Ronald Acuña

[Phoneboy]

this is my last post on being the underbidder as it relates to the market. I feel like I'm being attacked when I was only posing a question.

In no way was I trying to shame someone for bidding on, buying, or underbidding on the Sapphire. It's a card with a fairly low print run. As previously stated, I paid $3200 for the last one that I bought. The one that prompted the discussion went for less than that although a different TPG and grade. Doesn't make sense that I would try to shame either party for buying a card that I own, I love, and that sold for less than the one I bought recently.

My comment has nothing to do with shill bidding either. I didn't suggest, nor do I think, that either person on the Sapphire was engaged in that. I've never bid on a card that I didn't want to own or had no intention of paying for had I won it.

My initial comment wasn't about a person's budget or available funds either. I completely get that a person's cash allocation can change week to week or day to day.
Although, if I win the lottery, the comps on stuff that I really want are going to shoot up. I would imagine that many of you would do the same.

The only point that I was trying, and apparently failed, to make is that if there is an auction for card A and there are also 4 or 5 listed on Ebay with BIN or BO, it has been MY EXPERIENCE to not bid on Card A, let it finish, and then send offers to those with a BIN or BO. Again, we are talking about cards with a few available. I'm not talking about super rare cards or even the base US250. Does it always work? No. Have I missed cards I wanted? Yes.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by Phoneboy

this is my last post on being the underbidder as it relates to the market. I feel like I'm being attacked when I was only posing a question.

In no way was I trying to shame someone for bidding on, buying, or underbidding on the Sapphire. It's a card with a fairly low print run. As previously stated, I paid $3200 for the last one that I bought. The one that prompted the discussion went for less than that although a different TPG and grade. Doesn't make sense that I would try to shame either party for buying a card that I own, I love, and that sold for less than the one I bought recently.

My comment has nothing to do with shill bidding either. I didn't suggest, nor do I think, that either person on the Sapphire was engaged in that. I've never bid on a card that I didn't want to own or had no intention of paying for had I won it.

My initial comment wasn't about a person's budget or available funds either. I completely get that a person's cash allocation can change week to week or day to day.
Although, if I win the lottery, the comps on stuff that I really want are going to shoot up. I would imagine that many of you would do the same.

The only point that I was trying, and apparently failed, to make is that if there is an auction for card A and there are also 4 or 5 listed on Ebay with BIN or BO, it has been MY EXPERIENCE to not bid on Card A, let it finish, and then send offers to those with a BIN or BO. Again, we are talking about cards with a few available. I'm not talking about super rare cards or even the base US250. Does it always work? No. Have I missed cards I wanted? Yes.

I don't know man..still seems risky if it's a card you want to do that. If you have a price you wanna pay and thats your limit..I'm just gonna go for it like I did and try to win the card within my limit. That seems to assume the seller would be willing to sell near the comp and there's a lot of sellers that won't no matter what the comp is. I'm not trying to attack or anything..I just wouldn't do your method but it's great if it works for you

[ThoseBackPages]

if i want to own a card, this is what i do. i bid a placement bid when it is listed. some say that is stupid, but i do it to discourage the seller from ending it early to sell to someone that messages them about doing a deal. then i will set my snipe for what i want to pay.

[zworykin]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

if i want to own a card, this is what i do. i bid a placement bid when it is listed. some say that is stupid, but i do it to discourage the seller from ending it early to sell to someone that messages them about doing a deal. then i will set my snipe for what i want to pay.

Pretty much exactly this. And to affirmatively kill the OBO option if there is one (which is of course closely related to what you said).

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by zworykin

Pretty much exactly this. And to affirmatively kill the OBO offer if there is one (which is of course closely related to what you said).

oh yea ive done that, especially if my offer is turned down! HAHA

[zworykin]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

oh yea ive done that, especially if my offer is turned down! HAHA

Yep. I've got my eye on two auctions ending this week that fit that description exactly!

[blackbears86]

agree with you Z and TBP

[towerymt]

Originally Posted by Phoneboy

The only point that I was trying, and apparently failed, to make is that if there is an auction for card A and there are also 4 or 5 listed on Ebay with BIN or BO, it has been MY EXPERIENCE to not bid on Card A, let it finish, and then send offers to those with a BIN or BO. Again, we are talking about cards with a few available. I'm not talking about super rare cards or even the base US250. Does it always work? No. Have I missed cards I wanted? Yes.

I think it makes sense. I do think it can be tricky to execute.

The risk is clear to me. The auction ends low. Lower than what you might have been willing to pay. And then none of the BIN sellers will drop to that low of a price. FOMO promotes the desire to bid.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by towerymt

I think it makes sense. I do think it can be tricky to execute.

The risk is clear to me. The auction ends low. Lower than what you might have been willing to pay. And then none of the BIN sellers will drop to that low of a price. FOMO promotes the desire to bid.

yea, i agree.

odds of taking a "this just sold for $XXXX via auction, do you have room on yours?" to a seller that has a BIN are not good

"you should have bought that one then" is the likely answer

[Rabs]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

if i want to own a card, this is what i do. i bid a placement bid when it is listed. some say that is stupid, but i do it to discourage the seller from ending it early to sell to someone that messages them about doing a deal. then i will set my snipe for what i want to pay.

It may discourage the seller to an extent, but they can still end it if they want.

I definitely place a bid early though to get rid of the "best offer" option.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by Rabs

It may discourage the seller to an extent, but they can still end it if they want.

I definitely place a bid early though to get rid of the "best offer" option.

no doubt!

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by Phoneboy

this is my last post on being the underbidder as it relates to the market. I feel like I'm being attacked when I was only posing a question.

In no way was I trying to shame someone for bidding on, buying, or underbidding on the Sapphire. It's a card with a fairly low print run. As previously stated, I paid $3200 for the last one that I bought. The one that prompted the discussion went for less than that although a different TPG and grade. Doesn't make sense that I would try to shame either party for buying a card that I own, I love, and that sold for less than the one I bought recently.

My comment has nothing to do with shill bidding either. I didn't suggest, nor do I think, that either person on the Sapphire was engaged in that. I've never bid on a card that I didn't want to own or had no intention of paying for had I won it.

My initial comment wasn't about a person's budget or available funds either. I completely get that a person's cash allocation can change week to week or day to day.
Although, if I win the lottery, the comps on stuff that I really want are going to shoot up. I would imagine that many of you would do the same.

The only point that I was trying, and apparently failed, to make is that if there is an auction for card A and there are also 4 or 5 listed on Ebay with BIN or BO, it has been MY EXPERIENCE to not bid on Card A, let it finish, and then send offers to those with a BIN or BO. Again, we are talking about cards with a few available. I'm not talking about super rare cards or even the base US250. Does it always work? No. Have I missed cards I wanted? Yes.

It appears that everyone here understood your comment the same way.

Rephrasing your comment. What you basically said was that you shouldn't bid on a card unless you win it, because all you're doing is driving up the price. I think everyone else seems to be in agreement that "driving up the price" means you really weren't serious about buying it.

Looking at it from the other side, using the users here and their card. You want to say that zworykin was the one driving the price up. However, Chris is the one that priced out others and set the price higher for the next person. Chris shouldn't have bid, then the price would have been lower for the next person. Everybody is to blame, except for the person who places the first bid.

[Biohazarddfl]

I actually thought phoneboys comment was really interesting, and I've had a similar thought, although I don't have the discipline. How many times have we all bid $1000 on a card, lost it and then see that the next highest bid was like $700? If the card sold at 700, you could use that comp to go buy the card you were going to pay 1k for, at maybe 800 or 900.

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[ThoseBackPages]

i agree that if someone wins something (even "by accident") that they 100% have to pay for it

there are cards that i have no issues owning multiple copies of. i bid accordingly, and if i win, i pay

[SaltyCracker]

Latest addition to the collection. I offered twice as much for one of these last offseason. Luckily the seller declined.

[Phoneboy]

Originally Posted by SaltyCracker

Latest addition to the collection. I offered twice as much for one of these last offseason. Luckily the seller declined.

great card and #1 at that!.

[Rabs]

Originally Posted by SaltyCracker

Latest addition to the collection. I offered twice as much for one of these last offseason. Luckily the seller declined.

Great add!

They are both looking at the same thing haha.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by SaltyCracker

Latest addition to the collection. I offered twice as much for one of these last offseason. Luckily the seller declined.

pants TIGHT

[jhssketchcards]

Originally Posted by SaltyCracker

Latest addition to the collection. I offered twice as much for one of these last offseason. Luckily the seller declined.

This is one of the coolest cards. Congrats


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[here2havefun]

Originally Posted by whitmm

It appears that everyone here understood your comment the same way.

Rephrasing your comment. What you basically said was that you shouldn't bid on a card unless you win it, because all you're doing is driving up the price. I think everyone else seems to be in agreement that "driving up the price" means you really weren't serious about buying it.

Looking at it from the other side, using the users here and their card. You want to say that zworykin was the one driving the price up. However, Chris is the one that priced out others and set the price higher for the next person. Chris shouldn't have bid, then the price would have been lower for the next person. Everybody is to blame, except for the person who places the first bid.

FWIW I didn't get the impression that phoneboy was trying to shame anyone, and didn't read it as "every underbid is a shill!" To me it sounds like he only gets involved in auctions if he's going to be mega-bidding, which is fine.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by here2havefun

FWIW I didn't get the impression that phoneboy was trying to shame anyone, and didn't read it as "every underbid is a shill!" To me it sounds like he only gets involved in auctions if he's going to be mega-bidding, which is fine.

I believe it was the "the underbidder only serves to elevate the price for the next person" line and the part about if it's rare that you "have to go for it" lines that didn't sit right with me.

Both of those comments come across as rude. The other poster just said they lost out on auction, which appears that they were both trying to snipe, and phone comes in and says says that all he did was run up the price and that he should have been willing to go higher.

He said he only bids if it's rare and then threw in a little humble brag, suggesting that he has no limit on his spending.

[wharfrat7624]

Originally Posted by SaltyCracker

Latest addition to the collection. I offered twice as much for one of these last offseason. Luckily the seller declined.

Great looking card Salty!! Congrats!


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[Phoneboy]

Originally Posted by whitmm

I believe it was the "the underbidder only serves to elevate the price for the next person" line and the part about if it's rare that you "have to go for it" lines that didn't sit right with me.

Both of those comments come across as rude. The other poster just said they lost out on auction, which appears that they were both trying to snipe, and phone comes in and says says that all he did was run up the price and that he should have been willing to go higher.

He said he only bids if it's rare and then threw in a little humble brag, suggesting that he has no limit on his spending.

Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by Phoneboy

Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.

One guy said he was the underbidder.

Your response was that you think an underbidder just drives up the price for others. And then you said he has to go for it. Yeah, extremely rude comment to make to suggest that since he wasn't willing to go higher that all he did was run up the price.

Maybe next time someone says they lost an auction, just not say anything?

[Phoneboy]

Originally Posted by whitmm

One guy said he was the underbidder.

Your response was that you think an underbidder just drives up the price for others. And then you said he has to go for it. Yeah, extremely rude comment to make to suggest that since he wasn't willing to go higher that all he did was run up the price.

Maybe next time someone says they lost an auction, just not say anything?

Quote my post where I said that. Yes, I offered an alternate perspective based on MY personal experience. I've been the underbidder at times, lost the card, and pushed the comps higher. Your iTrader is 0. Perhaps you only buy elsewhere.

I'm sure that you will respond to this as you seem like a "last word" guy. I won't respond. You're wrong about what I said, and you are 100% wrong about my intent. I will freely admit that the written word leaves more room for interpretation - whether in a text message, email, or baseball card forum, than the spoken word. I have repeatedly tried to clarify what I said, and you refuse to accept it while repeatedly making false declarations.