Topps Project 2020 is the worst product since 1991 Fleer

[fjdlrw]

Originally Posted by blakejamieson

If I do companion cards, it will be released as a full set, after card 400. I am not certain I will do that, but I do go the companion route, that is the way I would release it.

I plan to continue to make art in the baseball space (but outside of Project 2020). Whether I decide to sell those as 1/1 originals, prints on canvas or paper, or on cards, that is TBD. Here is an example of something I made the other day:



This one is 24x48 inches, and is a concept piece for a series I am planning.

Stuff like this is great. I missed out on the Blob Ruth autographed print, but would definitely be in on things like that in the future. I think any baseball prints would go over well and will be more popular among card collectors after the success of P2020. Thanks for the response.

[mwheeler27]

Originally Posted by MTBRM

I want to like the Jamieson Griffey, but those shading lines on his neck/face make him look like an earthworm and I can't unsee it.

This was mentioned with one of his earlier cards, and he said he'd consider changing them somewhat, or something to that effect.

I think it makes the players look old, but it's Blake's style. I don't think he's going to lighten up on the heavily shaded lines as it would be changing his style.

Many people here seem to really like the Griffey Jr. I'm happy for them and Blake.

[par578]

Originally Posted by MTBRM

I want to like the Jamieson Griffey, but those shading lines on his neck/face make him look like an earthworm and I can't unsee it.

This is why I didn't buy his Mattingly.

[mwheeler27]

Originally Posted by blakejamieson

The project is already a "success" in my book, and regardless of the remaining print runs, secondary market prices, and auto prices/sales, that will not change.

P2020's "success" will vary from person to person, depending on the metrics they care about.

Yes, and some would consider P2020 failing to be a success. Lots of haters out there.

[mwheeler27]

Originally Posted by blakejamieson

If I do companion cards, it will be released as a full set, after card 400. I am not certain I will do that, but I do go the companion route, that is the way I would release it.

That would be awesome!!! I really hope you do it.

[RyanSwinger]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

i would like to wager, as there is ZERO chance this PR is below 2K

that is, if wagering were allowed here

I got $1M in escrow waiting my friend

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by blakejamieson

P2020's "success" will vary from person to person, depending on the metrics they care about.

Blake dropping some of deep buddhist Saṃjñā on the forum.

#ProjectSuccess
#Ilovethesemen

[RyanSwinger]

Blake-

I love your cards, I never miss a release and I am genuinely happy P2020 has changed your life for the positive. Your passion for art and the hobby are very transparent and you deserve a tremendous amount of credit (especially early on) for pushing the project to new heights by engaging the community. The fact that you are willing to sign cards for free is also amazing.

Just consider trying a different strategy than selling 500-1000 signed cards at over $100+ a piece for your big cards moving forward please.

Here is my suggestion of a fun way to turn the perception around. On your next auto (maybe Griffey) limit the autos to 100 color copies and agree to never sign another in color again. Fans can pick from 4 colors GOLD, SILVER AND 2 TEAM RELATED COLORS. Fans pick which color they would like you to sign their card in when they check out. At the end, total them up and announce the rarity of each. All theoretically would be 1/100 but each color could represent a SSP depending on folks interest. This would drive interest and demand to you and to the secondary market.

Everyone wins!

[eldustino]

Originally Posted by Shinjoy

I got the Jackie through a pre-sale, but I feel a little dirty now since it doesn't directly support the artist as directly. For some cards that doesn't matter, but for something that I really like, I that need to represent.

Hopefully Wheeler strikes gold and passes the love around. That card in a gold frame would be a keeper. Hand it down to the grandkids and say "kids, this was 2020, it was AWFUL but at least I got this awesome card."

Sure it does; your order is turned into an incremental card in a bulk order on the topps site. I doubt they make a distinction between 1- 5- and 10- orders when figuring royalties

And since wheeler rounds up, sometimes 1 card purchased equals 9 extra cards printed.

[Shinjoy]

Originally Posted by fjdlrw

Stuff like this is great. I missed out on the Blob Ruth autographed print, but would definitely be in on things like that in the future. I think any baseball prints would go over well and will be more popular among card collectors after the success of P2020. Thanks for the response.

Much love for showing a painting with a high-collar shirt after getting flack for the contour lines on Griffey.

Nice work though, and Blob Ruth was great fun. I'm hoping they were working on an Efdot x Blake P2020 card in their laboratory.

[blakejamieson]

Originally Posted by RyanSwinger

Blake-
Just consider trying a different strategy than selling 500-1000 signed cards at over $100+ a piece for your big cards moving forward please.

Here is my suggestion of a fun way to turn the perception around. On your next auto (maybe Griffey) limit the autos to 100 color copies and agree to never sign another in color again. Fans can pick from 4 colors GOLD, SILVER AND 2 TEAM RELATED COLORS. Fans pick which color they would like you to sign their card in. At the end, total them up and announce the rarity of each. All theoretically would be 1/100 but each color could represent a super SP depending on folks interest. This would drive interest and demand to you and to the secondary market. Everyone wins!

And how much do you suggest I charge for these "choose your color" autos?

You seem to be against both selling a large quantity of autos, and charging over $100?

I am not really sure why I would change a strategy that is already working. I have offered 70-800 colored autos depending on the player. There have only been 2 cases where they have not (yet) sold out: Trout (which were priced high based on the player), and Mo (who I intentionally did a very large auto run because I got complaints that people were not able to score a colored auto on previous releases. Mo was intended to sit on my website as a $100 numbered auto for anyone who discovers my art later into P2020.

I sincerely appreciate you input and ideas, and think the "choose your color" concept is interesting. I just don't think the economics of it make sense (both in short term and long term).

[Ra3]

Originally Posted by RyanSwinger

Blake-

I love your cards, I never miss a release and I am genuinely happy P2020 has changed your life for the positive. Your passion for art and the hobby are very transparent and you deserve a tremendous amount of credit (especially early on) for pushing the project to new heights by engaging the community. The fact that you are willing to sign cards for free is also amazing.

Just consider trying a different strategy than selling 500-1000 signed cards at over $100+ a piece for your big cards moving forward please.

Here is my suggestion of a fun way to turn the perception around. On your next auto (maybe Griffey) limit the autos to 100 color copies and agree to never sign another in color again. Fans can pick from 4 colors GOLD, SILVER AND 2 TEAM RELATED COLORS. Fans pick which color they would like you to sign their card in when they check out. At the end, total them up and announce the rarity of each. All theoretically would be 1/100 but each color could represent a super SP depending on folks interest. This would drive interest and demand to you and to the secondary market. Everyone wins!

Lol...this would be fun to watch. Can you imagine everyone picking a color like say, “yellow,” in search of a low PR thinking that it would be unpopular...while just a few people pick “gold” making a beautiful color like that sssp? Bring on the game theory.

I don’t think it makes much sense from a $$ POV for the artist but would be fun to watch

[blakejamieson]

Originally Posted by eldustino

Sure it does; your order is turned into an incremental card in a bulk order on the topps site. I doubt they make a distinction between 1- 5- and 10- orders when figuring royalties

And since wheeler rounds up, sometimes 1 card purchased equals 9 extra cards printed.

Topps absolutely distinguishes between a 1-pack and 10-pack for royalties. We get a % of gross revenue. The rev per card is higher on a single-card purchase.

That being said, I don't mind pre-sellers. The more times my art changes hands, the more people know about my art.

[dOubleO]

Vides cards out

$1000 (LE5), $750 (LE20) and $350 (LE70)

https://reality-to-idea.com/collecti...s-sandy-koufax

[UGLI baby]

Had to grab a Vides Trout Black for PC

[eldustino]

Originally Posted by blakejamieson

Topps absolutely distinguishes between a 1-pack and 10-pack for royalties. We get a % of gross revenue. The rev per card is higher on a single-card purchase.

That being said, I don't mind pre-sellers. The more times my art changes hands, the more people know about my art.

Awesome (even if it means I'm wrong; words eaten). I wish my royalties arrangements were the same....

But yeah, bigger ecosystem is better. I don't mind that the person who sold your splatter cards to me, took the risk they took when they purchased, that a buyer wouldn't come along. Can I get those to to you for TTM auto by the way.... ?

[UGLI baby]

I like that there are only 95 autos total on this one

[1977 Cloth]

Originally Posted by Bleu Falcon

I predict we won't see another <10k PR Trout.

There was a discussion a couple weeks ago on this. Thoughts?

[UGLI baby]

Originally Posted by 1977 Cloth

There was a discussion a couple weeks ago on this. Thoughts?

It did happen.

[RyanSwinger]

Originally Posted by blakejamieson

And how much do you suggest I charge for these "choose your color" autos?

You seem to be against both selling a large quantity of autos, and charging over $100?

I am not really sure why I would change a strategy that is already working. I have offered 70-800 colored autos depending on the player. There have only been 2 cases where they have not (yet) sold out: Trout (which were priced high based on the player), and Mo (who I intentionally did a very large auto run because I got complaints that people were not able to score a colored auto on previous releases. Mo was intended to sit on my website as a $100 numbered auto for anyone who discovers my art later into P2020.

I sincerely appreciate you input and ideas, and think the "choose your color" concept is interesting. I just don't think the economics of it make sense (both in short term and long term).

Each auto is $200 (plus taxes and whatever it cost to ship the customers card back).

That's $20,000 in sales minus whatever you pay for the cards (guessing $1k for 100 cards?).

100 cards TOTAL is not a "large quantity" IMO and you have created something new and fun for fans while also possibly producing an investment opportunity for those who want to speculate.

[okumeister]

Originally Posted by dOubleO

Vides cards out

$1000 (LE5), $750 (LE20) and $350 (LE70)

https://reality-to-idea.com/collecti...s-sandy-koufax

I got the black.
Gold looks the best, and I'm a bit afraid the black sig might get mixed up with the black lines in background, but gold and silver were too rich for me.

I personally really like this Trout card that Vides did.
His Jackie, Nolan Ryan, and Trout have been my favorite of his cards.

[cp312]

Originally Posted by okumeister

I got the black.
Gold looks the best, and I'm a bit afraid the black sig might get mixed up with the black lines in background, but gold and silver were too rich for me.

I personally really like this Trout card that Vides did.
His Jackie, Nolan Ryan, and Trout have been my favorite of his cards.

This was the deciding factor me not to purchase, I looked up what in hand black autos from Vides look like and it kinda just all blends together. Am I still tempted, yes lol

[okumeister]

Originally Posted by cp312

This was the deciding factor me not to purchase, I looked up what in hand black autos from Vides look like and it kinda just all blends together. Am I still tempted, yes lol

Yeah, it's a mock up though, so I'm hoping the actual outcome will look better in person.

[cp312]

Originally Posted by okumeister

Yeah, it's a mock up though, so I'm hoping the actual outcome will look better in person.

Yeah but what I was saying was I looked at the in hand ones (his Jackie auto is in hand). Anyways, I am now thinking I'll probably just buy a Jackie on the secondary market since they're below msrp already

[mwheeler27]

Originally Posted by eldustino

Sure it does; your order is turned into an incremental card in a bulk order on the topps site. I doubt they make a distinction between 1- 5- and 10- orders when figuring royalties

And since wheeler rounds up, sometimes 1 card purchased equals 9 extra cards printed.

Truth.

Edit: Not truth. Blake just stated they get a share of gross revenue and not a "per card" royalty. I am mistaken. My apologies. I thought I was told at one time artists get so much per card. I probably misunderstood.