2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[Alvarez09]

Originally Posted by techtre2003

Absolutely! Yes, you have to put in work to get rewarded. Yes, most of us here have done and still do that. However, there is no reason we can't call out the FACT that the middle class remains stagnant while the rich get richer. I'm not blaming that on the rich either, I blame our government for making it that way.

Trump's tax cuts did help me out a little bit. Awesome! I appreciate that. Now tell me why he couldn't have those tax cuts for individuals and left the corporate rates the same. You don't change anything for them so you can't say, well, they are just going to go somewhere else; they aren't.

I'm no economist by any means but my idea to get things rolling would be to simplify the tax code, close the loopholes on corporations avoiding paying taxes, cut spending across the board, then quit taxing individuals to the point where half their check isn't going back to the government in the form of one tax or another.

I do blame the government though for a tax code and lack of regulation that sets up very nicely for the rich to accumulate more wealth.

[techtre2003]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

I think the fact that o sad I agree with this, yet not one single right leaning person on here did needs to be emphasized and says all we need to know.

You didn't wait long enough

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

Yet we want to hold accountable an 18 year old and her child for bad decisions. Sorry, that is screwed up and hypocritical.

Again who said this???

I don't think we should be bailing out anyone to be honest if there is risky behaviors going on. But it has happened on all sides of the ticket through the gov't. that doesn't mean that we should just start giving more handouts.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

Yet we want to hold accountable an 18 year old and her child for bad decisions. Sorry, that is screwed up and hypocritical.

Yeah, such sad stories of people trying so hard to get ahead.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by Boo

He said
"And taking her cue from the president, McEnany played down the threat of the coronavirus."

I said just like Dr. Knownothing and Biden, you agreed. Glad you could reinforce my comment.

The point of that post was the incredible, Chapmans-level wrongness of Kayleigh's quote itself, confirmed spectacularly today by her and Trump being sick from what she absurdly claimed Trump would protect us all from, and not the preceding description in the article that gave it context. Maybe ask one of the other fellas if you aren't sure next time.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by jdandns

The point of that post was the incredible, Chapmans-level wrongness of Kayleigh's quote itself, confirmed spectacularly today by her and Trump being sick from what she absurdly claimed Trump would protect us all from, and not the preceding description in the article that gave it context. Maybe ask one of the other fellas if you aren't sure next time.

When a scientist is wrong, it's okay, because science. When the White House Press Secretary says the exact same thing, then it's mind-boggling incompetence. Got it.

[lietuvalabas]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

Who said they don't have the right to have three kids? Just don't have three kids and then whine about how hard it is to support them.

This isn't calculus.

yeah right? im 100% pro life, thats my biggest politcal social issue, so unless you had triplets or something, close your legs, use a condom, im not against birth control either, be smart idk...?

[Jgil316]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

When a scientist is wrong, it's okay, because science. When the White House Press Secretary says the exact same thing, then it's mind-boggling incompetence. Got it.

Fauci clarified his stance - Press Secretary (as well as the administration) did not. And up until mid last week, the administration still downplayed the virus and masks.

[Alvarez09]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

When a scientist is wrong, it's okay, because science. When the White House Press Secretary says the exact same thing, then it's mind-boggling incompetence. Got it.

You do realize that science isn’t a static field and is ever evolving. What fauci said in February has zero bearing on what we know now, and fauci reversed course on a few weeks whole trump and the White House have continued to perpetuate false information.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by jdandns

The point of that post was the incredible, Chapmans-level wrongness of Kayleigh's quote itself, confirmed spectacularly today by her and Trump being sick from what she absurdly claimed Trump would protect us all from, and not the preceding description in the article that gave it context. Maybe ask one of the other fellas if you aren't sure next time.

Would you look at that. I continue to be discussed by JD when I have no role or presence in the conversation.

And he even used the term correctly. Well done sir!

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

Fauci clarified his stance - Press Secretary (as well as the administration) did not. And up until mid last week, the administration still downplayed the virus and masks.

Hold up.....the Mcenany quote was "“We will not see diseases like the coronavirus come here". You're saying that she and Trump still said the same thing a week ago?

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

You do realize that science isn’t a static field and is ever evolving. What fauci said in February has zero bearing on what we know now, and fauci reversed course on a few weeks whole trump and the White House have continued to perpetuate false information.

When was McEnany's quote?

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

You do realize that science isn’t a static field and is ever evolving. What fauci said in February has zero bearing on what we know now, and fauci reversed course on a few weeks whole trump and the White House have continued to perpetuate false information.

So they were both wrong in the same month. One of them just happens to be the Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. But, yeah, science.

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

Totally on board with this. I don’t think the other side will agree...I’ve been told McDonald’s, Walmart, amazon warehouse are all jobs that shouldn’t support someone to live off of.

Honestly, even 15 an hour in some locations is going to really stretch a budget to live on.

As far a the kids thing that keeps getting thrown around, it often has ugly racial undertones.

Having worked in Supply Chain most of my life I would say most warehouse work should absolutely provide a livable wage as compensation. It is very difficult to find good people that come to work everyday and can meet the physical demands of the job in many of these environments.

[Clark]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

I grew up in foster care. My mother passed away and my father went to prison. Tell that crap to someone else.

What happened to me? I was put on the street when I turned 18. They gave me $512 and a plane ticket...though I had nowhere to go and hadn't even finished high school.

Guess what, I paid my own way through community college and university after that.

Fake concern? Pffft. I know what's possible. I lived it. Did you?

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Thanks for sharing. You are a model of success and I appreciate your motivation to overcome the statistics. You are a positive statistic!

[trixstar]

Bloomberg reports that the U.S. Supreme Court rejected challenge to Governor Tom Wolf’s COVID-19 orders, keeping the gov's 25-person indoor and 250-person outdoor crowd size limits intact

[jdandns]

“We will not see diseases like the coronavirus come here. And isn’t it refreshing when contrasting it with the awful presidency of President Obama?”

Contrast away, Kay-kay...

[Jgil316]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

Hold up.....the Mcenany quote was "“We will not see diseases like the coronavirus come here". You're saying that she and Trump still said the same thing a week ago?

I refuse to get into the "minutia" on what was the exact quote and when...... honestly, it's pointless for this exercise.



Fauci did say not to wear masks (NC - gonna paraphrase you here - GET THE CONTEXT of what Fauci was talking about.) but that quote also said we would evaluate and change as the extent because clear. Also, Fauci knew we had a shortage of PPE for first line workers (again, we need context as to what he said and when)

This administrations failure to take this virus seriously is well documented and with 12 people in the WH now testing positive - including the POTUS - highlights the catastrophic failure of this administrations response and handlining of the pandemic. Do we really need to roll the tape to see how many times Trump mocked mask wearing and people wearing masks?
Lastly - the Press Secretary is an extension of the POTUS and his administration - what he says, she says and vis-versa.


They down-played the virus and now to go back and try and re-write history saying they supported mask wearing is an insult to all Americans.

[techtre2003]

"Bloomberg reports that the U.S. Supreme Court rejected challenge to Governor Tom Wolf’s COVID-19 orders, keeping the gov's 25-person indoor and 250-person outdoor crowd size limits intac"


How can that be? Trump has destroyed the SC and put his puppets in there to do his bidding! - Sorry, had to do it.

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

I refuse to get into the "minutia" on what was the exact quote and when...... honestly, it's pointless for this exercise.



Fauci did say not to wear masks (NC - gonna paraphrase you here - GET THE CONTEXT of what Fauci was talking about.) but that quote also said we would evaluate and change as the extent because clear. Also, Fauci knew we had a shortage of PPE for first line workers (again, we need context as to what he said and when)

This administrations failure to take this virus seriously is well documented and with 12 people in the WH now testing positive - including the POTUS - highlights the catastrophic failure of this administrations response and handlining of the pandemic. Do we really need to roll the tape to see how many times Trump mocked mask wearing and people wearing masks?
Lastly - the Press Secretary is an extension of the POTUS and his administration - what he says, she says and vis-versa.


They down-played the virus and now to go back and try and re-write history saying they supported mask wearing is an insult to all Americans.

of course you don't, because context doesn't matter to you.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

I refuse to get into the "minutia" on what was the exact quote and when...... honestly, it's pointless for this exercise.

That's because, if you did, you would have to ask why the Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases since 1984 said the exact same thing. It's better to dismiss the timing as though it doesn't matter.

[Boo]

Originally Posted by trixstar

Bloomberg reports that the U.S. Supreme Court rejected challenge to Governor Tom Wolf’s COVID-19 orders, keeping the gov's 25-person indoor and 250-person outdoor crowd size limits intact

Luckily local school districts have pretty much told him to shove it. My district had two tickets for parents of football, band and cheerleaders plus 150 kids (they did limit that) in the stands over the weekend (so over 400 plus the teams). All other sports they aren't even counting people.

[Jgil316]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

That's because, if you did, you would have to ask why the Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases since 1984 said the exact same thing. It's better to dismiss the timing as though it doesn't matter.

Please read what I wrote - for the love of god - please..........

Fauci - changed course, early on - (while Trump knew the dangers of this virus) and the administration vilified him for it

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

Please read what I wrote - for the love of god - please..........

Fauci - changed course, early on - (while Trump knew the dangers of this virus) and the administration vilified him for it

Oh, I read it alright, that's why the response was so easy. First, you guys threw the quote in her face, then backtracked and claimed that the timing and context didn't matter. You pulled an Alvarez09.

We're just glad that the Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases since 1984 changed course once it hit the U.S. Thanks for nothing!

[Clark]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

Sure, but again why make the child suffer because parents made a bad choice.

The problem starts when "mistakes" become the norm.