AEW Wrestling Discussion Thread

[sauceboy]

I booked The Beast Mortos for my promotion this past weekend. I have signed cards, 8x10s, and figures. If anyone is interested, feel free to shoot me a DM!

[jmarascojr]

How long was the line of people just wanting to ask him what Sasha/Mercedes is like in real life?

[sauceboy]

Honestly, everyone was very respectful when meeting him. Super nice and humble guy.

[packman80]

So Wardlow hurt again. It's being reported he tore his pec at his one appearance at Forbidden Door. He just needs to find a new job since it seems every time he steps into a ring he's getting hurt.

[Jaypers]

Originally Posted by packman80

So Wardlow hurt again. It's being reported he tore his pec at his one appearance at Forbidden Door. He just needs to find a new job since it seems every time he steps into a ring he's getting hurt.

I think it's more likely he tore it while filming American Gladiators. Maybe he just wanted to fight through it at Forbidden Door.

[Cracktoast]

Pac looks weird AF without the eye patch

[Gurds]

Andrade is back! Hell yeah!

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[packman80]

Originally Posted by Gurds

Andrade is back! Hell yeah!

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So WWE let him go over rumored substance abuse issues but AEW just signs him right away? Seems just like when Kurt refused rehab so WWE got rid of him just to see him end up in TNA right away.

[ThatGuyPal]

WWE let him go cause he was no longer with Charlotte. Probably wouldn’t have even been brought back in the first place if they weren’t together. It’s pretty obvious how WWE operates look at Jaida Parker and Lola Vice renewed pushes all of a sudden that they with Damian and Jey.

That being said, while it’s a good spot for him I think the Callis Family needs to stop being the “insert heel here” group that we don’t know where else to place. I mean Wardlow before getting reinjured just came back and joined, I think Murderhawk is in the group. Besides Fletcher no one really stands out and they don’t even look strong as a “group” like Deathriders etc

[Gurds]

Originally Posted by ThatGuyPal

WWE let him go cause he was no longer with Charlotte. Probably wouldn’t have even been brought back in the first place if they weren’t together. It’s pretty obvious how WWE operates look at Jaida Parker and Lola Vice renewed pushes all of a sudden that they with Damian and Jey.

That being said, while it’s a good spot for him I think the Callis Family needs to stop being the “insert heel here” group that we don’t know where else to place. I mean Wardlow before getting reinjured just came back and joined, I think Murderhawk is in the group. Besides Fletcher no one really stands out and they don’t even look strong as a “group” like Deathriders etc

I like the DC Family but yeah a few too many members BUT I do believe Takeshita is turning face soon. Him and Okada aren't getting along. I bet something happens with them next week against Brodido and the Unified championship is put on the line and they have a match at WrestleDream in a few weeks...

Or maybe they slow build it for another PPV but Takeshita will have gold at some point soon and will be a face. He's so damn good.

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[Anarchy99]

Lol AEW doing live TV at a 5000 seat amphitheater in Jacksonville


Just hilarious.

[Gurds]

Originally Posted by Anarchy99

Lol AEW doing live TV at a 5000 seat amphitheater in Jacksonville





Just hilarious.

Why's it hilarious to you?

That's their home venue. It's where they did all their TV during the pandemic when things were shut down and they go back at least once a year.

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[mossoholic]

Orange Cassidy pinned PAC clean in the middle literally 1 minute after being Tombstoned on the floor. That is not a type.

Hangman with the same generic fake bs promo every single week.

Moxley with the same garbage match every week.

Death Riders arguably the worst faction in wrestling history.

Absolutely nothing to be emotionally invested in.

I'm in the minority of people that still watch this, but Toni Storm's endless shtick is unbearable. She beats Mercedes and Athena clean in the middle back to back PPVs. 2 women with 1 combined lose in several years. And who did that ultimately help put over? Absolutely no one.

The commentary as bad as it's ever been on Dynamite.

I can't believe for years how much I loved this company. Drove I think 8 or 9 times 5-10 hours each way to go to shows. Flew 3 times to shows. Had such a great time at all but 1 of those shows. Got to see some of the best PPVs and some of the best matches I've ever seen. AEW is so bad now you'd basically have to pay me to go. I can't imagine there is realistically anything I would pay to see from this company right now. The weekly tv is terrible. All Out was so bad I was falling asleep many times. Took me several days to actually finish the whole thing. All In was a great show but outside of maybe 5 other matches here and there every PPV this year has been overrated. I don't know how it's ever going to change because it's all what Tony wants and no one else's ideas matter.

Maybe if MJF becomes champion in a few months we can at least see some top tier matches and decent stories. Outside of that Tables and Tacks match, probably the worst 10+ minute match of his I've seen, he will get most of these guys to work a match with him.

[packman80]

Originally Posted by Gurds

Why's it hilarious to you?

That's their home venue. It's where they did all their TV during the pandemic when things were shut down and they go back at least once a year.

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They are drawing 2-3K for TV shows. For what they are you figure they could and should do better. They are not doing much better then TNA who is said to draw about 1500-2K per TV show.

[pumpkinescobar]

Originally Posted by packman80

They are drawing 2-3K for TV shows. For what they are you figure they could and should do better. They are not doing much better then TNA who is said to draw about 1500-2K per TV show.

They're running smaller, more intimate venues with smaller capacities. I personally love the aesthetic on TV when they're at the Hammerstein Ballroom in NYC or the Aragon Ballroom in Chicago. It provides a uniqueness similar to when WCW would run spring break Nitros at Club La Vela in Panama City.

At the end of the day, AEW is not WWE, nor are they trying to be. They're a six year old company that fills a niche and does not have years of nostalgia to call back on. They've secured a lucrative television rights contract, get decent PPV buyrates in excess of 100,000 buys and move tickets for their largest events. I would assume they're doing fine from a business standpoint despite not selling out pro sports team arenas for their weekly TV shows.

I grew up on the WWF and loved it, but they were a more mature company in the mid-1990's when they were running episodes of RAW in high school gyms with similar/worse crowds than AEW is getting now.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by pumpkinescobar

They're running smaller, more intimate venues with smaller capacities. I personally love the aesthetic on TV when they're at the Hammerstein Ballroom in NYC or the Aragon Ballroom in Chicago. It provides a uniqueness similar to when WCW would run spring break Nitros at Club La Vela in Panama City.

At the end of the day, AEW is not WWE, nor are they trying to be. They're a six year old company that fills a niche and does not have years of nostalgia to call back on. They've secured a lucrative television rights contract, get decent PPV buyrates in excess of 100,000 buys and move tickets for their largest events. I would assume they're doing fine from a business standpoint despite not selling out pro sports team arenas for their weekly TV shows.

I grew up on the WWF and loved it, but they were a more mature company in the mid-1990's when they were running episodes of RAW in high school gyms with similar/worse crowds than AEW is getting now.

AEW is not profitable but it's irrelevant. They could lose year in and year out the biggest net loss in wrestling history. The company will exist for as long as Tony Khan is alive and wants to run a wrestling company. All they need is somewhere to put their shows. It's not 2000 anymore. There are literally a million options for television or streaming right now.

AEW is running those small venues because they don't have a choice. Check out tickets for most tv shows the day of or during the week. They are trying to give tickets away to make tv shows and can't do it. I'm local to Pittsburgh and you could have got some deal I think was buy 2 get 1 free on tickets that were already severely reduced. It wasn't even $35 a ticket for a great seat in the middle 3 sections in the stands 8-20 rows up. Like I mentioned before you would have had to pay me to go now. In the past I went and paid probably $75-$120 a ticket to almost all those shows from 2019 to 2024. Those same tickets for a WWE Raw or Smackdown would be $100s of dollars in sold out 10k+ seat buildings. WrestlePalooza those seats were $600-$1000. For stadium shows those seats don't even exist because you're a mile away.

The ECW Arena looked like complete trash on AEW TV. Go watch an ECW show from like 1996 and it looks a million times better than that crap AEW did weeks ago.

The television contract is debatable because just like most of this stuff you read about AEW online there is no concrete proof. It's just speculation. With what Tony Khan is paying wrestlers though I'd argue even at $160-$180 per year for tv they are losing money. Hell, he's paying out tens of millions a year for people to not even show up! What do you think the combined contracts are of the AEW and ROH roster? I guarantee whatever number you think it's way higher. Danielson said something a few weeks ago about AEW pays out some ridiculous number of the total amount of money they bring in. Not the total profit. The money they bring in. Speaking of Danielson, he's still getting his full contract, several million dollars per year, to be a commentator. I doubt there is a single person in the top 12 highest paid in the company that if AEW closed down would even get paid half of what they are getting from AEW. Well maybe 1. Ospreay. That's only because I'm sure he's under $5 million per year. His next contract Tony will probably double his salary. How people like Moxley, The Young Bucks, Jericho, Okada, and Mercedes have conned this guy into paying them more than almost any wrestler in history is hysterical. They could all leave tomorrow and it wouldn't affect AEW's business 1 cent.

They lose money on virtually every tv taping. Between weekly salaries, renting buildings, all around transportation, hotels, food, building workers, etc almost every tv show they lose money.

The buyrates are also just take their word for it. Although I wouldn't doubt most are over 100k. The one thing AEW does have is a very small fanbase that will pay for literally anything. It could be the worst card in history they will pay $50 for it. It's also 1 reason why some tv tapings may not be huge losers. Most tv tapings they probably get 150-200 people to pay more than the rest of the attendance combined pays.

[sauceboy]

Rumor going around is that Kota Ibushi broke his femur last night. Poor guy can't catch a break.

[cdub6238]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

Orange Cassidy pinned PAC clean in the middle literally 1 minute after being Tombstoned on the floor. That is not a type.

Hangman with the same generic fake bs promo every single week.

Moxley with the same garbage match every week.

Death Riders arguably the worst faction in wrestling history.

Absolutely nothing to be emotionally invested in.

I'm in the minority of people that still watch this, but Toni Storm's endless shtick is unbearable. She beats Mercedes and Athena clean in the middle back to back PPVs. 2 women with 1 combined lose in several years. And who did that ultimately help put over? Absolutely no one.

The commentary as bad as it's ever been on Dynamite.

I can't believe for years how much I loved this company. Drove I think 8 or 9 times 5-10 hours each way to go to shows. Flew 3 times to shows. Had such a great time at all but 1 of those shows. Got to see some of the best PPVs and some of the best matches I've ever seen. AEW is so bad now you'd basically have to pay me to go. I can't imagine there is realistically anything I would pay to see from this company right now. The weekly tv is terrible. All Out was so bad I was falling asleep many times. Took me several days to actually finish the whole thing. All In was a great show but outside of maybe 5 other matches here and there every PPV this year has been overrated. I don't know how it's ever going to change because it's all what Tony wants and no one else's ideas matter.

Maybe if MJF becomes champion in a few months we can at least see some top tier matches and decent stories. Outside of that Tables and Tacks match, probably the worst 10+ minute match of his I've seen, he will get most of these guys to work a match with him.

Originally Posted by mossoholic

AEW is not profitable but it's irrelevant. They could lose year in and year out the biggest net loss in wrestling history. The company will exist for as long as Tony Khan is alive and wants to run a wrestling company. All they need is somewhere to put their shows. It's not 2000 anymore. There are literally a million options for television or streaming right now.

AEW is running those small venues because they don't have a choice. Check out tickets for most tv shows the day of or during the week. They are trying to give tickets away to make tv shows and can't do it. I'm local to Pittsburgh and you could have got some deal I think was buy 2 get 1 free on tickets that were already severely reduced. It wasn't even $35 a ticket for a great seat in the middle 3 sections in the stands 8-20 rows up. Like I mentioned before you would have had to pay me to go now. In the past I went and paid probably $75-$120 a ticket to almost all those shows from 2019 to 2024. Those same tickets for a WWE Raw or Smackdown would be $100s of dollars in sold out 10k+ seat buildings. WrestlePalooza those seats were $600-$1000. For stadium shows those seats don't even exist because you're a mile away.

The ECW Arena looked like complete trash on AEW TV. Go watch an ECW show from like 1996 and it looks a million times better than that crap AEW did weeks ago.

The television contract is debatable because just like most of this stuff you read about AEW online there is no concrete proof. It's just speculation. With what Tony Khan is paying wrestlers though I'd argue even at $160-$180 per year for tv they are losing money. Hell, he's paying out tens of millions a year for people to not even show up! What do you think the combined contracts are of the AEW and ROH roster? I guarantee whatever number you think it's way higher. Danielson said something a few weeks ago about AEW pays out some ridiculous number of the total amount of money they bring in. Not the total profit. The money they bring in. Speaking of Danielson, he's still getting his full contract, several million dollars per year, to be a commentator. I doubt there is a single person in the top 12 highest paid in the company that if AEW closed down would even get paid half of what they are getting from AEW. Well maybe 1. Ospreay. That's only because I'm sure he's under $5 million per year. His next contract Tony will probably double his salary. How people like Moxley, The Young Bucks, Jericho, Okada, and Mercedes have conned this guy into paying them more than almost any wrestler in history is hysterical. They could all leave tomorrow and it wouldn't affect AEW's business 1 cent.

They lose money on virtually every tv taping. Between weekly salaries, renting buildings, all around transportation, hotels, food, building workers, etc almost every tv show they lose money.

The buyrates are also just take their word for it. Although I wouldn't doubt most are over 100k. The one thing AEW does have is a very small fanbase that will pay for literally anything. It could be the worst card in history they will pay $50 for it. It's also 1 reason why some tv tapings may not be huge losers. Most tv tapings they probably get 150-200 people to pay more than the rest of the attendance combined pays.

Jesus man....why do you hate watch?? Lol

Both these posts are soooooo long and negative...

But I like how you started with...I'm in the small minority that still watches...BUT it's totally unwatchable

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by cdub6238

Jesus man....why do you hate watch?? Lol

Both these posts are soooooo long and negative...

But I like how you started with...I'm in the small minority that still watches...BUT it's totally unwatchable

Did you read anything I wrote? I watch because I love wrestling and want AEW to get back to how it used to be. I've loved wrestling for 30 years. I watch because I was at some of the best shows and matches in AEW history. I watch because there are still people on the roster I like. Because I have so little faith in Mr. everything is great, this is our best show ever, every match was great, etc I'd be better off if the people I want to watch all left. If MJF, Darby, Ospreay, Swerve, Mercedes, Statlander, Takeshita, Andrade and maybe a couple others all left I could stop watching. I don't care what the company name is. I pay to see the wrestlers I like and matchups I want to see.

[Cracktoast]

So like every other big superstar except for Taker so far, Sting just couldn't stay away. He looks like a disheveled old homeless man. lol

[jmarascojr]

Originally Posted by Cracktoast

So like every other big superstar except for Taker so far, Sting just couldn't stay away. He looks like a disheveled old homeless man. lol

How were Sting's actions last night any different than what Taker did to The Rock a couple years ago at WM?

[cdub6238]

Originally Posted by jmarascojr

How were Sting's actions last night any different than what Taker did to The Rock a couple years ago at WM?

Or better yet...this past July when he chokeslammed Trick Williams on NXT

[packman80]

Saw someone say this was a super long PPV again like 5 hours? I know people say WWE is to long and should have more then 5 matches but you can't have a 5 hour PPV either many of those matches you could put on TV as they are not worthy of a PPV.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by jmarascojr

How were Sting's actions last night any different than what Taker did to The Rock a couple years ago at WM?

It took Darby getting destroyed for 20+ minutes, getting beat up 6 on 1, attempted drowning, etc, for Sting to finally come out. Darby was 0-5 against Moxley. Got the world title match that would have been all time great Darby vs Danielson taken away so we could see Danielson's career end in his worst match in AEW. Moxley basically killed Darby's career for a full year. Literally killed Darby for 23 minutes of a 26 minute match. Darby hits a couple moves and Moxley immediately taps to a Scorpion Death Lock. In less than 4 seconds. When Moxley basically didn't have a scratch on him and was on offense 90-95% of the match. I know at least in AEW Moxley has never tapped or given up that quickly in any match. What a horrible match and all time terrible ending. The only ending that would have been worse is if Moxley actually won. But all that for Darby to finally get a win and it is worthless. I have no idea how anyone can think Jon Moxley is a good wrestler.

[Jaypers]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

It took Darby getting destroyed for 20+ minutes, getting beat up 6 on 1, attempted drowning, etc, for Sting to finally come out. Darby was 0-5 against Moxley. Got the world title match that would have been all time great Darby vs Danielson taken away so we could see Danielson's career end in his worst match in AEW. Moxley basically killed Darby's career for a full year. Literally killed Darby for 23 minutes of a 26 minute match. Darby hits a couple moves and Moxley immediately taps to a Scorpion Death Lock. In less than 4 seconds. When Moxley basically didn't have a scratch on him and was on offense 90-95% of the match. I know at least in AEW Moxley has never tapped or given up that quickly in any match. What a horrible match and all time terrible ending. The only ending that would have been worse is if Moxley actually won. But all that for Darby to finally get a win and it is worthless. I have no idea how anyone can think Jon Moxley is a good wrestler.

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