BGS Black Labels, Joe Clemons (eBay ID: wjc75056), and Illegitimate Grading

[mr10pin]

Originally Posted by TigerEyes

Kind of off topic. I went to college in Northwest Ohio. I used to go to a small card shop in one of the towns. When I mentioned Beckett, the card store owner got a disgusted look on his face. He told me he knew Jim Beckett. (For those that don’t know, Dr. James Beckett started Beckett the company before selling it years ago.) I even believe I heard Beckett was a professor at Bowling Green State University in Northwest Ohio. Well, he went on to tell me that Jim Beckett refused to pay for a table at the local card shows, he would just turn over a trash can and sell his cards there.

Now, of course, I can’t prove that this is correct, but I’ve learned in my life, many times where there’s smoke there’s fire. I, for one, am not surprised by anything that comes out of BGS or that entire company. Even if it has changed ownership. Once rotten, always rotten.

He was an assitant professor at BGSU in the late 70s.

[DaRitz]

I think we should NOT attack company CEO's when they come onto the boards to discuss the topics at hand.

We want them to come here. After reading through the threads of PWCC and Leaf reps, I don't think anyone will come on here again. What's the point?

If you disagree, disagree politely. Thank them for coming on. If you want to bash them, at least have the decency to start a new thread.

The people who come on here end up getting bashed more than the people who stay away with "No comment." Let's not do that.

For the companies offering only, "No comment." Bash away...

[unclemonkey]

Crazy.... Last night I went to a poker game and then got up early for work.

Check into BO about 18 hours later to a new thread and 16 pages.

BGS has some internal cleansing to do and a public statement is needed on the grader/graders involved in the black labels.

[delangley1977]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Who's Joe Clemons and is she hot?

I chuckled a little harder than I prolly should have at this.

[hxcmilkshake]

Lol "I posted a reward" lol thats all that dood kept sayin....smh....this is an internet message board not the Wild West in 1842! Can I get mine in gold bars please? And some for Curly too mkay?

We need Beckett to review this anyway..they have at least 1 that should be fired....

At that point I hope Joe can give you some black labels to sell to supplement your unemployment.

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[PoPCulture]

This shady stuff is coming at us too fast to keep up with. We haven’t even figured out how a certain Australian seller gets the top hits (including 4 different Ali Superfractor 1/1 Autos and 5 of the 10 total Harrison Ford Autos) out of Pop Century year after year and now we have this to deal with.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Thank God Brian left. I was going to suggest he stop replying so that he could end his own self embarrassment.

You won't be buying anything from me on eBay to repackage in your products anymore Brian.

[dream34]

Originally Posted by unclemonkey

I learned this on the coin side of CLCT and from advice of a HOF PCGS coin dealer.

Companies assigning value. The grade is just ancillary.

A different way to look at it, but it answers some of my results from PSA.

They make key cards tougher to gem!

I could not miss a PSA 10 on Alex Kirilloff 1st Bowman auto submissions when he was injured and an afterthought.

I would not dare submit his card now. More established and popular Aaron Judge and Gleyber... about 50/50 PSA9 and PSA 10's

All this manufactured rarity crap on top of the trimmers just reinforces my decision to sell out of cards except a few PC guys.

Headed back into coins.

As for WJCIII, there seems to be a backdoor at BGS.

I cannot imagine the company involved in such favoritism.

One thing that is a sure bet... BGS will tighten it's grading standards.

They already have, just for everyone else and not preferred members. I have long felt this and this is just further confirmation.

[cking]

Originally Posted by pgisback

This is why I believe him. If he's getting special treatment sending in Leaf Metal cards he's a fool. The 3 Lebron black labels in a row, now this... this is 100's thousands of dollars worth of cards

All Mike Trout 2011 Topps Updates

9988864 - BGS 10
9988865 - BGS 10
9988866 - BGS 10
9988867 - BGS 10
9988868 - BGS 10
9988869 - BGS 10
9988870 - BGS 10
9988871 - BGS 10
9988872 - BGS 10
9988873 - BGS 10
9988874 - BGS 10
9988875 - BGS 10
9988876 - BGS 10
9988877 - BLACK LABEL
9988878 - BGS 10
9988879 - BLACK LABEL
9988880 - BLACK LABEL

So either this guy is the luckiest human being on the planet, BGS is fraudulent, or there is something to their numbering system that is not consistent. If I were a criminal this would be how my serial numbers look, lmao. Not commons and leaf metal cards

What are your thoughts on the Tiger Woods Upper Deck card that had 1,800 cards submitted and NOT ONE got a black label.

This guy submits 2 of the same card and gets 2 black labels.

Do you find that odd?

[calculusdork]

Originally Posted by unclemonkey

a public statement is needed on the grader/graders involved in the black labels.

They have no incentive to do anything until there is a legitimate threat of legal action.

If/when there is a legitimate threat of legal action, they will throw the guilty grader to the mob, and release a statement that they have drained the swamp.

[Vladdy Jr]

Originally Posted by cj828282

I believe it is a conflict of interest for any former or current Beckett Grading employee to submit cards for grading. Should not be allowed and none of this would have happened if Beckett had this policy.

Should they not be allowed or should their exclusive black label privileges be revoked?

[UD HighGloss]

Originally Posted by Seven Costanza

I still can't believe The Seahawks didn't give the ball to Lynch from the one yard line.

These threads have been playing out like a Soap Opera but this is by far the first remark that made me laugh out loud!

[LSUNatChamps]

Originally Posted by Timsterino

Bottom line is we all need to vote with our wallets and boycott both LEAF and BGS until corrections are made.

Outside of any potential legal repercussions, all of us who feel passionately about this issue need to avoid buying any and all products from the companies and individuals associated with this. Vote with your money!

[Timsterino]

Originally Posted by LEAF

Ok,....

I have shared my personal opinion and beliefs.

I dont have time for further back and forth (i got sets to build), but feel free to email me at brian@leaftradingcards.com if you wish to have additional discussion as I will be unable to monitor this thread.

We all have opinions (and that is ok). If anyone posts the smoking gun alleged to exist, please send me an email as I wont see it here.

BG

Bye Felicia.

[SupermanBrandon]

If Acuna hits a couple dingers tonight...Joey "black labeled" Clemons will be a thing of the past. BUY ACUNA! Sell SOTO (to me).

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by LSUNatChamps

Outside of any potential legal repercussions, all of us who feel passionately about this issue need to avoid buying any and all products from the companies and individuals associated with this. Vote with your money!

Guys...don't buy any graded BGS labeled cards...and leave them for me to grab super cheap. Cheap cards x Tons of money in the market = Maui here I come.

[kidfan9]

So many recent juicy threads it’s going to be a difficult decision come “thread of the year” time!

[tonedef2oo8]

The used cars salesman strikes and runs away again!

Send him your money people!

[mlbfan10]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

You won't be buying anything from me on eBay to repackage in your products anymore Brian.

Uhhhh that was beyond stupid of him. Wow.

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[mutigers77]

The biggest scam we've uncovered today... is the # of collective hours you've all stolen from your respective employers.

[luckyduck]

So, we know that Joe Clemons buys cards at the National for Leaf Best Of products and also attends BGS conferences on behalf of Leaf. We also know he gets more black labels than mathematically makes sense.

A boycott of Leaf seems like just the start.

[jr24ai3]

Wasn't someone offering $100 for 3 black labels in a row or $500 for 8 black labels in a row? Did that person edit/remove that posting?

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by WJCIII

I will fully admit that I went 3/3 on the one order. It’s possible the other orders had more cards but I can’t say for sure.

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Why not? Simply looking through your email or logging into your BGS account would yield the answer to the question. You know the date of the submission. Go find the order for us to settle the dispute.

And if you’re going to hit and run, creating this thread was a waste. Good luck with your ventures dude.

I am posting this again. Please post the email you received when the order was complete, or log into your account and post the order information for this sub from May 8th. This was 23 days ago. You should be able to readily find the information we are requesting from this order. You can defend yourself here with just a few minutes of your time. If this sub contained 1000 cards and had 9.5s and non-black label 10s, you will be owed a huge apology. Again, this is easily done and you can clear your name right now.

05/08/19
11334005 2018 Topps Opening Day Jack Flaherty Black Label
11334006 2010 Bowman Prospects Anthony Rizzo Black Label
11334007 2018 Topps Rainbow Foil Harrison Bader Black Label
11334008 2018 Topps Update Gleyber Torres Black Label
11334009 2018 Topps Gallery Juan Soto BGS 10
11334010 2018 Topps Chrome Update Juan Soto BGS 10
11334090 2018 Topps Chrome Update Gleyber Torres Black Label
11334091 2018 Topps Chrome Update Michael Soroka Black Label
11334093 2018 Topps Chrome Update Rafael Devers Black Label
11334095 2018 Bowman Chrome Trending Fernando Tatis Jr. Black Label
11334096 2017 Bowman’s Best Jo Adell Black Label
11334097 2017 Bowman’s Best Jo Adell Black Label
11334100 2018 Topps Chrome Update Rhys Hoskins Black Label
11334101 2018 Topps Chrome Update Rhys Hoskins Black Label
11334102 2018 Topps Chrome Update Wakler Buehler Black Label
11334103 2018 Topps Chrome Update Wakler Buehler Black Label
11334104 2018 Topps Chrome Update Wakler Buehler Black Label

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by WJCIII

I will fully admit that I went 3/3 on the one order. It’s possible the other orders had more cards but I can’t say for sure.

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Why not? Simply looking through your email or logging into your BGS account would yield the answer to the question. You know the date of the submission. Go find the order for us to settle the dispute.

And if you’re going to hit and run, creating this thread was a waste. Good luck with your ventures dude.

I am posting this again. Please post the email you received when the order was complete, or log into your account and post the order information for this sub from May 8th. This was 23 days ago. You should be able to readily find the information we are requesting from this order. You can defend yourself here with just a few minutes of your time. If this sub contained 1000 cards and had 9.5s and non-black label 10s, you will be owed a huge apology. Again, this is easily done and you can clear your name right now.

05/08/19
11334005 2018 Topps Opening Day Jack Flaherty Black Label
11334006 2010 Bowman Prospects Anthony Rizzo Black Label
11334007 2018 Topps Rainbow Foil Harrison Bader Black Label
11334008 2018 Topps Update Gleyber Torres Black Label
11334009 2018 Topps Gallery Juan Soto BGS 10
11334010 2018 Topps Chrome Update Juan Soto BGS 10
11334090 2018 Topps Chrome Update Gleyber Torres Black Label
11334091 2018 Topps Chrome Update Michael Soroka Black Label
11334093 2018 Topps Chrome Update Rafael Devers Black Label
11334095 2018 Bowman Chrome Trending Fernando Tatis Jr. Black Label
11334096 2017 Bowman’s Best Jo Adell Black Label
11334097 2017 Bowman’s Best Jo Adell Black Label
11334100 2018 Topps Chrome Update Rhys Hoskins Black Label
11334101 2018 Topps Chrome Update Rhys Hoskins Black Label
11334102 2018 Topps Chrome Update Wakler Buehler Black Label
11334103 2018 Topps Chrome Update Wakler Buehler Black Label
11334104 2018 Topps Chrome Update Wakler Buehler Black Label

[dream34]

Originally Posted by cking

What are your thoughts on the Tiger Woods Upper Deck card that had 1,800 cards submitted and NOT ONE got a black label.

This guy submits 2 of the same card and gets 2 black labels.

Do you find that odd?

This is pretty impossible to explain and short of proof probably the most convincing evidence.
2 for 2! Or maybe it was submitted with the previous ones 20 days earlier and the label matrix printed them out 20 days later right?