2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[Alvarez09]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

It's quite difficult to become a citizen of a prospering European country unless....you have money to relocate.

Are you wealthy? If not, I don't see why you're so adamant about defending the interests of the 0.1%

Like I said, you have to hand it to the republicans just how well they have brainwashed middle class voters to vote against their own interests.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

Learning all sorts of amazing stuff in here. Capitalism is great but you shouldn't spend money. You can easily live on 10 dollars an hour. Department managers at Walmart make 6 figures. Hard work guarantees financial success, and if you are struggling financially you are just lazy and need to work harder. Family HC doesn't cost 500-1000 dollars a month. Poor people shouldn't have kids!

What address do you want your yellow and black polo shipped to?

It will be sent via USPS as to gum up the system and lose ballets.

[Alvarez09]

Originally Posted by lionsfan20

Obviously I don't lol. Catch up man. Alverez stated the rich should absolutely pay up to 50% taxes to pay for poor impoverished people of this nation. I pointed out that system is already in place in many european countries and they would be glad to have him. All caught up now?

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I'll also ask you this again. Why are social programs that you utilize ok? In my experience republicans are fine taking advantage of things like roads, schools, public services, and other things that are subsidized by the government but as soon as someone else gets something they don't they blow a gasket. If you want to go this route, go all in...don't use any government funded services.

Oh, NEVER go on the interstate highway system as that is the ultimate example of socialism in this country.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by mike1498

Just curious, if Trump's name calling is divisive, why do you do it? Like you constantly make nonsense posts that add no merit, but when trump does the same he's the bad orange man.

What is Trump's screen name here?

What name-calling on my part are you referring to?

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by lionsfan20

Nice try. I personally know people of all colors that have way too many children while living paycheck to paycheck. My statements have nothing to do with race. We have trailer parks full of white families you could use as an example in my city along with brown and black neighborhoods with many folks that made the same choices. Absolutely nothing to do with race. In fact here in Nebraska I would venture to guess we have more poor white families than any other race.

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Nebraska is like 88% white. So you’re probably right.

[Alvarez09]

Originally Posted by lionsfan20

Nice try. I personally know people of all colors that have way too many children while living paycheck to paycheck. My statements have nothing to do with race. We have trailer parks full of white families you could use as an example in my city along with brown and black neighborhoods with many folks that made the same choices. Absolutely nothing to do with race. In fact here in Nebraska I would venture to guess we have more poor white families than any other race.

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So leave race out of it. Poor people should not have kids? Is that what you are saying? It is pretty awful either way.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

So leave race out of it. Poor people should not have kids? Is that what you are saying? It is pretty awful either way.

If it wasn’t for poor folks having kids we wouldn’t have rags to riches stories like Trump’s.

[Clark]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

It's quite difficult to become a citizen of a prospering European country unless....you have money to relocate.

Are you wealthy? If not, I don't see why you're so adamant about defending the interests of the 0.1%

No it's not. Take a plane to Libya. Pay a smuggler for a seat in a dingy and head to Spain or Italy.

Once there, claim asylum. While you will placed in a camp, no one will stop you from picking the European country you wish to reside. Take off in the middle of the night and head to your utopia.

[Alvarez09]

Originally Posted by Clark

It really depends on the industry. Since we are discussing manufacturing I can share some insight on the auto industry, which I know.

Companies generally do not like to disclose their cost structures. However, most auto analysts agree that labour costs per final cost of a vehicle are around 10-15%.

The general belief is that no manufacturing company should have labour costs that exceed 30% of the final cost of a product, regardless of what they make.

While I agree that there are some products that consumer demand makes it financially impossible to compete with China, it is not absolute that Canada or America can't compete.

Simply put, paying more in general cuts into a bottom line that is already making a company a ton of money.

[Alvarez09]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

I can’t find his 50% taxes post. Which post number is it?

Trying to catch up.

There isn't one. He must be one of those elusive Nebraska Multimillionaires.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

There isn't one. He must be one of those elusive Nebraska Multimillionaires.

Oh, so it was hyperbole.

Typical Republican corn fed hyperbole.

[Lonewolf]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

I'll also ask you this again. Why are social programs that you utilize ok? In my experience republicans are fine taking advantage of things like roads, schools, public services, and other things that are subsidized by the government but as soon as someone else gets something they don't they blow a gasket. If you want to go this route, go all in...don't use any government funded services.

Oh, NEVER go on the interstate highway system as that is the ultimate example of socialism in this country.

Bingo. They run around decrying "socialism", but most don't even realize they enjoy the benefit of "socialist" mechanisms nearly every day. Hypocritical, stupid people...stupid people everywhere.

[lionsfan20]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

In all seriousness, what tax bracket do you fall in, because the most brilliant thing the republican party has done since Reagan is get people that will never even be close to the tax brackets that would be impacted by democratic taxes on the rich and corporations to somehow fight for the uber rich.



Also, many people seem to have no clue how a progressive tax structure works. I once saw a guy argue that if he was making 1.5 million dollars a year and they raised a tax bracket on earnings over 1 million to 60% from say 40% but kept everything else the same, he would make sure he made less than 1 million to avoid paying more in taxes. It was truly one of the dumbest things I have ever seen, and I am wondering if you have the same misconception?

Lol not discussing my personal income with a stranger on the internet. You can believe whatever you want if it helps you sleep at night. As I stated earlier you are not changing anyone's mind in here.

I can tell you many in the middle class are ok defending those in higher tax brackets because they know it is possible they could be in those same brackets someday. If they become successful business owners or achieve great success some other way. Many don't feel you should be punished for being successful. We seem to have different definitions of the word "fair".

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[lionsfan20]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

I'll also ask you this again. Why are social programs that you utilize ok? In my experience republicans are fine taking advantage of things like roads, schools, public services, and other things that are subsidized by the government but as soon as someone else gets something they don't they blow a gasket. If you want to go this route, go all in...don't use any government funded services.

Oh, NEVER go on the interstate highway system as that is the ultimate example of socialism in this country.

I never said I was anti government or didn't use any of those services. That is part of what makes our democracy great. It is not socialism or communism it is a blend of several things which allows the best of many systems. I have no problem paying my fair share of taxes to help pay for these essential services that I use and help those who truly cannot help themselves.

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[Clark]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

Simply put, paying more in general cuts into a bottom line that is already making a company a ton of money.

Exactly. Some the discussions of the past 2 days have gone to the heart of profits vs standard of living for working people.

If a person with physical or mental disabilities, or is not good in school, or doesn't have the necessities to move up the ladder, it becomes a debate over corporations sharing profits with workers.

How much they share vs what people living standards/expectations are a matter of debate.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by Clark

No it's not. Take a plane to Libya. Pay a smuggler for a seat in a dingy and head to Spain or Italy.

Once there, claim asylum. While you will placed in a camp, no one will stop you from picking the European country you wish to reside. Take off in the middle of the night and head to your utopia.

I'm only ~50% sure this is satire, but either way amazing post.

[lionsfan20]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

There isn't one. He must be one of those elusive Nebraska Multimillionaires.

Your really going to make me search through your 10,000 posts and find it? Even when you know you said it?

Looking back around the time you posted you were ok with the rich paying up to 50% tax several of your posts have been edited so most likely you went back to cover your tracks.

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[Alvarez09]

Originally Posted by lionsfan20

Lol not discussing my personal income with a stranger on the internet. You can believe whatever you want if it helps you sleep at night. As I stated earlier you are not changing anyone's mind in here.

I can tell you many in the middle class are ok defending those in higher tax brackets because they know it is possible they could be in those same brackets someday. If they become successful business owners or achieve great success some other way. Many don't feel you should be punished for being successful. We seem to have different definitions of the word "fair".

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Of course you won't discuss it on here. I'm not asking down to the penny, but I'd like to know if you even fall in these categories.

Maybe you'll hit the lottery too! Maybe Trump will give you 20 million dollars (oh wait, he doesn't have that much)!

Bootlicking. THat is all it is, and absolute fantasy. The 1% are by definition a small group. 99/100 of us will never get there, and the mega rich are even smaller and those are the ones that would be most impacted by tax increases.

Again though, keep dreaming, and purposely voting for and supporting policies that fly directly against your own interest based on a fantasy is really confusing to me.

As for me, if I got lucky enough to be in a top tax bracket from where I am now...I would be MORE than happy to pay 50% on anything I made over say 1 million dollars a year in income. I would have more than enough money to support myself and anyone I care about for the rest of my life.

Maybe the rich should be more responsible with their money if they can't figure out how to live on clearing 600K a year?

[Alvarez09]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

I'm only ~50% sure this is satire, but either way amazing post.

I'm going to get yelled at for stereotyping again, but he is Canadian so I assumed it was satire. They have a much lower likelyhood to be right wing nuts up there.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by Lonewolf

Bingo. They run around decrying "socialism", but most don't even realize they enjoy the benefit of "socialist" mechanisms nearly every day. Hypocritical, stupid people...stupid people everywhere.

Gimme my money! Down with taxes!

In reality it’s down with Medicare, defund military and police, don’t pay off our debts, pray you don’t get laid off, forget our veterans, close schools, watch grocery bills skyrocket, etc.

But hey, I got my money!

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by Clark

It really depends on the industry. Since we are discussing manufacturing I can share some insight on the auto industry, which I know.

Companies generally do not like to disclose their cost structures. However, most auto analysts agree that labour costs per final cost of a vehicle are around 10-15%.

The general belief is that no manufacturing company should have labour costs that exceed 30% of the final cost of a product, regardless of what they make.

While I agree that there are some products that consumer demand makes it financially impossible to compete with China, it is not absolute that Canada or America can't compete.

You could be right, I thought labor costs were usually around 20-30%. My question though is that 15% labor costs from China or the USA? You could be right, I just thought labor costs were higher than 10-15% at least in the USA.

[jlzinck]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

I think it is absolutely dog whistle racism, ESPECIALLY putting getting married next to a young black woman.

What a close minded bigot you are. How dare you suggest the gender of the person i the billboard picture

[Alvarez09]

Originally Posted by Clark

Exactly. Some the discussions of the past 2 days have gone to the heart of profits vs standard of living for working people.

If a person with physical or mental disabilities, or is not good in school, or doesn't have the necessities to move up the ladder, it becomes a debate over corporations sharing profits with workers.

How much they share vs what people living standards/expectations are a matter of debate.

And again, I will be told to move to my "utopia" again, but I do believe there are laws in certain European countries that cap wages a certain percentage above what the lowest paid worker at a company makes.

I really think that would go a long way to increasing rank and file wages.

https://work.chron.com/ceo-compensat...rld-15509.html

This is older, but it is asinine that A CEO makes 400-500 times the average worker at a company in this country.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by lionsfan20

Your really going to make me search through your 10,000 posts and find it? Even when you know you said it?

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He’s only got 138 in here. Not tough to find for a hard working person.

Hyperbole!!!

[Alvarez09]

Originally Posted by lionsfan20

I never said I was anti government or didn't use any of those services. That is part of what makes our democracy great. It is not socialism or communism it is a blend of several things which allows the best of many systems. I have no problem paying my fair share of taxes to help pay for these essential services that I use and help those who truly cannot help themselves.

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Translation: I got minez, screw everyone else!