WWE Discussion thread- Raw/SD/PPV

[Jericho]

Im not sure who times out NXT but they havent done the best job lately. Roxanne/Bayley just start getting into and it goes off. Which sucks because that was the best thing on the show.

[cdub6238]

Originally Posted by Gurds

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I guess TNA is glad to take ANY exposure at this point, but so far it has been even worse than the AEW relationship.

What "big names" have appeared for TNA?? While TNA let them use...and basically lose both big stars to WWE...in Hendry and Grace

Yes, he beat everyone he faced, but at least AEW lent them Kenny Omega for their shows...

[ThatGuyPal]

So this is their modern-day ECW relationship but just out in the open. Basically becomes another development program for WWE and once the stars get big enough they go over there. WWE even used to send jobbers to ECW too like Brakus and Furnas and Lafon like they do now to TNA lmao

[packman80]

Originally Posted by ThatGuyPal

So this is their modern-day ECW relationship but just out in the open. Basically becomes another development program for WWE and once the stars get big enough they go over there. WWE even used to send jobbers to ECW too like Brakus and Furnas and Lafon like they do now to TNA lmao

Still works WWE helps fund them to keep them from going under. Only so much TV you can hand out so you got a young talent you want to get on TV see if they can get over can send them to TNA instead of trying to squeeze them on NXT into a slot.

This is what Tony failed to do in AEW. He never took ROH and turned it into the AEW developmental brand like he should have.

[ThatGuyPal]

How did that work out for ECW in the end? lol WWE will just poach talent and then when none are left they want or anyone wants to watch on tv for that matter it will be the final nail in the coffin for TNA to finally die. They haven't needed WWE help the eight times I've heard they are going under before I doubt it was a life or death situation now.

I don't care, I don't watch TNA so I can see the best talent like Jordynne and Hendry on shows I see, it's just stupid for TNA same as it was for Heyman when WWE took Dudleys and Taz right when they went on TNN, two of their biggest draws and champions.

I agree on ROH, the two champs are ex-WWE wrestlers even though Athena has been great instead of giving someone new these establishing title reigns and people like Billie Starkz haven't gotten enough cross-promotion when in reality if she debuted on AEW she should get a huge reaction but won't. Only difference is it's never the same when the same person owns both companies, look at brand-splits, it's easier to get development from an outside source which is why WWE even started that new program where they work with indy promotions. If WWE owned TNA I don't think it works the same.

[natbornkiller]

Originally Posted by jaypers

i'd like to know why raw and smackdown are excluded from this agreement.

cause tna is like double aa ball these days

[Cracktoast]

So Charlotte is coming back as a snobby rich playgirl type character ? Basically a female version of the 80's version of her dad which she fought so hard to not be compared to because she wanted to make it on her own.

I mean at 38 and with her injury history does she even have another WM in her much less a lengthy title run ? I just feel the fans have long been over her and could care less.

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by Cracktoast

So Charlotte is coming back as a snobby rich playgirl type character ? Basically a female version of the 80's version of her dad which she fought so hard to not be compared to because she wanted to make it on her own.

I mean at 38 and with her injury history does she even have another WM in her much less a lengthy title run ? I just feel the fans have long been over her and could care less.

Holy crap, she's 38?????

[DrZman]

Originally Posted by thenightman

Holy crap, she's 38?????

To be fair she has the face of a 50 year old at this point. But in all seriousness I'm glad to see her back. No reason to think she couldn't continue to perform at a high level for another 2-3 years at least. Her in ring style isn't all that taxing on the body she just needs to completely remove the moonsault to the outside where she lands on her feet over rotating every time.

[JustinVerlander07]

Not a fan of Charlotte at all. Couldn't even notice she had been gone (how long has it been anyway?). She'll do what she does best, though. Hog the main event scene up. Hopefully she comes back as a heel though because she has zero ability to even pretend to be a face.

[Cracktoast]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Not a fan of Charlotte at all. Couldn't even notice she had been gone (how long has it been anyway?). She'll do what she does best, though. Hog the main event scene up. Hopefully she comes back as a heel though because she has zero ability to even pretend to be a face.

December 2023 was her last match so just over a year


Most of her issues have been tits and teeth aka self inflicted cosmetic procedures


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2018- Breast Implant Complications (Implants exploded, silicone poisoning)

2020- Breast Implant Challenges (Dealing with aftermath of a previous incident)

2022- Dental Problems

2023- Knee Injury

[mwsportsart]

Originally Posted by Cracktoast

So Charlotte is coming back as a snobby rich playgirl type character ? Basically a female version of the 80's version of her dad which she fought so hard to not be compared to because she wanted to make it on her own.

I mean at 38 and with her injury history does she even have another WM in her much less a lengthy title run ? I just feel the fans have long been over her and could care less.

Nothing wrong with putting the title on her again, but she can be used as a transitional champ who doesn't hold it long. It's just a numbers game for her anyway.

WWE needs to restore the feeling that a major belt can change hands quickly.

[Jericho]

Thrilled Charlotte is coming back, but I really wish they would have just had her be a surprise return at the Rumble. And hopefully she wins the Rumble and we get Charlotte/Tiffany at Mania.

Bayley/Tiffany was a good match and glad they had Roxanne in the crowd to continue that.

Zero interest in the Sikoa stuff.

Owens continues to be awesome at everything he's doing.

[jmarascojr]

I wouldn’t be shocked if the WWE has Flair pick up a couple more reigns so she has more than her dad and then do the same with Cena…

They seem pretty determined to put “records” on current talent so they don’t have to bring up the Flair’s and Hogan’s and Demolition’s anymore.

Either due to bad relationships with the talent or how the older wrestlers handle themselves in public these days…

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by jmarascojr

I wouldn’t be shocked if the WWE has Flair pick up a couple more reigns so she has more than her dad and then do the same with Cena…

They seem pretty determined to put “records” on current talent so they don’t have to bring up the Flair’s and Hogan’s and Demolition’s anymore.

Either due to bad relationships with the talent or how the older wrestlers handle themselves in public these days…

It’s not really either of those things. It’s scripted sports. In real sports, old records are broken, so it should be no different in WWE. Furthermore, people compare the present with the past. How good could the current product really be of every old record is unbreakable?

[packman80]

Originally Posted by Jericho

Thrilled Charlotte is coming back, but I really wish they would have just had her be a surprise return at the Rumble. And hopefully she wins the Rumble and we get Charlotte/Tiffany at Mania.

Bayley/Tiffany was a good match and glad they had Roxanne in the crowd to continue that.

Zero interest in the Sikoa stuff.

Owens continues to be awesome at everything he's doing.

Sad thing is even though Straton should win at WM we all know Flair is not booked to lose. She wins way more then she deserves all because of her last name. How Flair is booked she probably will have over 20 reigns to her name and be called the most decorated WWE champion ever.

[packman80]

Originally Posted by mwsportsart

Nothing wrong with putting the title on her again, but she can be used as a transitional champ who doesn't hold it long. It's just a numbers game for her anyway.

WWE needs to restore the feeling that a major belt can change hands quickly.

Do you really think they would brin her back have her win the title just to drop it right away? I see no way that happens and she gets to carry it for months on end.

[Jericho]

Originally Posted by packman80

Sad thing is even though Straton should win at WM we all know Flair is not booked to lose. She wins way more then she deserves all because of her last name. How Flair is booked she probably will have over 20 reigns to her name and be called the most decorated WWE champion ever.

Im fine with Charlotte winning. I dont think the women should beat Charlotte on their first try, she's like the final boss for them. And as I said, she puts on the best matches with everyone. Charlotte/Rhea was amazing, and Rhea hasn't had anyone else on the roster push her like Charlotte.

As far as Charlotte's reigns, She hasn't had any reign as long as Becky's or Bayley's longest reign. Hell most of her reigns were probably less than 100 days.

[packman80]

So some NXT people show up at TNA PPV. Would like if WWE sent some of their midcard talent that has nothing going on to TNA. Send Miz down to fight Hendry for the TNA title get a win or two over the Miz getting a bigger name talent down there. Get someone like Carmelo or Strowman down to face Moose for the X division title. Once Styles is back send him to TNA let him win the TNA title and have one last run as TNA champ. None of these guys have anything going on in the WWE right now but can help TNA get some names on there to help the TV ratings if you promote it.

[cdub6238]

Originally Posted by packman80

So some NXT people show up at TNA PPV. Would like if WWE sent some of their midcard talent that has nothing going on to TNA. Send Miz down to fight Hendry for the TNA title get a win or two over the Miz getting a bigger name talent down there. Get someone like Carmelo or Strowman down to face Moose for the X division title. Once Styles is back send him to TNA let him win the TNA title and have one last run as TNA champ. None of these guys have anything going on in the WWE right now but can help TNA get some names on there to help the TV ratings if you promote it.

See my post above...

Everyone wad crying and complaining that AEW was just "using and abusing" TNA when they did it...at least they sent Kenny Omega

Who has WWE sent? Nobody but "fringe" NXT people that nobody knows...yet WWE gets their stars with Hendry and Grace

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by packman80

So some NXT people show up at TNA PPV. Would like if WWE sent some of their midcard talent that has nothing going on to TNA. Send Miz down to fight Hendry for the TNA title get a win or two over the Miz getting a bigger name talent down there. Get someone like Carmelo or Strowman down to face Moose for the X division title. Once Styles is back send him to TNA let him win the TNA title and have one last run as TNA champ. None of these guys have anything going on in the WWE right now but can help TNA get some names on there to help the TV ratings if you promote it.

WWE has nothing to gain sending guys like Miz or Carmelo Hayes (or really any non NXT guy) to lose to guys from a far inferior company. WWE's gain is potentially getting guys they like from TNA eventually (Joe Hendry). TNA's gain is exposure of talent.

[Jericho]

Originally Posted by cdub6238

See my post above...

Everyone wad crying and complaining that AEW was just "using and abusing" TNA when they did it...at least they sent Kenny Omega

Who has WWE sent? Nobody but "fringe" NXT people that nobody knows...yet WWE gets their stars with Hendry and Grace

WWE isn't taking their World Title though. And Im a huge Omega fan, but it was total crap that Omega lost the TNA Title to Christian so Christian could drop it to a TNA guy. That was probably TK though so Im not blaming Kenny for that.

And "fringe" NXT guys? The NXT Tag champs were there last night. And by all accounts Nathan Frazer & Axiom have been the best tag team of the last year, so calling them fringe is laughable. Dempsey has been there a few times, and he is regularly on NXT TV as well, same thing with Cora Jade.

[cdub6238]

Originally Posted by Jericho

WWE isn't taking their World Title though. And Im a huge Omega fan, but it was total crap that Omega lost the TNA Title to Christian so Christian could drop it to a TNA guy. That was probably TK though so Im not blaming Kenny for that.

And "fringe" NXT guys? The NXT Tag champs were there last night. And by all accounts Nathan Frazer & Axiom have been the best tag team of the last year, so calling them fringe is laughable. Dempsey has been there a few times, and he is regularly on NXT TV as well, same thing with Cora Jade.

Large wall of text...

Understable point about the belt thing...but..Kenny Omega was a top star for AEW; even Sammy Guevara, not necessarily a top star, had plans for a run

And yes..fringe NXT talent...maybe I'm mistaken, but has Tony D, Oba Femi, Ethan Page (although he came from TNA anyways), Trick, Roxanne, Giulia, Vaquer...made appearances? I get it, it "just started", but hey..they got an Ashonte the Adonis match! And an "appearance" from the NXT Tag champs!

I like the idea that was mentioned..IF they really wanted to "help" TNA, but..they don't. As mentioned, is just a talent broach when all is said and done

[packman80]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

WWE has nothing to gain sending guys like Miz or Carmelo Hayes (or really any non NXT guy) to lose to guys from a far inferior company. WWE's gain is potentially getting guys they like from TNA eventually (Joe Hendry). TNA's gain is exposure of talent.

But if you want to build those people up if you plan to bring them to WWE at some point would it not be smart to have them look strong against some WWE talent?

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by packman80

But if you want to build those people up if you plan to bring them to WWE at some point would it not be smart to have them look strong against some WWE talent?

If you look at what they did with a guy like Penta last week, it doesn't feel necessary. I suppose you could, but there is zero benefit for WWE to do so.