go with The Judgement Day story. Clearly Dom is likely going to be turning face with Balor turning on him at some point. My guess is Liv Morgan loses to Rhea when she comes back and Dom get's blamed for it.

As far as Wargames goes my guess is we find out who Solo's 5th member is first as they destroy the OG Bloodline and as in the past it's likely we don't find out the OG Bloodline's 5th member until the night of.

[Cracktoast]

Spoilers are up for next weeks Raw as they did a double taping last night. Looks like we've got another Wargames match potentially for the Women's side.

[DrZman]

Originally Posted by Cracktoast

Spoilers are up for next weeks Raw as they did a double taping last night. Looks like we've got another Wargames match potentially for the Women's side.

I don't get saving the big return for a taped ep of Raw where everyone's gonna know it's coming. Also anyone else feel like making the war games match 5 on 5 instead of 4 on 4 is kind of subtraction by addition? The story is already pretty fleshed out with these 8 guys, making them all now scramble for a 5th not only takes away focus from their story but kind of makes them all look a little lamer for no one wanting to team with them. Just seems unnecessary.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by Cracktoast

Spoilers are up for next weeks Raw as they did a double taping last night. Looks like we've got another Wargames match potentially for the Women's side.

Watching the actual show last night, I knew they were giving the preview of the women's wargames match up.

There's a couple things I don't like about it. Iyo Sky is the member of a stable. It's weird that she's continuing to have these solo feuds.

The second is Rhea comes back and magically has a team? Naomi and Jade have never had interactions with Rhea and they join? Iyo and Rhea just feuded a year ago and Iyo joins? She comes back and instantly gets a team, yet they play this game with Roman where he has to apologize to everyone and he's treated like some weakling that needs help?

[Jaypers]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Watching the actual show last night, I knew they were giving the preview of the women's wargames match up.

There's a couple things I don't like about it. Iyo Sky is the member of a stable. It's weird that she's continuing to have these solo feuds.

The second is Rhea comes back and magically has a team? Naomi and Jade have never had interactions with Rhea and they join? Iyo and Rhea just feuded a year ago and Iyo joins? She comes back and instantly gets a team, yet they play this game with Roman where he has to apologize to everyone and he's treated like some weakling that needs help?

Thanks for the spoilers.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by DrZman

I don't get saving the big return for a taped ep of Raw where everyone's gonna know it's coming. Also anyone else feel like making the war games match 5 on 5 instead of 4 on 4 is kind of subtraction by addition? The story is already pretty fleshed out with these 8 guys, making them all now scramble for a 5th not only takes away focus from their story but kind of makes them all look a little lamer for no one wanting to team with them. Just seems unnecessary.

Sending Roman on this Ebenezer Scrooge journey is honestly a little ridiculous. And the idea that he's weaker than Solo and the stooges is laughable. If they want to play up that Jacob is on the same level, fine, but don't do it hiding behind Solo.

Roman's team needs to win Wargames. Since everybody is saying Jey needs to continue his solo run, and Sami won't be staying either, it makes zero sense for 2.0 to win and continue that story. Roman doesn't need a Cody-esque 2 year build up to "finish his story." Have him get his ula fala back, let Jey and Sami go their own ways. Let Jacob turn on Solo, as "losing has consequences."

And Roman is still same old heel Roman, he just looks like the face because 2.0 are bigger heels right now. Roman hasn't changed, he's shown no remorse. He hasn't apologized to Jey for how he treated him. He didn't apologize to Sami. He really hasn't asked for help. And Sami being quick to join, after telling Jey to not do it and Roman not doing what he asked, makes very little sense. But here's Sami being the go getter, trying to find the 5th. The overall story is a great storyline, but this wargames portion has been completely fumbled.